Super Smash Bros.

Actually, going with that multiple Final Smash idea, what could some of those be for the fighters?

Well, the first thing that came to my mind was bringing back Lucario's Final Smash Aura Storm from Brawl. Especially since people seem to like that one a lot better than the one he has now despite being his Mega Evolution. Heck, everyone could regain their previous Final Smashes that way. (Like Dedede, Kirby, Luigi....)

I could also see Z-moves being given to all the Pokémon, as well.

edited 9th Dec '16 8:19:33 PM by kablammin45

Bowser could have a Meowser Final Smash. Faster and smaller than Giga Bowser, with claw attacks.

I'd change Jigglypuff's Final Smash into a Moonblast.

You don't have to change it, that's why there are 3 additional FS...

I just don't think Puff Up makes very much sense for Jigglypuff to have, since puffing up seems to be Wigglytuff's forte.

Mega Lucario kinda sucks.

In fact, I think it's worse than Giga Bowser.

Mega Lucario should get a speed boost.

It makes sense in a different sense...and not 100% accuracy gonna stop Pokémon-mans getting moves they don't technically get.

Well, Mario's side-L could be the Mario Finale (maybe rename it Ultra Flame, since Square and Nintendo are friends again that's basically what it is) and his neutral-L could be Rainbow Mario. He gets speed and jump boosts, he has that spinning animation when he jumps, and he deals Collision Damage. So, basically, the invincibility star power-up as it actually works in Mario's games.

I have no idea what his other two Final Smashes could be, though.

How to fix Lucario's Final Smash; give the damn 'mon an "X-Speed" item.

For alt Final Smashes, they could be Aura Storm, a Z-Move and something else that also leave Lucario Mega Evolved afterwards, but for a shorter duration.

I'm not sure what Captain Falcon could do for alt Final Smashes. Well, we all know that one moment that would be too perfect to pass up...

Surely, one of Donkey Kong's finals should be punching the moon into the stage, right? And one of Link's finals should be Fierce Deity Link (an amped-up transformation a la Mega Lucario that can shoot sword beams).

Speaking of Link, I posit that Toon Link should be at least partially de-cloned. His up-B should be the Deku Leaf and his side-B should be the Skull Hammer or Hurricane Spin (think the Ice Climbers' Squall Hammer, except much stronger). I also think he should incorporate the grappling hook, since that's the premiere item of Wind Waker, but I can't think of a good way to do it.

ALSO: one of his finals should be summoning the Spirit Train. Or the Demon Train, if the Spirit Train stage comes back. It'd be like Captain Falcon's final, but 100% more train-tastic.

edited 10th Dec '16 4:13:02 PM by ThriceCharming

When it comes to Luigifying Toon Link, I'd be fine with replacing the Side-B and/or Up-B with the Deku Leaf and his Final Smash with the Ballad of Gales. Summon a big pillar of a cyclone around himself. It'd be a neat vertically-oriented FS compared to all the horizontal "beam" FS'es.

The Deku Leaf has gotta be his up-B, though, so the Hurricane Spin can be his side-B. I think Jigglypuff's Rollout is a better analogue for how I think the Hurricane Spin should work, since it's an attack you charge and release, sacrificing control for raw power, just like in Wind Waker.

I guess that leaves down-B for the Skull Hammer, which could be a "burying" attack like Donkey Kong's headbutt or Wii Fit Trainer's standard combo. But can we do that? Can we have a Link that doesn't throw bombs? Doesn't feel right.

The Ballad of Gales is also a really good idea for a Final Smash. I'd make that his up-L, so the Spirit/Demon Train can be his side-L (yes, I am still attached to this idea, thank you!).

edited 10th Dec '16 10:09:57 PM by ThriceCharming

The thing about the Deku Leaf is that its projectile attack could make for a really interesting move, so it'd be kinda disappointing to relegate it to just his Up-B.

And what is Yoshi's Up B? I see nothing wrong with it being both a projectile and a recovery move if it is possible.

Also, yes Yoshi's Up B does actually aid in recovering.

edited 11th Dec '16 3:43:36 AM by IceAnt573

Make it the projectile on the ground, make it the glider in the air, simple.

That's true. Maybe it could be a dual move? If you use it on the ground, you "shoot" air, and if you use it in the air, it's a recovery move that deals no damage? That'd be pretty neat. Items do have multiple uses in Wind Waker, after all.

(EDIT: 'd)

Also, nobody asked for this, but here are some specials and Final Smashes for Paper Mario:

• neutral-B: Bomb (feat. Admiral Bobbery)
• side-B: Shell Toss (feat. Kooper)
• up-B: Air Lift (feat. Parakarry)
• down-B: Veil (feat. Vivian)

• neutral-L: Art Attack
• side-L: Goat
• up-L: Star Beam
• down-L: Black Bowser's Castle

edited 10th Dec '16 10:26:37 PM by ThriceCharming

What's that last Final Smash?

This. (I don't know how to embed You Tube videos on TV Tropes. Sorry.)

It's the Infinity+1 Card of Color Splash, so maybe don't click on it if you don't want to be spoiled.

it's [[youtube:(number thing at the end of the url)]

and you use two ]]'s at the end instead of one.

edited 10th Dec '16 11:45:28 PM by Daydre

So I have a problem. I don't know if any of you guys can help me with this, but I'm basically incapable of playing SSB 4, especially online, until this can be fixed:

Whenever I try playing on certain stages, like Boxing Ring, the music doesn't load (the background noise does) and the game freezes with a "game disc could not be read" error. The disc is clean. 100%. I checked it and there wasn't even a scratch on it. It hasn't even been out of the Wii U since between the last time it worked, which was a couple of days ago. I can get the message to go away by taking the disc out and putting it back in, but it just pops up again three seconds later. Does anyone know what could be wrong? Is it a hardware issue that will cost an obscene amount of money to fix? (Realistically speaking, it probably is, but there's always the hope...)

edited 12th Dec '16 12:24:30 PM by Midna

I've had the occasional Disc Read Error, but it is rare on my end.

I had the same problem on my first Wii where it wasn't reading anything. It's only good for the Virtual Console now.

And cleaning it fixes it for me.

After taking the disc out, it seems there's a little scratch on it towards the center. That's probably the issue. Don't know how it got there, because it hasn't even been out of the Wii U console for a couple of weeks, but there you go.

Certainly not about to risk the integrity of the disc by trying any folk remedies, so it looks like we're gonna have to replace this old dog. At least I'll still have the saved data.

That should only cost you about $50 max.