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No 40K thread yet? I'm surprised. Nay, shocked, shocked I say to discover there's gambling going on in this establishment...

I'm eagerly anticipating the imminent 5th Edition release, personally, but I was interested to know if anyone here plays and has a differing opinion on it. There are certainly plenty of people out there who seem to think that 40K 4th edition "only just" came out and that a new edition isn't needed. Anyone?


Warhammer Fantasy (including Age of Sigmar and WFRP) has its own thread here.

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:37:34 PM

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#21726: Aug 15th 2015 at 7:52:35 PM

In theory, provided said human can withstand similar things to make them similarly resistant to corruption as many Space Marines. In practice, most likely not as psionics in 40k are a crapshoot at best.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#21727: Aug 15th 2015 at 7:52:59 PM

Point. Maybe some relatively minor temple?

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#21728: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:16:19 PM

Just painted one of my Tempestus Scions, using the same camo scheme as the rest of my army and... I dunno. I'm not 100% digging it. Trying to decide to paint another one in a different scheme to make a decision.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#21729: Aug 15th 2015 at 11:30:25 PM

[up][up]just a vindicare with inquisitorial fixing

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Rosvo1 Since: Aug, 2009
#21731: Aug 16th 2015 at 9:18:11 AM

tfw you accidentally reveal that you're an assassin to a guardsman

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#21732: Aug 16th 2015 at 6:56:25 PM

Picked up a Vindicator, three Scout packs (2 regular, 1 w/sniper rifles), two Terminator Librarians, and a palette pad at GW on Saturday. The lady that runs the store is a hoot, very passionate about the game(s). We got to talking models and she almost literally squeed over the Warlord Titan.

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#21733: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:04:57 PM

The Warlord model is indeed, to use urban parlance, "hella bitchin'", but even if I had the coin to drop on it, I'd rather build my own.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#21734: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:18:58 PM

Ugh, Forge World came out with an Eidolon model. Blech.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#21735: Aug 16th 2015 at 7:56:12 PM

[up]What's so awful about that?

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#21736: Aug 16th 2015 at 8:15:57 PM

[up]that in a legion of bloody pricks(the emperor children) Eidolon stand above all, he is really unpleasent

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CountDorku Since: Jan, 2001
#21738: Aug 16th 2015 at 8:51:38 PM

I don't like Eidolon, but he doesn't inspire in me the kind of hatred that, for example, Erebus does, and there's been an Erebus model for ages.

(I actually punched the air at the end of Fear to Tread when Horus peels off Erebus's face.)

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#21739: Aug 16th 2015 at 8:58:08 PM

I don't like how ornate the FW Warlord titan is. To me, leave the ornate crap to the Imperator; the Warlord always struck me as the utilitarian titan.

disruptorfe404 Since: Sep, 2011
#21740: Aug 16th 2015 at 9:22:25 PM

If it's any consolation, it looks like Eidolon wears a Cape while jump packing...

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#21741: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:30:12 AM

Would it be plausible if in the middle of a Tyranid invasion on an Imperial world, the Hive Mind noticed an unusually potent psyker among the human population/forces, and determined that the potency of his/her psychic power was sufficiently high enough to merit capturing this psyker alive and work on transforming him/her into a new unique Tyranid creature akin to the Swarmlord, a la Sarah Kerrigan from Starcraft?

edited 17th Aug '15 1:30:37 AM by MarqFJA

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#21742: Aug 17th 2015 at 4:37:43 AM

Why transform him? Kill him. Eat him. integrate his dna in the hive and make new species and pump out literal armies of him. It's how the 'nids are implied to have created the Praetorians (From Space Marines) and Zoanthrope (Eldar).

Heck, Zoanthropes are made from Eldar DNA, who are even better psykers and are so OP that their literally blow their own brains out from sheer psychic power. Why would the Hive fleet care about a measly human psyker compare to that? And those Zoanthropes aren't hindered by the Shadow in the Warp the way a human psyker is.

Plus as seen with Genestealer reproduction and infiltration, the Hive mind can make psykers who are human-ish in appearance. There's really no reason it'd go around collecting human psykers and "converting" them.

edited 17th Aug '15 4:43:43 AM by CobraPrime

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#21743: Aug 17th 2015 at 5:01:54 AM

Psychic Powers in the WH40K-verse are not always tied to one's DNA; what matters the most is one's soul/mind. Hell, even the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Inquisition haven't been able to isolate the long-fabled "psyker gene", assuming it even exists.

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21744: Aug 17th 2015 at 6:08:48 AM

I'm not sure if the Hive Mind would understand that or not, though.

EDIT: On the other hand, the Hive Mind already has a lot of ways to subvert/dominate individuals in its path. Why not give them a try?

edited 17th Aug '15 6:11:13 AM by Durazno

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#21745: Aug 17th 2015 at 6:16:59 AM

Hell, even the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Inquisition haven't been able to isolate the long-fabled "psyker gene", assuming it even exists.

...In all fairness those two organizations aren't exactly holding the bar very high here. Especially when one of them's claim to fame is "losing knowledge" and "forgetting how to do things" And seeing as all Tyranids synapse creatures are psykers, and that some breeds of 'nids are dedicated psykers and engineered as such, I'd say soul or not, the 'nids have the whole psyker thing better figured out than most species (In fact, I'd argue no one knows biology in general better than the hive mind), so I tend to concur they'd have no reason to rip off Starcraft the way it ripped them off :-P

EDIT: On the other hand, the Hive Mind already has a lot of ways to subvert/dominate individuals in its path. Why not give them a try?

True, but those tend to be for a specific role, and even then, that role is mostly "Fuck like rabbits and make the hive mind some proper minions".

Really, the question becomes: What could a psyker do that the hive mind CANT already do, and can't figure out to do by engineering another species. Since the 'nids are driven by purpose. A single-minded purpose. Why would it want an alien psyker? One that can be killed, and if it's not a tyranid, can't be reincarnated the way the Swarmlord or other unique 'nids can? (Therefore going agains't the entire military doctrine of the Tyranid).

edited 17th Aug '15 6:22:51 AM by Ghilz

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#21746: Aug 17th 2015 at 6:24:42 AM

Kerrigan would be a best a good genegleaster cult leader but that it, the hive mind move every diferent that other big players

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#21747: Aug 17th 2015 at 8:57:13 AM

On the other hand, the Hive Mind already has a lot of ways to subvert/dominate individuals in its path. Why not give them a try?
Any examples that don't involve the Genestealers?

What could a psyker do that the hive mind CANT already do and can't figure out to do by engineering another species.
I have yet to see any evidence that the Tyranids possess a psychic creature with enough power to rival the vaunted Alpha Plus human psykers, who pack world-destroying power without even taking the threat of Demonic Possession into account. Not even the Swarmlord has exhibited such power.

Since the 'nids are driven by purpose. A single-minded purpose. Why would it want an alien psyker?
See above, and take into account that the Tyranids have used unique specimens in the past as testbeds for new traits, at least some of which have lead to mass-produced versions of those traits being passed on (e.g. the universal Healing Factor of the modern incarnation of Tyranids was passed on from Old One Eye).

One that can be killed, and if it's not a tyranid, can't be reincarnated the way the Swarmlord or other unique 'nids can? (Therefore going agains't the entire military doctrine of the Tyranid).
... Did you gloss over the part where the psyker is transformed into a Tyranid creature?

edited 17th Aug '15 8:57:47 AM by MarqFJA

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#21748: Aug 17th 2015 at 5:47:57 PM

I have yet to see any evidence that the Tyranids possess a psychic creature with enough power to rival the vaunted Alpha Plus human psykers, who pack world-destroying power without even taking the threat of Demonic Possession into account. Not even the Swarmlord has exhibited such power.

...Why would Tyranids want to destroy a world? hy would the hive mind create a creature that CAN destroy a world? That's a loss of resources to consume. Again, it's not about power levels, it's about purpose. Why would they need such a psyker? "Coz it's powerful" isn't a reason. What can it do that they need it to do and can't do themselves?

Besides. "I have yet to see it" well no shit. The hive fleets we currently know are scouts. Who sends their best troops to scout ahead?

Heck, it's said Tyranid psykers draw their power FROM the hive mind. It's likely that given enough Tyranids around - or with the arrival of the main body of the Tyranid fleet, the hive mind can exert power that dwarf an alpha plus human. But they don't because they don't need to. Why would they? Why would the Tyranid care? Save a few million Tyranids by doing so? What's the point? Those that die are re-consummed. Kill billions in a single move? Those billions can just be killed and consummed by Tyranids. Blow up a planet? A waste.

edited 17th Aug '15 5:54:42 PM by Ghilz

Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#21749: Aug 17th 2015 at 6:17:42 PM

The only thing I can think of is that the Hive Mind might want a way to blow up worlds that are so built-up and fortified that it wouldn't be able to make the biomass back if it committed to taking it the old-fashioned way. If there were a barren, lifeless world with manufactories full of robots supplying munitions to the whole sector and, like, seven techpriests overseeing the whole thing, sure, Deep Impact it. (I know there are examples of the Tyranids taking forge worlds in canon, but suppose it decided that this was a waste?)

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#21750: Aug 17th 2015 at 6:23:33 PM

Why would it though? Sure, forge worlds aren't rich in organic matter, but the hive fleet doesn't only consume organic matter. It also consumes minerals which a forge world would have in spades. Plus, if it "really" wanted to destroy a planet,t they can do it considering the way Narwhals (Causing huge disasters by harnessing a planet's gravity) work or they could easily just fling a rock at it.

Or heck, keep it blockaded (which the shadow in the warp does) and let them starve themselves out.

In the end destroying a planet is no great feat for any species capable of intergalactic travel. The Hive fleet doesn't need a super Psyker for that.

And that's still assuming the Hive fleet would destroy a planet, as opposed to leaving and coming back later with more strengths. Since the Tyranids can recover faster than any other race from loses.

Plus a world like you describe with only 7 tech priest on it... why would the Hive Fleet go there? They are attracted by Genestealer counts, and worlds teeming with life. Such a deserted world wouldn't appeal to Tyranids, and odds are they'd know it sucks the moment they dropped Lictors in, and would just pass the place.

edited 17th Aug '15 6:29:46 PM by Ghilz


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