YMMV: The Infinite Loops
Common to all Loop series:
- Adaptational Heroism: Some characters that were villainous in the baseline has mellowed out since they have started Looping.
- Adaptational Villainy: Likewise, some characters that were heroic in the baseline have been broken by the Loops.
- Archive Panic: That list of loops on the main page is taller than most browser windows.
- Taking all loops listed as compiled on the main page, the total number of words written and compiled by all writers is, as of 2-21-15: 3,404,343.
- Saphroneth's original fanfic, the MLP Loops, currently leads with 1,389,218 words total, over one third the total length.
- Broken Base:
- Naturally, how powerful certain characters are in regards to other characters, although arguably even worse in the loop setting due to how crazy powerful all the characters become eventually. Even when characters are powered down thanks to certain loops, there's still a heafty amount of debate over whether the characters could still easily handle it due to being Genre Savvy and such.
- There's also the overuse of certain settings in the loops and plotlines common to the loops and settings. An example being Equestria being the dedicated 'heal all problems' loop for nearly all the loopers. Some think it's good because they're use to it by this point, and the most experienced with it. Others don't like it because the 'healing a loopers personal problems from their baseline' plot has been over done to the point of cliché for some, and others feel it wastes good character development potential for the characters of said loop because they couldn't over come it without outside help, and it often only takes one loop for the Equestria loopers to pull it off.
- Exactly how the mechanics of characters 'Awaking' for the first time in the loops work is a subject many authors of the loops can't seem to agree upon. The only thing set in stone is that they have to be important to the anchor in someway to start looping. Ask any of the authors about specifics though, and one will likely tell you only characters from baseline can loop, while another will say characters that originate from variants can loop, while others will say variant originated characters can only loop if soul bounded to the anchor, while others say they have to be soul bounded to an artifact that they can stuff in their subspace pocket to survive the loop transition, while others say that's impossible because subspace pockets can't hold sentient creatures, even if they're in a non-sentient object like a Pokeball... And then there are people who say pretty much the only qualification is how popular they are with the readers, and if people / the authors care about them enough to do so.
- Darker and / or serious related snips / loops. Especially if your trying to submit it to a more light hearted loops adaption. No matter how well written it is, it will get people arguing about whether it should go up or not because of it being dark, or if the darkness is really necessary. While more serious adaptions or adaptions of works set in a dark universe generally don't mind it, it's not unheard of to hear people arguing about this kind of thing there too, especially if they consider it dark even by their standards.
- Base Breaker:
- What's the best way to take an axe to the fandom? Suggest a villain as a looper.
- Even "better"? Suggest that they should remain villainous while looping. Really, suggesting any new MLEs outside of the establish ones will cause a major stir. Even if they're about as competent as Team Rocket, it will result in Torches and Pitchforks from both supportors and detractors.
- Innortal's original loops. Did they have genuine funny moments, or were they mostly perverted teenager Wish Fulfillment? Were some of the original sevens actions in them justified, or were they just horribly written? Should they be respected for creating the loops in the first place or, even though they did, that doesn't excuse how badly written they were? This isn't even getting into about what and which of his loops, outside of the original seven being the first batch of loopers, is and/or should be treated as canon...
- Creator's Pet:
- Some have called the Jojo Loopers as this.
- In fact, it's possible that the entire setting has reached this level, with some of the writers for it insisting that the only thing that can hurt Stands in the entire multiverse are things that one must get from the Jojoverse, meaning that anybody who doesn't learn such tricks are going to have trouble regardless of how powerful they are.
- Pops up somewhat frequently with a number of authors whom have favorite characters or settings.
- Fandom Berserk Button: While pairing characters with each other who aren't in a canon relationship isn't frowned upon, going into explicit detail about their more intimate moments sure is, and is considered the gateway to Jumping the Shark, partially due to the... ahem, style of Innortal's original loops. That said, there's nothing outright stopping people from writing "Innortal style", though it's not a particularly wise thing to do, and plenty of people who frown upon Innortal style often imply that 'certain actions' do happen with characters who genuinely care about each other in that way.
- Hilarious in Hindsight:
- Naruto Loops:
- Even in the original Innortal loops, Naruto and Kurama manage to become friends as time goes on. Fast forward to the later arcs in the Manga, where they actually do manage to become something resembling friends. (Albeit, Kurama is a bit of a Tsundere about it...)
- MLP loops:
- The first time that Discord and Berry talked she said she not even will consider date him, sixty or so chapters later they are.
- An early chapter has the cast re-enacting the defeat of G1 Tirek. Flash-forward several dozen Loops, and the Running Gag about Tirek totalling Twilight's library on a constant basis.... And that's not to say anything of the mane cast actually fighting (an updated) Tirek in the actual show later on. (The snip was made long before the season four finale was even a thing!)
- Looping Sunset's personality is nearly identical to how she acts in Rainbow Rocks, making this Heartwarming In Hindsight as well.
- To clarify: Sunset was activated as a Looper prior to the reveal that Rainbow Rocks even existed. All of her Character Development in the Loops was made without that in mind.
- Invincible Hero: A major common complaint about most loops is how the characters become so powerful that literally nothing is a serious threat to them anymore, and they can't properly grow because of it. Some writers try to deal with this by either giving them Power Limiters or have them awaken in loops that seal their subspace pockets and depower them down to how they were in baseline, while others still also solve this by giving the characters logical limitations.
- Memetic Mutation: Given how long the loops have been going on, they have quite a few.
- ''X'? Why are we 'Y'?' Is a common gag started in the FiM loops where the characters laconically discuss the bizarre and sometime surreal variants they wind up in, like the original gag where Twi and Rarity looped in as cuttlefish.
- Mutually Fictional: Not always the case, but often. The more forward thinking Loopers tend to collect large stashes of fiction from many different loops, so that they are as certain as possible to have an effective "guidebook" to wherever they end up next. Some even carry copies of their own stories to give out during fused loops.
- Revealed in the MLP Loops to be deliberate — since there is only one Yggdrasil system in the multiverse, a full independent system backup is not possible as they have only one server cluster to store the multiverse on. So as a partial solution they use a RAID-esque data striping technique, deliberately caching information about each Loop in redundant chunks spread out as background data amongst other Loops. Or: Fiction exists about the setting of Loop A as books/movies/etc. available to be read in Loop B because that's how the backup archive of Loop A manifests when its copied over into Loop B's assigned partition as inactive files. Not every Loop contains fiction about every other Loop, though, with the exception of the "Hub Loop" (our own real world), the master backup archive, which has an in-setting fictional work of some kind for every existing Loop.
- Uncanny Valley: Loopers sometimes regard nonloopers as disturbingly static versions of their friends and family. So far, Phoenix Wright and the eight Joestars are the only exceptions.
- Crossing the Line Twice: While there are debates over whether or not Innortal's loops are good or not, there are few who will admit that there are quite a few moments that manage to be so horrifying and insane that it becomes hilarious; an example being after a few loops where Harry gets fed up with Draco, he decides to retaliate by handing him a live hand grenade, much to Hermione's horror.
- Nightmare Fuel: Implications of the premise aside, the loopers themselves manage to be this as well. They've become so powerful, and yet so bored. So they think of creative ways to pass the time. However, the Time Abyss has resulted in them loosing most of their morals and misgivings. They are no longer the characters we know and love; they are half-insane, unkillable, unpunishable hedonists with severe PTSD.
- In general, the male loopers prank each other or people who've annoyed them in ways that would be considered dangerous at best, deadly at worst. The female loopers frequently rape or gang rape the male loopers and non looping characters. And nobody ever stops them, because nobody can.
The MLP Loops:
- Crack Pairing: Berry Punch and Discord eventually started dating. Also an ironic development, given that she originally turned him down (while they were both Awake) in loop 44.9.
- Trixie and Chrysalis, as well, given the two characters have never met in the show.
- Flanderization: Cadance got hit with this hard for the longest while, to the point where most of the time she only appeared whenever someone mentioned they were in a relationship with someone, but not married yet. Thankfully, once the readers started to point out how this was the only thing Candace was used for, the FiM writers caught on and started to bring her more in line with her canon characterization.
- Trixie also got hit with this pretty hard too. Early loops had her as her usual showmare persona, albeit toned down and nowhere near as arrogant, and possessing an interest in pyrotechnics to further increase the awe factor of her shows. Now a days, when she isn't being used with Chrysalis (sometimes even when she is), she mostly appears when a massive explosion has happened (and is usualy the cause), implies she caused the previous loop crash from a massive explosion, or just in general raves about explosions to a near obsessive level.
- Heartwarming In Hindsight: In chapter 8, Twilight Sparkle expresses the opinion that Diamond Tiara will only ever be a bad example. Many Loops later, Diamond starts Looping, proving Twilight wrong in all the best ways.
- My Real Daddy: Some consider Saphroneth to be this to the loops format.
- It got to the point where Twilight was going to name a world she made after him, but he cut that out due to embarrassment. And fourth wall breakage.
- What an Idiot: A non-looping Blueblood attempted a palace coup against an united front of Celestia, Luna, Discord, Cadance, Chrysalis, Sombra, Princess Twilight, Shining Armor (ascended to Alicorn), and Spike (as an advanced great wyrm Emperor of the Dragons). Would have been Too Dumb to Live, except he survives because they don't think he's worth the minimal effort to curb-stomp.
Twilight Sparkle (literally ROFL): You just tried to assassinate eight deities and a Greater Dragon!Blueblood (armed only with a knife): Errr... parlay?
- The Woobie: Chrysalis, once she becomes a Looper. Her first loop was "Slavequestria", where she and a non-Awake Shining Armor were Happily Married and helping runaways as part of La Résistance. Then the loop reset, and she was horrified to find that all the terrible things she did in canon were not All Just a Dream, as well as heartbroken that the Shining she had loved no longer exists, with the Awake Shining Happily Married to Cadence. She's left horribly depressed for many loops afterwards, and even though she's now in a steady relationship with Awake Trixie, it's clear she still misses her version of Shining.
- They Wasted A Perfectly Good Ascension: Zecora ascended to become some kind of Zebra-Alicorn through the same event that Silver Spoon ascended to become an Draconequus. Not only did this completely deprive Zecora of her own personal awesome event to ascend with (instead of piggybacking it onto Silver Spoon's), Silver's very interesting and unique situation overshadowed Zecora's so much that there have been almost zero loops of her in her 'alicorn' form.
- Magnificent Bastard: Haseo seems to be shaping up into one of these, with the amount of time he has spent with Shiroe in Log Horizon Fused Loops. Most noticeably is that he used the things he learned from such experiences to gain enough influence in CC Corp to throw Sakaki out of the job he blackmailed them for without very much difficulty at all.
Mega Man Loops:
- Complete Monster: Waltz. Dear God, Waltz. And what's worse, due to a loophole, she's Looping. She sees nothing wrong with murder and destruction, and at one point screams she wants to destroy everything, just because. And she's got all of Roll's skills.
- Nightmare Fuel: The setup for the Megaman Loops. Their universes are so fractured and fragmented by whatever broke Yggdrasil (it's implied that the Megaverse was closest to 'ground zero', and was thus hit the hardest) that the first four loop attempts shown (over 25) broke down, with the last attempt to make Protoman an anchor collapsing in under 10 seconds. And as already shown by the My Little Pony loops, it gets worse before it gets better...
- The Crash, and how it started. In a desperate attempt to save the badly damaged Mega Man Loop, the admin begins a merged loop. Things start off strangely enough, with no sign of the bad doctor, but all the robots being labelled "model-letter", leading to Models X and Z, implied to be X and Zero, who utterly destroy several Robot Masters before going down. Then Model V (Vile) shows up. Blues manages to help his brother and sister take him down, everything works out fine... and then Blues is knocked out, and when he wakes up, he, Rock, Roll and the Unknown Looper are tied up as part of a strange machine. Then something apparently possessing Doctor Wily shows up, announcing that it's going to use them to escape the Loops and become even more powerful. Worse, Blues has encountered this thing before (it killed him in one of his failed Loops, posing as Doctor Light), and realizes that whatever it is, it's not supposed to exist. Then it begins the procedure. Something goes wrong, and the machine zaps Wily. The last think that Blues can recall before everything breaks is reality itself screaming...
Warhammer 40000 Loops
- Crosses the Line Twice: A lot of events involving Slaneesh or Nurgle will inevitably do this. Particularly putting AIDS in beverages.
- Spotlight-Stealing Squad: A lot of the earlier-written snips focus primarily on or around ponies, and the Looping cast's interaction with them, rather than on their own feet. Averting this trope is the very reason that Warhammer 40K got their own set of Loops.
Attack on Titan loops:
- Base Breaker: Part of the reason the Skylanders branch ended up becoming read-only. In-Universe, it's because of the portal hopping gimmick, but out of it, it was because whenever the concept of it becoming it's own loop was brought up, there were both supporters, those who were neutral on the idea but were interested to see how it would go, and protestors towards the idea who flat out didn't want it looping arguing about it, even if it was so much as a passing mention that it's looping. Even when brought up that wouldn't be chronicled like the Classic and Legend Spyroverses were in the compilation, it did little to quell arguments. Eventually, it ended up becoming read-only, that way the characters could still be used if needed, without arguments over whether it was looping or not.
- Complete Monster: Despite being only written in one Loop, Kid Miracleman shows he is this. He incinerates his secretary's face off with his eye beams for no other reason than to show he can to Edward and Alphonse. He promises with glee that he'll do the same to their wives, and laughs like a psychotic thirteen year old as he fights them. And when, surprisingly, he's beating the two Loopers down, he promises to do a genocide that would put Hitler to shame in joy. It's only because Ed tricked him into saying his magic word that he was stopped.
- In a Ace Attorney/Five Nights at Freddy's cross loop, The Purple Guy, named in this loop: Vincent Purr-Pell Mann, did indeed kill the children as in baseline, but shows absolutely no remorse for his actions whatsoever, and did so For the Evulz. Thus, when he jumpscares the entire courthouse by wearing the Springtrap suit...
- Mythology Gag: Bonnie the Bunny changes gender much more often than other loopers, thank to the Five Nights at Freddy's fandom confusing him for a girl repeatedly. ((Foxy also suffered from this, but to a lesser extent.))
- Nightmare Fuel: The beginning of the Fire Emblem loops is this as well. Robin is the anchor, meaning that everything he remembers, Grima does too. Needless to say, Grima gets creative fast, Chrom and Lucina wake up to truly horrible loops, and Robin is trapped in his own mind for ages, watching his friends get tortured and killed over and over again. This setup ends after one chapter, thankfully.
- However, this setup is followed by chapter 2, where attempts to stabilize the Fire Emblem loops repeatedly fail due to an unknown factor royally screwing everything up. The major contributor to the problem, Time Travel (ironically enough) is universally despised by every observer, who are doing their best to stop the Fire Emblem universe from looping. They are, unfortunately, Well Intentioned Extremists who will do what they think is necessary to achieve this goal...which means attempting to railroad and outright neuter as much of the random factor Robin brings into the equation. This comes to a head when it's discovered that Morgan, merely by existing, is the one responsible for the looping, and the higher-ups keep rewriting everything in order to ensure Morgan, as we know them, never comes to be, including manipulating Robin's code to the point that they set up an entirely new baseline where Robin is female and married to Chrom. Even the universe's administrators are disgusted by the "solution"note Thankfully, thanks to Robin being a huge Determinator who firmly believes in Screw Destiny and one of the higher-ups acting as a Spanner in the Works, the universe begins to destabilize again, and are finally allowed to loop, thus beginning the Fire Emblem loops proper in Chapter 3.
- Dio Brando's introduction snip in The Grand Battle of Pelennor. It's heavily implied that he fed all the members of Xcution to his zombie minions except Ginjo and Riruka, sexually assaulted her while her now mind-controlled leader and friend watched, began feeding on her blood, before throwing her body to a Zombie-fied Haku and Zabuza for them to devour. Made even worse when you realize that the Zombies now have a slavish devotion to Dio, so Haku and Zabuza can't really stop themselves from doing the horrible act.
- The second Fused Mega Man / Sonic Loop, specifically the part where Sally and Sonic discuss Loops where they were roboticized, especially Sally's. Her friends start vanishing, one-by-one, replaced by insanely dangerous robot duplicates who remorselessly chase you everywhere, leaving her nowhere to run. And finally, Metal Sonic, the one behind all this, who has a truly disturbed attraction to her, captures Sally, and prepares to transfer her mind to a robot duplicate of her. He flips the switch... and the Loop ends. His machine outright killed Sally.
- What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?: Averted. Apparently the loop that Anakin, as Darth Vader, held a 'The View' esc talk show was caused by his coolant being spiked with something while the Emperor was experimenting with 'dark mushrooms'
- This being in universe, out of universe it hard to say if there are any loops written on drugs
- Considering a few of the comments by various authors in the forums, it would seem a few were written on at least lack of sleep.
- This being in universe, out of universe it hard to say if there are any loops written on drugs