YMMV: The Infinite Loops

Common to all Loop series:

  • Angst? What Angst?: A lot of loopers manage to get over their baseline problems rather quickly once the loops start. Either because they eventually become powerful enough to easily deal with what was causing problems, or received help from outside loopers. However, it should be noted that this is a bit of a Broken Base amoung loop writers. Some feel it waste good Character Development potential, which is why a few good out of their way to Avert this trope, while others feel it gets in the way of comedy potential, which is why it's frequently Played Straight.
  • Archive Panic: That list of loops on the main page is taller than most browser windows.
    • Taking all loops listed as compiled on the main page, the total number of words written and compiled by all writers is, as of 2-21-15: 3,404,343.
    • Saphroneth's original fanfic, the MLP Loops, currently leads with 1,389,218 words total, over one third the total length.
      • As of 8-17-15: The MLP Loops now have 1,564,049 words total.
    • Heck, the tropes page got so huge it had to be broken up.
  • Broken Base:
    • Naturally, how powerful certain characters are in regards to other characters, although arguably even worse in the loop setting due to how crazy powerful all the characters become eventually. Even when characters are powered down thanks to certain loops, there's still a hefty amount of debate over whether the characters could still easily handle it due to being Genre Savvy and such.
    • There's also the overuse of certain settings in the loops and plotlines common to the loops and settings. An example being Equestria being the dedicated 'heal all problems' loop for nearly all the loopers. Some think it's good because they're use to it by this point, and the most experienced with it. Others don't like it because the 'healing a loopers personal problems from their baseline' plot has been over done to the point of cliché for some, and others feel it wastes good character development potential for the characters of said loop because they couldn't over come it without outside help, and it often only takes one loop for the Equestria loopers to pull it off.
    • Exactly how the mechanics of characters 'Awaking' for the first time in the loops work is a subject many authors of the loops can't seem to agree upon. The only thing set in stone is that they have to be important to the anchor in someway to start looping. Ask any of the authors about specifics though, and one will likely tell you only characters from baseline can loop, while another will say characters that originate from variants can loop, while others will say variant originated characters can only loop if soul bounded to the anchor, while others say they have to be soul bounded to an artifact that they can stuff in their subspace pocket to survive the loop transition, while others say that's impossible because subspace pockets can't hold sentient creatures, even if they're in a non-sentient object like a Pokeball... And then there are people who say pretty much the only qualification is how popular they are with the readers, and if people / the authors care about them enough to do so.
    • Darker and / or serious related snips / loops. Especially if your trying to submit it to a more light hearted loops adaption. No matter how well written it is, it will get people arguing about whether it should go up or not because of it being dark, or if the darkness is really necessary. While more serious adaptions or adaptions of works set in a dark universe generally don't mind it, it's not unheard of to hear people arguing about this kind of thing there too, especially if they consider it dark even by their standards.
    • What is canon? That can get nasty real fast.
      • To expand on it, this is typically only relegated to Innortal's Loops, which have their own problems, but there's one other point that gets nasty. Namely, certain people think that if they get a few likes, then a snip is canon, while others say that anything not in a compilation on FF.net is not canon, yet or otherwise. Considering the rate at which some compilations update, this can be a source of frustration.
    • People editing the TV Tropes page to update about their own loops / snips. It's divided between the authors who just like editing TV Tropes and what they've written stays fresh in their heads, authors who primarily edit for their own loops and don't see what the problem is, people who don't edit at all because they either can't or won't, and people who feel like other people who don't write for the loop should be the ones to do it because of such things as notability. note 
  • Base Breaker:
    • What's the best way to take an axe to the fandom? Suggest a villain as a looper.
    • Even "better"? Suggest that they should remain villainous while looping. Really, suggesting any new MLEs outside of the establish ones will cause a major stir. Even if they're about as competent as Team Rocket, it will result in Torches and Pitchforks from both supportors and detractors.
    • Even even "better"? Have a non-looping character prove to be a regular challenge for most loopers. Doing so will not only get you the arguments above, but also arguments over whether the non-looping character even can reasonably present a challenge to any given looper.
    • Innortal's original loops. Did they have genuine funny moments, or were they mostly perverted teenager Wish Fulfillment? Were some of the original sevens actions in them justified, or were they just horribly written? Should they be respected for creating the loops in the first place or, even though they did, that doesn't excuse how badly written they were? This isn't even getting into about what and which of his loops, outside of the original seven being the first batch of loopers, is and/or should be treated as canon...
  • Creator's Pet:
    • Some have called the Jojo Loopers as this.
    • In fact, it's possible that the entire setting has reached this level, with some of the writers for it insisting that the only thing that can hurt Stands in the entire multiverse are things that one must get from the Jojoverse, meaning that anybody who doesn't learn such tricks are going to have trouble regardless of how powerful they are.
    • Pops up somewhat frequently with a number of authors whom have favorite characters or settings.
  • Fandom Berserk Button:
    • While pairing characters with each other who aren't in a canon relationship isn't frowned upon, going into explicit detail about their more intimate moments sure is, and is considered the gateway to Jumping the Shark, partially due to the... ahem, style of Innortal's original loops. That said, there's nothing outright stopping people from writing "Innortal style", though it's not a particularly wise thing to do, and plenty of people who frown upon Innortal style often imply that 'certain actions' do happen with characters who genuinely care about each other in that way.
    • Various authors have them, which are the quickest way for snips to be declared non-canon if the author runs a thread. This included Darker and Edgier snips on the Pokemon thread, poorly proposed ideas in general, Wildrook's non sequiturs in some cases, and Sunset Shimmer on the Star wars thread. Mentioning Steven Universe in the Cartoon Network thread is also becoming a button.
    • Villain Loopers. Even though there's a small group who think such a concept could have good potential, a larger part of the loops community grabs their Torches and Pitchforks upon someone bringing it up, regardless of their reasonings.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • Naruto Loops:
    • Even in the original Innortal loops, Naruto and Kurama manage to become friends as time goes on. Fast forward to the later arcs in the Manga, where they actually do manage to become something resembling friends. (Albeit, Kurama is a bit of a Tsundere about it...)
    • MLP loops:
    • The first time that Discord and Berry talked she said she not even will consider date him, sixty or so chapters later they are.
    • An early chapter has the cast re-enacting the defeat of G1 Tirek. Flash-forward several dozen Loops, and the Running Gag about Tirek totalling Twilight's library on a constant basis.... And that's not to say anything of the mane cast actually fighting (an updated) Tirek in the actual show later on. (The snip was made long before the season four finale was even a thing!)
    • Looping Sunset's personality is nearly identical to how she acts in Rainbow Rocks, making this Heartwarming in Hindsight as well.
      • To clarify: Sunset was activated as a Looper prior to the reveal that Rainbow Rocks even existed. All of her Character Development in the Loops was made without that in mind.
  • Invincible Hero: A major common complaint about most loops is how the characters become so powerful that literally nothing is a serious threat to them anymore, and they can't properly grow because of it. Some writers try to deal with this by either giving them Power Limiters or have them awaken in loops that seal their subspace pockets and depower them down to how they were in baseline, while others still also solve this by giving the characters logical limitations.
  • Memetic Mutation: Given how long the loops have been going on, they have quite a few.
    • ''X'? Why are we 'Y'?' Is a common gag started in the FiM loops where the characters laconically discuss the bizarre and sometime surreal variants they wind up in, like the original gag where Twi and Rarity looped in as cuttlefish.
  • Uncanny Valley: Some Loopers regard nonloopers as disturbingly static versions of their friends and family.


Innortal's Loops:

  • Author Appeal: Given what transpires in the loops he wrote, plus his other fanfiction, it's pretty obvious that Innortal likes the Unwanted Harem, Girl-on-Girl Is Hot, and Everyone Has Lots of Sex tropes, dislikes yaoi, and has... questionable views of Double Standard: Rape, Female on Male.
  • Creator's Pet: Probably Ranma, given that he generally comes out on top during Looper vs Looper battles, tends to be the most knowledgeable when it comes to Fused Loops, due to having adventures in those universes offscreen, and is able to defeat things ranging from Darkseid (possible with enough power, but still improbable) to The Gate Of Truth (downright impossible unless the user admits they were wrong to play god, which Ranma most certainly didn't). This is not a good thing for him, as it means he is subject to most of what's under Author Appeal.
  • Crossing the Line Twice: While there are debates over whether or not Innortal's loops are good or not, there are few who will admit that there are quite a few moments that manage to be so horrifying and insane that it becomes hilarious; an example being after a few loops where Harry gets fed up with Draco, he decides to retaliate by handing him a live hand grenade, much to Hermione's horror.
  • First Installment Wins: Very much averted. Despite Innortal's loops kicking off the loops as a whole, at best, his loops are a Base Breaker, with many being very eager to point out the many flaws they have whenever possible. Some of the key things include; complete Out Of Character Moments from nearly every character, shoehorned lemons, and the characters at best having very screwy moral compasses.
  • Nightmare Fuel: Implications of the premise aside, the loopers themselves manage to be this as well. They've become so powerful, and yet so bored. So they think of creative ways to pass the time. However, the Time Abyss has resulted in them loosing most of their morals and misgivings. They are no longer the characters we know and love; they are half-insane, unkillable, unpunishable hedonists with severe PTSD.
    • In general, the male loopers prank each other or people who've annoyed them in ways that would be considered dangerous at best, deadly at worst. The female loopers frequently rape or gang rape the male loopers and non looping characters. And nobody ever stops them, because nobody can.
    • These factors tend to be what is brought up the most in the debates between what is and is not canon in the Innortal loops.
  • Revenge Fic: You can tell which characters Innortal doesn't like as well. How much he doesn't like them ranges from indifference (Sai, Tuxedo Kamen), to character bashing (Dumbledore and the Order of the Phoenix, Kakashi), or being brought into the loops either to be repeatedly outclassed and / or humiliated (Akane, Asuka), or derailed into something horrible (Sakura).


The MLP Loops:

  • Crack Pairing: Berry Punch and Discord eventually started dating. Also an ironic development, given that she originally turned him down (while they were both Awake) in loop 44.9.
    • Trixie and Chrysalis, as well, given the two characters have never met in the show.
  • Heartwarming in Hindsight: In chapter 8, Twilight Sparkle expresses the opinion that Diamond Tiara will only ever be a bad example. Many Loops later, Diamond starts Looping, proving Twilight wrong in all the best ways.
  • Mary Suetopia: Has gotten some accusations of this in the past, ironically, given the franchise's history with, and smashing this, trope once FiM rolled around. While all the loopers eventually gain enough powers to short circuit the plots of their respective branches, the FiM loopers have ended up standing out thanks to their ability to seemingly circumvent any problems they come a crossed, be it from their branch, another loopers branch, or a loopers personal problems themselves. It got to the point where the FiM loops became a hot button topic in the loops community, and a lot of the later writers are doing their best to avert by having them face problems they can't solves or deal with... Much to the chargen of those who dislike conflict in the FiM loops.
  • More Popular Spin Off: To Innortal's original loops, and pretty much codified the loops as a whole.
  • My Real Daddy: Some consider Saphroneth to be this to the loops format.
    • It got to the point where Twilight was going to name a world she made after him, but he cut that out due to embarrassment. And fourth wall breakage.
  • Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped: Chapter 149 recaps an incident where, in spite of the ponies best efforts, they couldn't save a Looper. When Naoki Kashima/The Demi-Fiend snapped and was possessed by his Shadow Archetype, and went on a mindless and destructive rampage. The ponies tried to help him and bring him back to his senses with the Elements of Harmony...but they failed, due to the problem being too deep seated and closely connected to Naoki to be subdued or dealt with so easily. Some problems can't be solved in the span of a single Loop, or by using the Power of Friendship.However, once Naoki came to his senses many Loops later, he remembered how they and other Loopers like them never gave up and took the easy way out by killing him in his berserk state, and fought to bring him to his senses instead to help him. In spite of all the horrors, betrayals, and darkness of his Loop, the fact that the ponies never gave up in trying to help reminded him that there are some worlds worth fighting for. Ultimately, the message is this: sometimes, you can't solve every problem you come across...but it's always worth to try. Even if you can't fix it, you can make it even the smallest bit better.
  • What an Idiot: A non-looping Blueblood attempted a palace coup against an united front of Celestia, Luna, Discord, Cadance, Chrysalis, Sombra, Princess Twilight, Shining Armor (ascended to Alicorn), and Spike (as an advanced great wyrm Emperor of the Dragons). Would have been Too Dumb to Live, except he survives because they don't think he's worth the minimal effort to curb-stomp.
    Twilight Sparkle (literally ROFL): You just tried to assassinate eight deities and a Greater Dragon!
    Blueblood (armed only with a knife): Errr... parlay?
  • The Woobie: Chrysalis, once she becomes a Looper. Her first loop was "Slavequestria", where she and a non-Awake Shining Armor were Happily Married and helping runaways as part of La Résistance. Then the loop reset, and she was horrified to find that all the terrible things she did in canon were not All Just a Dream, as well as heartbroken that the Shining she had loved no longer exists, with the Awake Shining Happily Married to Cadence. She's left horribly depressed for many loops afterwards, and even though she's now in a steady relationship with Awake Trixie, it's clear she still misses her version of Shining.
  • They Wasted A Perfectly Good Ascension: Zecora ascended to become some kind of Zebra-Alicorn through the same event that Silver Spoon ascended to become an Draconequus. Not only did this completely deprive Zecora of her own personal awesome event to ascend with (instead of piggybacking it onto Silver Spoon's), Silver's very interesting and unique situation overshadowed Zecora's so much that there have been almost zero loops of her in her 'alicorn' form.


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  • Magnificent Bastard: Haseo seems to be shaping up into one of these, with the amount of time he has spent with Shiroe in Log Horizon Fused Loops. Most noticeably is that he used the things he learned from such experiences to gain enough influence in CC Corp to throw Sakaki out of the job he blackmailed them for without very much difficulty at all.


Mega Man Loops:

  • Complete Monster: Waltz. Dear God, Waltz. And what's worse, due to a loophole, she's Looping. She sees nothing wrong with murder and destruction, and at one point screams she wants to destroy everything, just because. And she's got all of Roll's skills.
  • Nightmare Fuel: The setup for the Megaman Loops. Their universes are so fractured and fragmented by whatever broke Yggdrasil (it's implied that the Megaverse was closest to 'ground zero', and was thus hit the hardest) that the first four loop attempts shown (over 25) broke down, with the last attempt to make Protoman an anchor collapsing in under 10 seconds. And as already shown by the My Little Pony loops, it gets worse before it gets better...
    • The Crash, and how it started. In a desperate attempt to save the badly damaged Mega Man Loop, the admin begins a merged loop. Things start off strangely enough, with no sign of the bad doctor, but all the robots being labelled "model-letter", leading to Models X and Z, implied to be X and Zero, who utterly destroy several Robot Masters before going down. Then Model V (Vile) shows up. Blues manages to help his brother and sister take him down, everything works out fine... and then Blues is knocked out, and when he wakes up, he, Rock, Roll and the Unknown Looper are tied up as part of a strange machine. Then something apparently possessing Doctor Wily shows up, announcing that it's going to use them to escape the Loops and become even more powerful. Worse, Blues has encountered this thing before (it killed him in one of his failed Loops, posing as Doctor Light), and realizes that whatever it is, it's not supposed to exist. Then it begins the procedure. Something goes wrong, and the machine zaps Wily. The last think that Blues can recall before everything breaks is reality itself screaming...


Warhammer 40000 Loops

  • Crosses the Line Twice: A lot of events involving Slaneesh or Nurgle will inevitably do this. Particularly putting AIDS in beverages.


Professor Layton Vs. Ace Attorney Loops:


Attack on Titan Loops:


Other Loops:

  • Base Breaker: Part of the reason the Skylanders branch ended up becoming read-only. In-Universe, it's because of the portal hopping gimmick, but out of it, it was because whenever the concept of it becoming it's own loop was brought up, there were both supporters, those who were neutral on the idea but were interested to see how it would go, and protestors towards the idea who flat out didn't want it looping arguing about it, even if it was so much as a passing mention that it's looping. Even when brought up that wouldn't be chronicled like the Classic and Legend Spyroverses were in the compilation, it did little to quell arguments. Eventually, it ended up becoming read-only, that way the characters could still be used if needed, without arguments over whether it was looping or not.
  • Complete Monster: Despite being only written in one Loop, Kid Miracleman shows he is this. He incinerates his secretary's face off with his eye beams for no other reason than to show he can to Edward and Alphonse. He promises with glee that he'll do the same to their wives, and laughs like a psychotic thirteen year old as he fights them. And when, surprisingly, he's beating the two Loopers down, he promises to do a genocide that would put Hitler to shame in joy. It's only because Ed tricked him into saying his magic word that he was stopped.
  • Nightmare Fuel:
    • The beginning of the (non-canon) Fire Emblem loops is this as well. Robin is the anchor, meaning that everything he remembers, Grima does too. Needless to say, Grima gets creative fast, Chrom and Lucina wake up to truly horrible loops, and Robin is trapped in his own mind for ages, watching his friends get tortured and killed over and over again. This setup ends after one chapter, thankfully.
      • However, this setup is followed by chapter 2, where attempts to stabilize the Fire Emblem loops repeatedly fail due to an unknown factor royally screwing everything up. The major contributor to the problem, Time Travel (ironically enough) is universally despised by every observer, who are doing their best to stop the Fire Emblem universe from looping. They are, unfortunately, Well Intentioned Extremists who will do what they think is necessary to achieve this goal...which means attempting to railroad and outright neuter as much of the random factor Robin brings into the equation. This comes to a head when it's discovered that Morgan, merely by existing, is the one responsible for the looping, and the higher-ups keep rewriting everything in order to ensure Morgan, as we know them, never comes to be, including manipulating Robin's code to the point that they set up an entirely new baseline where Robin is female and married to Chrom. Even the universe's administrators are disgusted by the "solution"note  Thankfully, thanks to Robin being a huge Determinator who firmly believes in Screw Destiny and one of the higher-ups acting as a Spanner in the Works, the universe begins to destabilize again, and are finally allowed to loop, thus beginning the Fire Emblem loops proper in Chapter 3.
    • Dio Brando's introduction snip in The Grand Battle of Pelennor. It's heavily implied that he fed all the members of Xcution to his zombie minions except Ginjo and Riruka, sexually assaulted her while her now mind-controlled leader and friend watched, began feeding on her blood, before throwing her body to a Zombie-fied Haku and Zabuza for them to devour. Made even worse when you realize that the Zombies now have a slavish devotion to Dio, so Haku and Zabuza can't really stop themselves from doing the horrible act.
    • The second Fused Mega Man / Sonic Loop, specifically the part where Sally and Sonic discuss Loops where they were roboticized, especially Sally's. Her friends start vanishing, one-by-one, replaced by insanely dangerous robot duplicates who remorselessly chase you everywhere, leaving her nowhere to run. And finally, Metal Sonic, the one behind all this, who has a truly disturbed attraction to her, captures Sally, and prepares to transfer her mind to a robot duplicate of her. He flips the switch... and the Loop ends. His machine outright killed Sally.
  • What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?: Averted. Apparently the loop that Anakin, as Darth Vader, held a 'The View' esc talk show was caused by his coolant being spiked with something while the Emperor was experimenting with 'dark mushrooms'
    • This being in universe, out of universe it hard to say if there are any loops written on drugs
      • Considering a few of the comments by various authors in the forums, it would seem a few were written on at least lack of sleep.