This is a page for theories about The Order of the Stick that have been Jossed by the strip or Word of the Giant. Please move any open theories to here if they are jossed.
- Well, there was Elan and Thog...
- Jossed. Redcloak is the one that kills Tsukiko.
- Pretty much Jossed by his vampirism.
- Malack casts Harm and Inflict Critical Wounds in one comic, something only Evil Clerics get, if I'm not mistaken. That doesn't mean he can't be a nice dude though, he's very pleasant for an evil mastermind with a large role in the oppression of an entire continent.
- Good clerics can cast Inflict spells but they'd have to prepare them in advance, unlike evil clerics who can spontaneously cast them. However, quickened spells can't be spontaneously cast without some serious feat preparation and Harm needs to be prepared either way. However, I'm part of the "Malack is neutral" camp myself.
- Neutral clerics can choose whether they get the good or evil bonuses, so he could still be neutral as he implied.
- Pretty heavily Jossed. He plans to take over Tarquin's empire after he dies and use it to provide mass sacrifices to his god.
- Jossed. She got zapped by Familicide.
- Partially jossed now that we know Malack is Lawful Evil, but an Enemy Civil War and/or temporary Enemy Mine isn't impossible.
- Especially since now we know his future plans. Xykon ending the world would get in the way of them.
- Jossed, as Nale kills him for endangering his life and because he hated him.
- Especially since now we know his future plans. Xykon ending the world would get in the way of them.
- Jossed, seeing as how he just killed Nale over it.
- This doesn't actually Joss the theory, as Nale was killed only because he'd failed to demonstrate his usefulness to the rest of the group and then demanded that Tarquin withdraw his protection. The headline may be incorrect: Tarquin clearly didn't expect Malack to get killed right then, but the broader theory still holds.
All by herself. Hey, she does have both arcane and divine magic, and she's studying the ritual. It might be that she'll find some way to simplify it to the point where a single caster can handle the duties.
- And then Crystal will show up out of nowhere just to complicate it further.
- Jossed, by the fact that Tsukiko was just killed by Redcloak.
- Tying this together with both Belkar and Vaarsuuvius's remaining prophecies, V will make some sort of horrible deal with Redcloak where he will trade Belkar's life for a raised Roy and in the process somehow achieve ultimate magical power. His four words will therefore be (as indicated above): "Bring Roy back, Redcloak."
- Sorta Jossed as of comic 581. They've got a different cleric lined up.
- Jossed again as of 650, when Durkon starts up the Resurrection spell.
- Sorta Jossed as of comic 581. They've got a different cleric lined up.
- Maybe Julia will hold the sword for him.
- Jossed as of the latest strip; Roy is now a bone golem, which is neither technically undead nor technically Roy.
- Roy still CAN be brought back. He just needs a true resurrection spell now, As that one doesn't require a body. (can Durkon perform that one yet?)
- I really doubt it, true rez is a ninth level spell. That said, I don't think being a construct would prevent Durkon from using a normal rez on him.
- Haley seems to think that if they have Roy's body, they won't need a seventeenth level cleric to bring him back. So, it seems a normal rez is good enough. Besides, if a normal rez can't bring back someone who was turned into a construct, then true rez can't either—both say in their descriptions that they can't resurrect constructs (but given that they also both say that they can't resurrect undead, but true rez can be used to bring back someone who was turned into an undead creature, then destroyed, they might both still be usable on someone who was turned into a construct, then destroyed).
- In strip 578, Belkar is seen shaking one of Roy's boots as they escape the golems. A rattle is heard from within. It has been suggested that a toe bone or similar remains in the boot. And the spell resurrection requires only a small part of the body to work.
- And the major, major point no-one has remembered: you DON'T need a cleric who can cast level 9 spells. All you need is a scroll and a cleric with Wis 19. Hell, Haley probably has ranks in Use Magic Device; SHE could cast it if a scroll could be found. (Of course, this kind of requires a scroll, but everyone appears to be so obsessive about finding a cleric of high enough level that this idea has completely fallen by the wayside. And since the cleric they found stated he did have a scroll...)
- One needs to consider an elven perception of time. They are obscenely long-lived creatures at an average "retirement age" of 650 years (AD&D Elves don't die of old age, they just "go away"). So, regardless of how long it's been to the other party members, for Vaarsuvius it's the equivalent of a weekend camping trip. Not to mention, humans are amazed at a marriage that lasts 50 years; think how tired you would get of someone if you were together continually for 500 years. Long periods apart are also listed in the 2nd Ed. Elves Handbook as a way of rekindling an Elven couples love for one another.
- Based on the above, Vaarsuvius is female, and her ex-husband is Thief from 8-Bit Theater. She left him because he shunned her abilities as a caster to a "pocket universe" wherein she can develop her skills and prove to her husband she's actually useful. That explains why she gets so angry when she fails in her attempt to scry for Roy, her secrets and her bending morals. This is also why Thief refuses to speak about his wife, and often mocks Red and Black Mage for being "casters".
- This would also explain why Vaarsuvius seems to get along so well with Haley compared to the rest of the party — she reminds her of dear, sweet Thief!
- Or, as a counterpoint to the same, Thief stated in 8-Bit Theater that he gained his wife via coercion. It is unlikely that, were this Vaarsuvius, it would endear one to the other...
- This may be proved, as in the latest strip, a dragon mentions V's kids.
- That only proves he has kids. Does not prove V's marital status.
- May not even prove that. I originally read it as a Double Entendre. Of course, that was before...
- That only proves he has kids. Does not prove V's marital status.
- However, a few strips later, V lets slip his kids are adopted... I have no idea what this contributes, but it does exist.
- Probably to avoid the issue of V's children using a gender specific parental epithet.
- Vaarsuvius adopted Thief's kids!
- Probably to avoid the issue of V's children using a gender specific parental epithet.
- Note: This WMG is 'Varsuvius is divorced, not 'will get divorced'.
- Considering that it's been about eight days since the showdown, which started here, which subsequently led to V's departure - either the demons has been pestering V for eight days and V has not given in, or V has accepted the offer off-screen, and this will be used in a reveal.
- He has so far, but there is a chance yet as of this strip.
- This one appears to have been Jossed. And as Genre Savvy as V may be, I don't think V's going to be able to willingly give up this power now that V has it.
- Hold Portal may still be a Chekhov's Gun, or (Chekhov's Skill depending on how you look at magic). V's recent paralysis from Strength poison has shown that V routinely prepares Feather Fall so that V has something to cast while unable to perform somatic components, so it's reasonable to assume that V prepares Suggestion and Hold Portal for the same reason. V has already had great success with Suggestion in such a state (against the young black dragon), so it seems likely that Hold Portal will have its day in the spotlight.
- The right fourth words, eh?
- "Let's try fourth edition".
- Can you even get XP when you're dead? And how would killing V's kids help her escape Hell?
- Since Xykon and Redcloak were discussing the XP value of the good-aligned monsters...yeah, you get XP when you're dead. It's when you stop being dead you lose XP.
- Sorry, V would have died from the familicide spell, which might have caused enough confusion combined with the EXP and any prepared spells for her to take over the body before being sent back. Moot point now.
- Nope. Adopted children.
- I don't see why she'd want to Familicide on V, but the part of this about her escaping is confirmed.
- Alternately: She hitches a ride with someone else (Belkar?) until the original splice ends, then kills V and steals the body.
- Or possibly possesses one of V's kids.
- What do you think Order of the Stick is, a DC Comic? ;)
- I vote for the Splice ending and V blowing up somehow.
- I predict it happening 1-5 strips later, just so it isn't on 666. The drama will have built up to the point where the savvy amongst us expect something on 666.
- It has, in fact, happened 13 strips before 666.
- Jossed; no fiends, just a pleasant chat watching the sun set and a disembowelment threat.
- But if not for the deaths of D&D co-creators Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson, who each quite deservedly got memorial strips, 666 would've been entirely fiend-based.
- If Roy dies again, I quit.
- Eh, no matter what happens, V is not likely to be pleased about Roy's use of his/her cape as cover-up.
- Jossed, fortunately.
- A four-sided war between the Linear Guild, the reformed Order of the Stick, Xykon, and Evil V over Girard's Gate? Sign me up! Such a pity V's effective level is so high s/he doesn't technically get more than one or two points of XP for acts short of destroying planets.
- Well, we know there are more sides to the fight from here. (Roach's dialogue, 8th panel.) Even though at this point, it doesn't look like V will stage his/her own attempt to control the gates, there's definitely more going on than we know of.
- Jossed.
- It's far from unheard of for a webcomic to pull a St. Elsewhere, especially one as self-aware as this one.
- More specifically, Adventurers!, a spiritual cousin to OOTS, pulled a similar trick.
- It would help explain some of the Genre Savviness of many of the characters and the presence of certain D&D-specific (or RPG-specific) tropes over the course of the strip.
- Burlew is on record as saying he "already knows what the last panel of the last comic will be".
- Jossed, as Word of God is also on record that "there are no players" in OOTS.
- Quite strange, if you consider that they're called explicitly "PCs", in contrast to NPCs. They'd be the first PCs without players.
- I always assumed that the terminology they always use were just the physical laws of their universe. "PC" just refers a class designation of someone who can be roughly defined as an "adventurer"- and that most of the main characters themselves were not PC's until they started living the adventurers' life. The fact that their terminology corresponds exactly to Dungeons and Dragons rules is just a coincidence.
- Quite strange, if you consider that they're called explicitly "PCs", in contrast to NPCs. They'd be the first PCs without players.
- Jossed quite recently in this strip.
- This is very likely. Or at least The Monster helping the good guys somehow.
- Apparently, it had, though maybe not exactly a Heel–Face Turn. It's hard to define it as a "Heel", to start.
- Why is this even on the Jossed page? It's EXACTLY what happened.
- Probably because the monster didn't really do a Heel–Face Turn in the sense the OP meant. The Mit D didn't fight Xykon or Redcloak, nor "break O-Chul out". He just used, essentially, Teleport.
- Alternatively, V does kill him, but in the rush of power, V forgets to (or runs out of power before he can) dispose of the Phylactery.
- Jossed. He wasn't even in that strip.
- I Read That As Celia finding herself in a Soul Splice. Which would be an interesting twist.
- Jossed, Celia's heading back home instead, thoroughly turned off to the Adventuring lifestyle.
- V. doesn't need to. S/he knows Wish. S/he now has enough caster levels to perform epic spells. S/he can presumably use some kind of epic Wish variant to bring Roy back without needing to even think about Durkon.
- What part of "you won't be able to duplicate any divine magic, not even with a Wish or Limited Wish" don't you understand? He can't use Clone without a piece of Roy's flesh, and Major Creation specifically forbids using created objects as spell components.
- Oops. On the other hand, we already know the fiends were fibbing about the alignment feedback. How do we know they were on the up-and-up about anything else? It may be that you're entirely free to duplicate divine spells, but for some reason V. doing so would screw up the plan, so they tell hir it isn't going to work in order to prevent hir from trying it. After all, fiends being trustworthy doesn't seem to logically fit.
- What part of "you won't be able to duplicate any divine magic, not even with a Wish or Limited Wish" don't you understand? He can't use Clone without a piece of Roy's flesh, and Major Creation specifically forbids using created objects as spell components.
- Not entirely Jossed, but severely weakened by this strip: V losing control leads to a soul escaping.
- Jossed. Removing a Mark of Justice curse requires a particular password that neither know and the cleric of Loki ended up removing it
- Alternatively, this is where O-Chul finally gets through to the Monster in the Darkness, and they bail V out. Later Edit: Looks like...
- I am actually leaning towards the idea that O-Chul is going to head on by himself, and make a Heroic Sacrifice, buying V time to escape. Because "Doing your duty" can never end well...
- S/He says "I" twice, the "being" s/he's talking to is hirself, and the wrong reason isn't because of hir family, it's because s/he'd rather sell hir soul for power than admit that s/he was wrong.
- We know the prophecy has been fulfilled because there's a twist. Roy, Haley and Belkar's prophecies were all wrong... at first.
- Or it could be that there isn't a twist, and the title "The Wrong Reasons" was there as a fake-out because it's yet to genuinely come true. After all, "prophecy fulfilled with a twist" needs a good solid subverting.
- So, let's examine the evidence FOR: we have the four words(I.. I must succeed), we have the wrong reasons(arrogance), we have the right being(himself). We have him getting the power of three epic spellcasters, which "when combined would dwarf the power of any spellcaster that ever lived"(not exact quote). That's very much ultimate, just because the power was misused does not mean it's not ultimate. We have the strip titled "The Wrong Reasons". Let's examine the evidence AGAINST:... Uhm... A twist needs a good solid subverting? Rich likes to subvert tropes? Seems shaky at best.
- How about the fact that Xykon pointed out that the Soul Splice wasn't really all that ultimate, especially since it wasn't so much V gaining power as it was his/her/its temporarily gaining the ability to draw on the power of three epic-level spellcasters. The wording of the question implies that the power would truly be V's—"how will I obtain", not "how will I gain access to". Also, that wasn't four words; it was three words, one of which was stammered.
- Look, if you have a basket with two red apples, one green apple and one yellow apple then how many apples do you have in the basket? FOUR. If you have two "I"'s in a sentence, one "must" and one "succeed" then you have FOUR words in a sentence. The power of the souls individually wasn't ultimate, but when combined "would dwarf that of any spellcaster that ever lived". And there was nothing in V's question about obtaining the power permanently, nor does 'obtain' imply by itself that what you gain is permanent, check a dictionary. In short, there's no compelling evidence whatsoever that V's prophecy might not be fulfilled yet.
- It is 4 words, but it's 3 unique words. Since the English language is somewhat ambiguous when referring to unique or non-unique parts (4 words can mean either just 4 words, or 4 unique words, both are valid interpretations) it's still questionable.
- Note, also, the wording "every spellcaster who has ever lived." Xykon is most emphatically not alive, and neither is any other undead spellcaster. It is entirely in character for beings as manipulative as the Three Archfiends have shown themselves to be to use misleading-but-true phrasing to get what they want out of V. It's possible that even before the loss of the first soul, the Soul Splice would have made V more powerful than Xykon as he was when he was still human, but not as he is now, when he's been an undead epic spellcaster for years. The term also does not imply "ultimate power"; it merely means that V has, however temporarily, surpassed all previous living spellcasters. There's nothing preventing someone else from surpassing V in turn. "Ultimate" implies going beyond the point where anyone can surpass you. Check a dictionary. Also, if you're going to persist in refuting this theory, take it to the Discussion page.
- I've always assumed that V had Ultimate Arcane Power until Haerta left. And I'd like to point out that while Xykon is dead now, he didn't used to be. He "has ever lived", and therefore likely was not as powerful as triple-soul spliced V.
- Or it could be that there isn't a twist, and the title "The Wrong Reasons" was there as a fake-out because it's yet to genuinely come true. After all, "prophecy fulfilled with a twist" needs a good solid subverting.
- Gonna add a corollary to this: It hasn't been fulfilled in order to have the twist. Now that V thinks he has fulfilled the prophecy he is going to walk right into the real one. With all the foreshadowing of a future fall for V it begs that the splicing incident was a red herring. Any other comic, any other story, the splicing would have qualified. OotS dines on tropes and washes down stale cliches with glasses of uberness. This is too "normal" for OotS.
- Jossed by Word of God in Don't Split the Party's author commentary.
- Jossed by Tarquin's decidedly non-Tyrinarish backstory.
- Jossed, here (first panel) in conjunction with here (last panel).
- Except that amulet was already broken, and we don't have any indication that she gave him a new one. And if she did, it would probably be one she'd know he can break.
- Because no one denies me, Elan. Not father, not you, no one.
- V, Durkon and Elan already have Hinjo or another Paladin as a replacement for Roy, the tank. Therkla could replace Haley but that's been Jossed, not sure who'd take the place of Belkar yet.
- If Celia manages to get the hang of actually using her magical powers, she could take the place of V, and we might possible even end up with Hilgya replacing Durkon. Not sure who the others will be played by, and whether or not Belkar recovers.
- The cleric of Loki has certainly gotten onto Belkar's good side, it looks like, so I'd count him in as a future member.
- And with Belkar's recovery, he pretty much fills Roy's tanking role. We've got a workable team already! (well okay, one Technical Pacifist caster, but they can work around that)
- Dear god, no! Frankly, I hope to see Celia Stuffed In A Fridge at some point. I mean, her relationship with Roy just came out of freakin' nowhere, and she's annoying, to boot.
- The Linear Guild are bound to be amused either way.
- Even if one of them was a sorcerer, a level one sorcerer can't kill an ancient black dragon. Might be able to escape though.
- "My sibling and one of my parents died at the claws of a black dragon seeking vengeance against my powerful but distant adventurer other parent and I narrowly survived due to the timely manifestation of my sorcerous abilities" is a back-story if ever there was one.
- ...and all I got was this lousy T-shirt?
- No, all I got was this lightning-bolt scar.
- Putting this in Jossed, since the kids didn't use any sorcery against the dragon.
- I very much hope so.
- Putting this in Jossed, since he didn't kill Belkar while under the Soul Splice.
Okay, the main impetus for this theory is backed by how awesome it would be for Right-Eye's daughter, niece to xenophobic Redcloak (who has issues regarding his brother's get, to say the least), to have the hots for humans — possibly because of her cultural isolation amongst the humans.
...but I have support!
- Class: Right-Eye was a deadly rogue, and it would only be natural for that same blood to flow through his daughter's veins.
- Tropes: Rich has been working in his extra books this arc, and some more Start Of Darkness references would be apropos.
- Racial: Therkla is a greenskin, and while she has the skin-tone of a half-orc...
- Age: Right-Eye's daughter would be of age — in three years, she could have hit puberty.
- Awesomeness: Such an outcome would clearly be covered by the Rule of Cool.
- Unfortunately, this theory, along with many others, has been Jossed as of #509. An even more thorough Jossing appears on #555.
- Even so, I'd expect Right-Eye's daughter to put in an appearance at some stage. Perhaps her having been raised lovingly by adoptive human parents will lead Redcloak to rethink his belief that Humans Are Bastards and do a Heel–Face Turn on Xykon.
- Unfortunately, this theory, along with many others, has been Jossed as of #509. An even more thorough Jossing appears on #555.
- The girl Belkar's sleeping with is the bard that accompanied the rest of the Guild to kill Haley and the cleric of Loki. Who, we might point out, was both completely outclassed in battle by, and very taken with, Belkar during their battle, which doesn't really sound like Sabine at all.
- She also appeared in the prequel book On the Origin of PCs, and is shown to be a friend of Haley's a good 8 months before the OotS and the Linear Guild ever even met.
- Her name is Jenny, by the way! Just in case... you know...
- Seems to be Jossed, so . . .
- Because it just seems like the sort of dickish thing Xykon would do for kicks, and it would nip the Monster in the Darkness's Heel–Face Turn in the bud if the charm also caused him to forget O-chul ever existed.
- Or even better plotwise (and slightly less depressingly) the spell would not make the Monster forget about O-Chul and cause the Heel–Face Turn.
- Judging by the "escape" spell, this seems to be Jossed.
- There's an easy way around that. The only caster of a high enough level to cast a 5th (4th for cleric) level spell bared evocation (Hey, don't ask me why the spell is in the school that focuses on "the elements" instead of the one based around "infromation") and there are no clerics at 7th level (the resitance can't manage a 5th level cleric).
- Jossed.
- No, it's a member of a species (it's recognized as being "one of these), and Word of God has said that it's an actual creature, not something he made up.
- Think about it: Insanely overpowered, able to perform attacks that should be impossible in a D and D universe, and unlike every other creature in the Order Of The Stick universe, HE HAS NO IDEA HOW THINGS ACTUALLY WORK!!! Every other creature, even admittedly idiotic ones, possess full awareness of the abilities of both themselves and others. The Creature In The Darkness does not, because he's not from this universe, but instead he is a creature that came from a universe that operates on a completely different set of rules. And which Optional Boss? Choko actually seems kinda likely.
- Jossed in the Prequel book. V's parents were rangers, and V's master was a family friend.
- Alternately, V's master is also his/her real mother/father. (Possibly both, as this is WMG.)
- Except that "I(1)...I(2) must(3) succeed(4)" is 4 words. Count them again. And V didn't say them to the Three Fiends, he said them to himself in an attempt to justify his Deal with the Devil when given a hypothetical alternative solution (that it would not have actually worked out for him is irrelevant; he didn't know that at the time). This makes it "for the wrong reason"—V wanted to prove that pure arcane power could solve any problem, and the one fiend specifically calls him on this by pointing out that it would mean he was wrong. V did it out of pride—the wrong reason. The right time was just as the Time Stop was fading, and he had little choice to think of an alternate plan (or, to think through the proffered plan). V received "ultimate arcane power" and lost it. Xykon even calls him on this, pointing out that all his power is for naught as it is still "shackled to your lame mid-level ass." There is no question that the terms of the prophecy have been met.
- Stammers are indicated by a hyphen, not dots. The four words are written "I... I must succeed", not "I-I must succeed".
- Wrong. Rich confirmed that the prophecy has been fulfilled.
- V becoming a Green Sun Prince. Yes, I realize that this would involve a massive crossover (probably with Keychain of Creation), but think about it: A Green Sun Prince exalts after an interview with a demon, who makes contact with them after they fail to fulfill a heroic destiny on their own terms. And, well...look at the White Treatise's Solar Circle spell list, or even the Infernal Charm list—if that's not "complete and total arcane power" by D&D standards, I don't know what is. V has already demonstrated some serious character flaws, as well as a willingness to go through with Faustian bargains under the right circumstances, so as long as his/her/its acceptance is exactly four words long (and none of this "three words and a stammer" nonsense), all the conditions of the prophecy have been fulfilled. Clearly, V is going to become a Defiler. Or if he isn't, someone should write fanfic about it.
- And Neal, Lean, Anel and Nela too.
- And Lane.
- Say, maybe the letters differ slightly depending on who the mother was. Lien doesn't have any physical traits that are clearly similar to Elan's, but this being a stick figure comic we can't rule it out yet.
- Possibly jossed. Although he might be lying about it and (more likely) his motivations for doing so, Tarquin claims that he was so disappointed in how Nale turned out, he's avoided having children then. So, any other siblings would have to have been born prior to Elan and Nale.
- Jossed. It's Thog.
- This actually helps explain why Burlew let slip that one of the gates opened before the story began — why wouldn't he just have had four gates in the first place, unless the already-destroyed one was a Chekhov's Gun? Clearly, Xykon and Redcloak obtained the partial services of the Snarl when they knocked down their first gate. This also helps explain why Xykon hasn't unleashed the Monster yet — he'd prefer to have the whole thing.
- This may have been Jossed in Start Of Darkness: the Monster in the dark was about a while before the incident with the gate. That an aspect of Snarl existed before some other way is possible. As well, the Monster serves as The Watson to the explanation of Xykon's plot in #195-6, sitting through the gate's destruction before learning what's going on.
- Alternatively, the Monster in the Dark is an aspect of the Snarl left out in the original sealing. It's in darkness because the tanglyness would give it away, and it can't see the gates because they're constructs of order — the Snarl couldn't see the prison around it when it was being made.
- This may be disproved by Start of Darkness: In that book, there are people who see the Monster, and they recognize what he is (although they never say what exactly he is). If the Monster was a part of the Snarl, most people wouldn't have any idea what he was.
- Jossed: he was recognized by his captors, and by Word of God he isn't something Rich has made up for the comic.
- Xykon really doesn't seem like the type to let some warlord have any kind of authority over him. Now Tyrinar as a secondary villain or the new primary one... that seems much more likely. And awesome.
- Jossed. Tyrinar was just a figurehead ruler who got "his" kingdom by Elan and Nale's father: Tarquin. And most likely he won't appear anymore, he was eaten by the Empress of Blood.
- Jossed. It was Zz'dtri.
- Alternately: The character shown is a literal lapdog. The Empress is slightly more unfortunate than the throne.
- Jossed. He is just Tarquin's puppet, there is no real Empress of Blood.
- Jossed by Start of Darkness - in a flashback scene, Kraagor utters the line "Raging makes Kraagor a thirsty boy."
- Jossed. Tyrinar was just a figurehead and the Empress is the new one.
- Jossed as A: Haley has no intention to pay anymore, B: Roy is supposed to break up from prison with him, C: Tyrinar is dead and he isn't Elan's dad.
- Jossed. Word of God says the MitD is something from D&D.
- They have now been seen in the same frame.
- Well, I was going to guess the MitD was a newborn god, but both could work. Indeed, the MitD could be a god in-universe doing double duty as a Deus ex Machina.
- To fuse these two interpretations and add a horrible pun: the MitD's race is originally from Mechanus.
- This makes a lot of sense going all the way back to its' discovery in Start of Darkness. The explorers and later the people at the circus were shocked to see it "here" meaning shocked to see a Deus ex Machina halfway through a prequel book.
- It's a Monster in the Darkness, not a Trope in the Darkness. It's a creature that will be revealed (Word of God says so), and a Deus ex Machina has no physical appearance, so this is Jossed.
- To fuse these two interpretations and add a horrible pun: the MitD's race is originally from Mechanus.
- Judging by the reaction the comic in question engendered as is, I think there would be a revolt if this were to be revealed.
- In strip 809 Roy says "That bird. I think it's the one that's been on V's shoulder these past two weeks". Jossed.
- Not entirely Jossed. Haley admitted (to Blackwing) that she was just busting V's chops. The rest probably weren't, though, and we know from that same page that Elan wasn't.
- In strip 809 Roy says "That bird. I think it's the one that's been on V's shoulder these past two weeks". Jossed.
- In strip 809 Roy says "That bird. I think it's the one that's been on V's shoulder these past two weeks". Jossed.
The fact that his dad is holding Haley's father hostage would just be icing on the cake, and give him something else to use against Elan.
- Jossed.
- Word of God says that it isn't something Rich made up for the comic. The snarl is made up for the comic. Jossed.
- oooh... Tiamat is going to be mad at Xykon for that.
- A dragon is quite recognizable, so the scene in the circus would fail (they call him "it"). A dragon talking in common isn't that surprising. The powers required for all he did in the comic this far are only available when a dragon is bigger than the box and the umbrella. So pretty much Jossed.
- Word of God says it's not something Rich made up for the comic, and that it can be guessed. This makes the WMG Jossed.
- Since, by Word of God, it is a guessable creature, this is Jossed.
- It's the Vashta Nerada! It fears the light, it's virtually unstoppable, and most of all it's only shown attack is to eat people.
- You mean, Belkar attacked the darkness? And by the way, it doesn't fear the light. It keeps trying to get lit up.
- That's because it's been pretending to be vulnerable and harmless. It's been planing everything from behind the scenes, by animating a skeleton and passing it off as a lich king.
- Except Vashta Nerada are microorganisms, like bacterias, and the Monster is only one creature. So Jossed.
- You mean, Belkar attacked the darkness? And by the way, it doesn't fear the light. It keeps trying to get lit up.
- Let's see, there's the very girly umbrella it has during the siege on Azure City, the fact that it has no problem with hitting ladies (the "who can hit the softest" contest should be an indicator), the fact that it enjoys tea parties, and the fact that it is a lot more docile than a male creature would be (males tend to be a lot more aggressive, even while they are young, like The Creature In The Darkness seems to be). But why would everyone refer to it as male? Because no one would care about the gender of a monster, as it would matter about as much to most people about as much as it would the breeding patterns of slugs on a continent that you had never visited before in your life and never will. Others just refer to The Creature In The Shadows using male pronouns for convenience. And since The Creature In The Darkness has no idea what it really is, he just assumes he's male like everyone else (the only other one of it's kind that it's encountered is it's father, but it wouldn't be able to tell the difference between itself and it's father meant male or female unless it met a female of it's kind). Given this evidence, there is a strong possibility that "Monster-san" is in reality a "Monster-chan"
- And why a humanoid? EASY: First off, there's the fact that it's holding the umbrella over itself, so unless someone's been duck taping that umbrella to it's back, that implies that it's at least got arms of some sort.
- But it won't let girls join its secret club.
- Knowing that monster's usual level of intelligence, it does not seem far-fetched that it might not understand what gender is, "under the hood", meaning it would be incapable of knowing it's own gender.
- Jossed. It was Nale and the Linear Guild.
- Jossed. Roy singlehandedly defeated Thog with his cross class-skill ranks in Knowledge (Architecture and Engineering).
- Or Thog could be a character Deadpool was roleplaying in a game of D&D.
- Okay, here's the comic in question: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0816.html
- Actually, Rich went onto the discussion and said that the girl and Orrin were NOT Haley and Ian. However, that does not mean that Orrin isn't actually like... a cousin of Ian's. Just saying your details are jossed, not the big picture.
- And now it looks like Vaarsuvius accidentally killed off the entire Draketooth bloodline.
Considering how he was introduced, things can only get worse from here...and as someone once pointed out, it's not a good thing if you're going to have to lie to the Paladin about your actions. I'm guessing it will involve those Goblinoid women and children that Redcloak mentioned a few strips ago.
- This will also make him the new Miko on the Order of the Stick forums, with the fandom divided over whether he went too far or not far enough.
- Jossed as of his death at the hands of Redcloak.
- Hilgya hasn't been mentioned since she disappeared, and the entire experience with her, while very brief, clearly disturbed him a great deal, to the point where all of the other characters have shared their hidden secrets and pasts with the rest of the party, Durkon has still not told them what happened between him and Hilgya that we know of. Most of the other characters have gone through plot developments that have changed them significantly, except Durkon who's whole character is that he's the steadfast reliable dwarven Cleric of Thor. This is because unlike all the other characters he got his initial development early on: he found someone he cared about more then his duty to his deity and his people, as evidenced by the tear he shed when leaving Hilgya behind.
- Jossed, as his last thoughts were about returning home.
- Except the IFCC will get his soul, not his body. Plus, the Order wouldn't just "go on their merry way" just because Girard made a boast.
- Except the IFCC grafted three souls onto V and he got to completely control their actions. "Having control of someone's soul" seems to equal "complete domination" in this comic. Additionally, I didn't suggest that the Order would actually go away, just that Girard would tell them to shortly before getting ganked.
- He got to use their powers, not control their actions. Also, the agreement stated they'd get V's soul after his death anyway.
- He did get to control their action, just not their thoughts.
- Also, the agreement did not say a single thing about them taking control of V's soul after death. It was a very big thing on the forums that those words were never stated by the fiends; V came up with the 'after death' bit on his own, and they never confirmed or denied it.
- The statue of Girard in 841 suggests that he might already have died from old age. Also, we know from the battle of Azure City that Soon Kim is already dead, and he appears to have been about the same age as Girard.
- Aaaaaannnddd... we have a winner! V may have not known it, but s/he could have killed Girard with Familicide.
- Actually jossed, as it's confirmed that Girard had been long dead before.
- Apparently Jossed, as they were killed by Vaarsuvius' Familicide.
- Jossed, they're quite dead.
- Jossed, he's dead.
- Jossed; it was Elan's genre-savviness that got them out. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0889.html
- Jossed. The gate has been found, and Xykon is yet to arrive.
- Actually he did show up. Just before the gate exploded.
- Jossed. It turns out that the gate is at the bottom of the pyramid, and the sign saying it isn't is simply a double bluff.
- Jossed. Xykon, Redcloak and the MitD appear, but nothing so whammy has occured.
- This also fits for a variety of other reasons. To be that small, it must be a very young Tarrasque indeed, which explains a lot about its personality - it has the mentality and tastes of a six-year old, which would be about equivalent. Also, since only one Tarrasque can exist on a plane at a time, it has no parents, so it's with Xykon and Redcloak so it can have parental figures in its life.
- The Tarrasque is traditionally the strongest non-setting, non-divine monster in D&D, anything less would be a disappointment.
- Not just a tarrasque, but an Awakened tarrasque with sorcerer levels. That would explain (a) how it can speak, (b) how it knows enough about magic to recognize Xykon's hybrid spell, and (c) how it can cast Wish ("Escape!"). That just raises the question, then, of who in their right mind Awakens a tarrasque in the first place.
- Tarrasque has by default Int of 3. It can speak.
Zodar are six-foot-tall, smooth-black suits of armor with 2 eye slits as their only distinguishing feature.
- Which begs the question: why would anyone set up a circus act with one? "Oh look, a guy in black arour" is not the reaction we see from the public in So D
They are seemingly designed as the ultimate brawlers: their entire interior is muscle, they have an incredibly high strength score, can only be harmed by bludgeoning damage, and they never have less than 16 Hit Dice.
Already, it's sounding like the ridiculously strong and somewhat featureless Monster in the Darkness, but it gets even better. 3 times in their life, Zodar can cause any spell to manifest as if they case. Once in their lives, they can cast a limited Wish effect even "Escape".
Zodar tend to have a higher intelligence or wisdom score than the Monster seems to possess, but that could be a result of its age. However, note the Monster's ability to understand and play complex games, and its ability to casually discern a complex magical ritual that even a theurge could not, which might indicate he's less of The Ditz and more of The Fool. In addition to that is the Zodar's ability to only speak 3 times in its life (though the Monster's ability to speak has been stressed as unique), and Zodar are traditionally very stoic and mysterious ( an effect of My Species Doth Protest Too Much, perhaps?).
- Zodar have no natural habitat and can be found anywhere. If one can be found anywhere, finding one in a jungle is not unusual.
- The Monster in the Darkness causes an earthquake here. It's implied it's done this before. It could be the Zodar's spell ability, but it would likely not waste it on not being bought transformers.
- That may just be due to the Monster's ridiculous strength. Or, it could be its ability to increase its strength a few times out of the day.
- The Monster in the Darkness causes an earthquake here. It's implied it's done this before. It could be the Zodar's spell ability, but it would likely not waste it on not being bought transformers.
- Zodar can speak, if only three times in their lives. However, the first time it is seen in Start of Darkness, the fact that it can talk at all is treated as incredibly unusual.
- Zodar are immune to mind control, and Xyklon mind-controlled the MitD in Start of Darkness, so it's not a Zodar.
- Their reunion won't be as easy as just paying for his release, that's almost a given.
- Looks increasingly likely, given what we've learned about Tyrinaria recently...
- Partially Jossed: Haley's father is alive, they've reunited, but he's still in the slammer.
- Confirmed by the IFCC tallying up their time. However, the soul splice's end is permanent (the IFCC specifically said it would work only as long as V could hold onto it), so recapture was Jossed before it even came up.
Lee: "Three minutes, six seconds for you, twenty minutes, thirty-five seconds for him and me." (since Haerta left early, and the other two souls were severed simultaneously)
In #695, the illusion of Girard says that the spell is set to inform himself, Serini, and (presumably) the rest of the Order that it's been triggered. Dorukan and Lirian are sealed, and Kraagor and Soon are dead, so the only people affected by the spell would be Serini and Girard himself; being that Serini is probably too good-natured to have been happy with the idea of Girard also setting it to blow Soon up, Girard probably didn't tell her about that part of the spell in the first place. Since Serini's a Rogue, she'd know to use this as an opportunity to see Soon Kim while she knows for a fact that he's away from his Gate and thus avoid breaking her promise not to interfere. Alternatively, Girard will teleport there himself, either to make sure Soon is actually dead, or to finish him off.
Either way, once they realize that the Order of the Stick has very good reasons for being there, whoever shows up will give them the proper coordinates.
Girard was an illusionist who had a personal grudge against Soon Kim; anyone who knew about the Gates would have to know about it. It's just a very cunning deception, designed to deter anyone from searching for the Gate any further; the spell to blow up Soon Kim is for authenticity and probably a bit of vindictiveness on Girard's part. After all, Roy survived it just fine, and Soon was likely higher-level then than Roy is now, and would have more HP to burn on what amounts to a very nasty prank— especially since Soon would be traveling with a bunch of paladins who could probably heal the inflicted damage with not much effort.
- So what about those quite-possibly low-level paladins or others you are talking about? Would they all be fine?
- Who would bring low-level anybody into a part of the world with Purple Worms in it? It's been some time since I took a flip through the Monster Manual, but as I recall, Desert and Undersea were some of the worst terrain types in terms of typical monster habitats.
- Because they don't HAVE all that many high-level people like the order of the stick in thier ranks, and you notice there's 'normal' people who go through the desert all the time, the spell was clrearly meant to be as lethal as possible.
- Girard put it specifically in the middle of nowhere, possibly for several reasons, but the stated one is because it's the middle of featureless desert, with nothing in it of value to anyone. Since the Order had to split off from the route the common folk were taking, normal people probably don't go through that part of the desert. And the Sapphire Guard did have some fairly impressive paladins in their roster; evidently this is especially the case for the ones they send out on long missions away from home (ie, Miko.)
- Who would bring low-level anybody into a part of the world with Purple Worms in it? It's been some time since I took a flip through the Monster Manual, but as I recall, Desert and Undersea were some of the worst terrain types in terms of typical monster habitats.
- Pretty much Jossed by his vampirism.
- Evil Vaarsuvius has been Jossed, it was Zz'dtri. Durkon has no counterpart yet (strip 811).
- He has been described as "he", but that doesn't preclude him being Transgender. Which would kind of be awesome, actually. IMO there are both too few FTM characters in popular fiction, and not enough trans characters for whom their gender identity isn't the main focus of their characterisation.
- Additionally, Elan will be ecstatic about the whole thing, being the trope-loving man that he is, and someone will compare their meeting to that of Elan and Tarquin's.
- Word of God has already jossed this in the discussion thread for that strip. Also, Orrin's daughter would only be 15, Haley is in her mid 20s.
- Firmly Jossed; she would have been killed by Familicide if that was the case.
- Except Word of God says in "Don't split the party" that it was the MitD who made V and O'Chul escape thanks to "powers he didn't know he had". So Jossed.
- I bet 10gp that you are right. It makes WAY too much sense.
- Until I read this WMG, I did not think about this possibility. But now, I am completely convinced.
- Exactly what I was thinking upon reading the line. After all, the gate can be any size, as we learned in Azure City, and having a statue of its guardian built around it doesn't seem that far-fetched.
- Jossed: The Order just proved my theory wrong in the next strip. You have to admit though, it wasn't that bad of the theory.
- Well, they haven't checked the corpse's ass-bone yet.
- Roy thought of that in the next strip. Poor Haley was the one to do it...
- Or maybe "Girard's Butt Cheeks" is the name of a rock formation
- I believe Girard's faith in family was undermined when the fact that they were all related led to their downfall at the hands of V
- Jossed, Girard's Gate was destroyed by Roy.
- Jossed. The literal instruction was used to distract the silicon elemental, but it was destroyed by the Order (thanks to the return of Durkon) before it did any permanent damage.
- Lirian's gate was protected by nature and destroyed when the unnatural overpowered it.
- Dorukan's Gate was protected by runes only the pure of heart could use and destroyed by Stupid Good Elan.
- Soon's Gate was protected by the honour of a paladin and destroyed by a fallen paladin.
- Nope, it was Roy.
- Again, Roy's the one who destroyed it.
- Quite possible. Right now (strip 795) Nale is back at his father's empire. While he already has new members for his Linear Guild (Durkon's opposite hasn't appeared yet though, but there's no way Nale is back without a full Guild) I think Nale will take control of the empire thwarting his father's plan of living like a god or living as a legend, because Tarquin right now thinks Nale is dead and he expects Elan to be the one defeating him, if he is ever defeated. That would be a great Plot Twist for the comic, and this way there would be someone capable of fighting Xykon's troops. Then both armies would be mutually destroyed, leaving the Order with chances of defeating the Guild and Xykon.
- Other way round. Tarquin killed Nale.
- They escape on an Allosaurus
- Jossed. His plan was apparently to get Durkon to call Julio Scoundrél for help.
- Durkon already killed Z without biting him. There are probably more useful forms of undead he could turn him into if he opts for that.
- Jossed. Durkon killed Z instead.
- That could also explain why Geoff and Ian know about who really controls the politic situation and why a ransom note was sent to Haley when the empire is so far from Greysky City, since Ian didn't want Haley to get involved. However there's still the thing of Miron supposedly being with the Weeping King...
- Jossed: He did keep betraying Ian and getting him recaptured, but he was ultimately working for Buzzok, not Tarquin. There could still be some familial relationship between him and Miron, though they are clearly not the same person.
- Jossed. Nale is dead, with no way of being resurrected, therefore they cannot break up. Sabine was not happy when this occurred either, so she did not want their relationship to end.
- Unlikely, given that Elan has now accepted his father isn't going to change easily (if at all).
- Jossed, Elan's plan didn't involve trying to redeem Tarquin.
- Jossed, Elan's plan didn't involve trying to redeem Tarquin.
- Durkon: How will I finally be returnin' ta me beloved dwarven homelands?Oracle: Posthumously.
- The word "posthumously," unfortunately, does unambiguously mean that Durkon will be dead when he returns. If he had asked, "How will my homeland greet my return?" and the answer was "Posthumously," that would mean his homeland would be dead when he returned.
- And in On the Origin of PCs, it's prophesied that "when next [Durkon] returns home, he will bring death and destruction for us all".
- Jossed.
- Jossed. Durkon becoming a vampire was Malack's doing, and that isn't part of Elan's Plan.
- It's one of the perfect ways for his "go out in an epic fashion" plan to fail! Seconded!
- Jossed. He was calling Julio Scoundrel.
- Jossed. Durkon's mother was in the Dwarf armed services, and he got on with her, and his father was deceased when Durkon was little.
- Their reunion won't be as easy as just paying for his release, that's almost a given.
- Looks increasingly likely, given what we've learned about Tyrinaria recently...
- Partially Jossed: Haley's father is alive, they've reunited, but he's still in the slammer.
- Jossed again. He gets out alive.
- Additionally, Elan will be ecstatic about the whole thing, being the trope-loving man that he is, and someone will compare their meeting to that of Elan and Tarquin's.
- Word of God has already jossed this in the discussion thread for that strip. Also, Orrin's daughter would only be 15, Haley is in her mid 20s.
- I believe Girard's faith in family was undermined when the fact that they were all related led to their downfall at the hands of V
- Jossed, Girard's Gate was destroyed by Roy.
- Jossed, seemingly; Wrecan believes it is due to his family's sword being a Weapon of Legacy.
- Jossed; Roy breaks it in the process of "returning" it to the new High Priest of Hel after Durkon leaves the Godsmoot.
- Now that we know just for what reason he's representing his goddess, this one seems fairly definitively Jossed.
- Jossed.
- Jossed, though Hilgya did show up.
- And Red Cloak will make a Heel–Face Turn after Xykon threatens to zombify his entire Goblin army. He will replace Durkon as the team cleric for the Order of the Stick.
- Jossed. Malak killed Durkon and raised him as a vampire.
- Also, the Order will recruit either the cleric of Loki or Hilgya as their new cleric and the cleric agrees to help save Durkon.
- Jossed — it wasn't Durkon at all, just a spirit possessing him. And he's better now.
- Jossed - the Destruction is something he's following up with in the form of mini-Mjolnir.
- I wouldn't call it distraught over Durkon's death as confused as all hell about what just happened. Also, if Belkar is distragth over Durkon's death, it is because our sociopath of a halfling no longer has a healer to help him.
- He's definitely blindsided by the fact that Durkon died instead of him, but the fact that his first reaction is "find the group and tell them what happened" definitely suggests he's not totally concerned about himself at the moment. Also, if V has Owl's Wisdom at the ready again, we can see Nice Guy Healer Belkar make a triumphant return!
- Jossed - no one died bringing Durkon back.