Why are the characters seen as being bad for what they did to Babu Bhatt? While everyone else who appeared in the finale were people they legitimately wronged out of selfishness, Babu was just someone they tried to help, and his getting deported was an honest mistake.
You're right, and its probably meant to be ironic that even the one instance where they meant to do good was stacked against them in trial. But also, if you remember the episode, they were patting themselves on the back for all the good they did him, which basically amounted to giving him advice. Its like telling a fat person he should eat less and exercise more and then congratulating yourself for helping him lose weight (or given the quality of the advice given, its more like telling a fat person he should take an ancient Chinese weight loss herb you saw an ad for on the internet.)
Frankly, the finale itself is a Just Bugs Me... not because it's just stupid to send your main characters to prison as a finale, though it is, but because so much of what was being used as evidence for their horribleness was misunderstandings. Generally speaking, the assholish things the characters do are as a result of crazy confluences of events and not outright malevolence. They didn't mean to get Babu deported, they actively tried to save him from that. George didn't mean to get toxic envelopes that killed Susan. Kramer didn't mean to get a wheelchair for that woman that would be unable to brake. Were the characters, generally speaking, selfish? Yes. But they were not the sociopaths they were made out to be in the finale until the finale, and the mocking they did of the fat guy being robbed at gunpoint would have been wildly out of character for them for most of the run.
I think the concept of the trial and jail could have been really funny, had it been written well. Sure, it might not have been deserved and been ridiculous in a legal sense, but it could have been classic tv comedy, had it not fallen flat. So many of the episodes are ridiculous if you really think about them, but because of good writing and acting, you can suspend your disbelief. Because there is something off about the finale, be it the writing, acting, editing, pacing, directing, or whatever, the flaws outshine everything.
I never saw them as bad people or being aware that they were bad people, to say the least. Comics (snarky observors of the world around them) are usually never portrayed as a bad force, but usually admirable because they cut through the BS.
I had thought George had bought the wedding invitations because they were slightly toxic as a sort of last-ditch-will-never happen-but-worth-a-shot way to get out of marrying Susan... Haven't seen that episode in a while though.
No, he just buys them because they're very inexpensive. George is guilty of being cheap, he's certainly not a murderer.
If anything, the stationary store is to blame for selling toxic envelopes in the first place. They were discontinued, and it's likely it's because of toxicity of the glue, so if they were taken off the market for toxicity, what were they doing still selling them?
That's not even getting into the fact that the use of character witnesses in the trial was incredibly illegal. When people are put on trial, the court's supposed to go out of its way to prevent the jury from learning those sorts of irrelevant, character-defaming acts.
You're assuming that this is a normal court with normal rules. But what if the characters died in the plane crash, and this is the afterlife where their souls are being judged? Consider the final scene—what earthly jail would place a woman in a cell with three men? I like the idea (which isn't my own) that they're in a kind of hell forced to listen to one another's neurotic rambles through eternity.
But isn't that how they'd choose to spend eternity anyway?
Babu being deported is mostly pure bad luck, since no one knew Babu's renewal papers were delivered to Jerry, but it's partly Babu's fault for not inquiring when he didn't receive his renewal forms so close to his visa expiration. Just because he doesn't receive the papers by mail doesn't mean he is no longer responsible for renewing his visa. After all, mail gets misplaced all the time.
In "The Doll," Kramer and Frank (and later, The Maestro) play billiards on a table that's too large for the room they're in (the cues keep hitting the walls). How did they get the table in there in the first place?
In-universe, the pool table disassembles. Out-universe, the set disassembles.
Why do they call him "the Bubble Boy" when he talks like a 42-year-old man?
That was the joke. I think the implication (maybe they said it, maybe this was WMG that I assumed was canon) was that he had been famously a bubble boy as a boy, but he had gone on and lived his life and now was a bubble man. But everyone still remembered him as the "Boy in the Plastic Bubble" (a real movie) even though he was all grown up. So Elaine talked Jerry into what she thought was a favor for a sick little kid, but of course, the dad is asking him to visit his adult son.
Why do we just accept that Seinfeld is a show about nothing? It has two episodes about nothing. I realize that was innovative at the time, but besides "The Chinese Restaurant" and "The Parking Garage," there's a lot going on in your average episode. I mean, a show where they have an episode where George meets Castro or Jerry reveals fattening yogurt that destroys the David Dinkens reelection campaign is not about nothing.
The thing is it was one of the first sitcoms without a wacky hook like a sarcastic butler or a talking cat or a genie or a large wacky family or incompatible neighbors. It was a totally original concept at the time but by now has become passť. That's why by our standards it doesn't feel like a show about "nothing". They lampshade this with "Jerry", which is just Seinfeld with the wacky hook about a sarcastic butler being thrown in.
That's a good explanation, and it's probably what people mean, but I'm not sure I agree with it completely. Sure, Cheers has the hook of, "It's a sitcom, but in a bar!" but lots of other pre-Seinfeld sitcoms don't really have anymore of a hook than Seinfeld. The Cosby Show is about the ordinary day to day life of a Brooklyn family. Is that any more of a hook, or any more "about something" than the life of a comedian and his three friends? Or All in the Family is about the politically incorrect observations of Archie Bunker. Is that any more "about something" than Jerry's observations?
I think the other major aspect of the "nothing" is the fact that there's basically no Character Development. Like they say, No Hugging, No Learning. Pretty much every other sitcom before that point was more family oriented and made some sort of attempt at having morals so that the characters would mature and develop to some degree. Seinfeld was different in that it forgoes that completely, basically showing four people just living their lives without really growing at all.
^That. Even Dom Coms like The Cosby Show would have a theme, usually illustrated through Plot Parallel so you couldn't miss it, and a moral at the end accompanied by Full House Music. And of course All in the Family was "about something" — it was social commentary largely about race relations, which is about as "about something" as you can get. There's a reason this show is the Trope Namer for Seinfeldian Conversation and formerly for Sein Language (now The Catch Phrase Catches On) — its distinctive style of comedy is mainly about discussions of completely inane questions like the placement of buttons on a shirt or the vagaries of social interaction like "the stop-and-chat" and "the kiss hello," which everybody can identify with but nobody had yet commented on, and not only commenting on them but talking them to death because these are characters who don't care about their jobs, don't have families and know perfectly well their current relationships will probably be over within the week. "About nothing" doesn't mean nothing happens in the episode, it means there's no point to anything that happens in any episode.
According to Larry David himself, the show is about where comedians get their material. That's hardly "nothing" — the "show about nothing" business came only much later.
I always assumed it was the above entry; it has no obvious moral or Plot Parallel attached to every episode. There's no intentional morals (aside from lying only makes things worse) and no real point to the plot.
Whatever happened to the woman who was impregnated by George due to a defective condom?
She turned out not to be pregnant at the end of the episode. Then she disappeared like every other girlfriend of the week, presumably because they broke up in between episodes.
I do believe she broke up with George upon seeing his rather odd eating habits (gobbling up some pasta like a pig) at the end of the episode. Her face says "Wow, even if he did care for me...would I want this hog as the father of my children?"
She wasn't pregnant, since she mentioned she got her period. A better question is what happened to the woman Kramer got pregnant.
By the time Susan and George were to be married, she was no longer employed at NBC after she was fired because George kissed her in the meeting. It's not hard to imagine that her self-confidence was crushed by her losing that very prestigious and very well-paying job.
Just going by "The Engagement" here, but George said it took a few hours to convince her, and she didn't seem to love George so much as have a "Okay, I'll marry you, but only if you bend to my every whim" deal with him.
Another one about George: so, is he like the adult version of Charlie Brown? I ask and put it that way because the happiness and confidence he gained from doing the opposite only seemed to last for that episode.
My guess is that George was too insecure, self-destructive and generally petty to keep it up. Doing the opposite for George would eventually involve having to forgive minor (probably non-existent) slights and acting emotionally mature, and he just couldn't pull it off for long.
By the end of the episode George had landed a new apartment, a job with the Yankees, and a date with a good looking woman; my guess is it went to his head and he figured he didn't need to expend the mental effort to figure out what the "exact opposite" of his regular reaction to every single decision was anymore (after all, a previous episode showed that roughly 90% of his mental faculties are focused on obsessing about sex anyway).
I don't get why Deena refuses to pay for the repairs to or replacement of George's LeBaron ("the John Voight Car") when it burned down after her father messed around with it in "The Gum". Her father does who knows what to George's car, it catches fire. Pretty obvious that his messing around caused the fire, so why does she refuse to pay for it?
2) She herself didn't cause the damage.
3) She was a bitch.
As for her not causing the damage, since her father was no longer capable of taking care of himself or running his auto shop, she was still responsible for his actions.
How come Elaine had to wait for the Rabbi to talk to the dog's owner before the problem with it could be fixed? Surely the other tenants in that apartment were also bothered by the dog's barking. On the other hand, the Universe probably rearranged itself to make Elaine the Butt Monkey.
If the real-life Soup Nazi was so angry over his portrayal, angry enough to ban anyone associated with Seinfeld from his soup stand, why is he perfectly okay with bragging about his Seinfeld connection on the packages of his soup products? Hypocrite, much?
Why did Puddy suddenly become really religious in one of the last episodes? There was never any reference or mention of him being religious before (or hardly any afterwards, for that matter). Not only that, but if he is so religious, how did he not know that he was living in sin by sleeping around with Elaine?
The joke is his suddenly self-declaration as a Christian comes out of left field (not convinced that it's a funny joke, mind). And I'm sure we've all met people who profess to be part of a religion, yet seem strangely ignorant of basic features of it.
Or, it's just not the centre of their lives and the only thing they talk about.
Or he's just not a straw representation of a religious person.
The fact that he never brought up his Christianity before, in itself, could suggest that he considers religion a private matter and doesn't talk about it much. But the fact that he lacks the information that fornication is a sin under his faith demonstrates that he is a really lousy Christian. But this is Puddy we're talking about — should this be surprising?
What was up with Tim Whatley? I mean, he completely changes his looks with each of his appearances on the show: first he had shaggy hair and a beard, then he shaved off the beard, then he cut his hair really short and grew the beard again, then he shaved the beard off again. Was that intentional, and if so, on whose part (was it the actor's decision, or the writers or producers)?
It was probably just Watley/Brian Cranston going through phases or figuring out a style. Since Cranston grew the beard for Breaking Bad, I'd lean more towards it being his decision. We've all gone through phases and changed images, after all.
It's been a long time since I've seen the episode so I might be missing something, but in the one where George gets in trouble with his boss for comparing him to another African American and having it misinterpretted as the "all black people look the same" racial remark, and resorts to getting his black exterminator to tag along and agree about his boss's resemblance, why does he need to hide the fact that he's an exterminator? When the exterminator lets that slip George makes up a hasty excuse that that's just his nickname, and when his boss finds out the truth he realizes George's ploy simply because of the lie making it obvious. Why not just say "Yes, my friend works as an exterminator" the first time?
George is shown to not be the brightest bulb.
Does stand-up comedy pay really well? I'm trying to figure it out: earlier episodes were book-ended with Jerry's standup routines, but the rest of the series were "Day in the Life Of" style episodes, where Jerry seems to have a ridiculous amount of free time for a grown man... plus, there was even an episode where his parents flew in because they assumed he was in a financial rut after reading an article about how standup as a business wasn't as good as it used to be. I'm just wondering if, in a realistic scenario, Jerry was able to afford living in a decent, rent-controlled apartment in NYC just on his standup alone?
Well, Jerry Seinfeld actually did it. But yes, a single gig at a reasonably sized club can easily bring in over $50,000, and larger clubs in the hundreds of thousands, just one of which would easily pay for a year's rent in an apartment like Jerry's. Plus, standup comedy does leave a decent amount of free time during the day.
I think I may have found something of a plothole in "The Mom and Pop Store": Kramer is concerned that Mom and Pop's might have to go out of business, because apparently some gourmet coffee and cookie shop wants their spot, so Kramer tries to boost business by bringing in Jerry's sneakers to be cleaned, right? Even Mom and Pop comment that if it wasn't for Kramer, they'd have to close up because he keeps them in business. Then, later, after Kramer points out all the loose wiring sticking out of their ceiling, prompting them to call an electrician who cites them for the error and says if they can't fix the problem, he has to report them to his supervisor... by this time, Mom and Pop are outraged that they can't afford to fix the problem, "48 years, Mom! And now we have to close, all because of that idiot, and his bloody nose!" Then later, when they do, in fact, close, Kramer is dumbfounded. So did the writers end up forgetting about the gourmet coffee and cookie shop? Because it suddenly seems apparent that Mom and Pop were doing so well all these years up until Kramer pointed out their loose wiring, and that he was practically responsible for them closing.
Given that they were apparently just scraping by, it's entirely possible that the inspection issues were what finally pushed them over the edge. Kramer is responsible for them shutting down because either they have to pay for the repairs (which they can't afford), or close because of the inspector. The coffee shop is still looking to buy, it's just that the Mom and Pop shoe store was doing well enough to keep them at bay until Kramer screwed them over.
Also, from "The Voice", why exactly did Darrin go to jail, and not Kramer? The whole oil bladder idea was Kramer's, and he was the one who dropped it out the window and unwittingly onto Jerry's Girl of the Week, while Darrin went along with the whole idea because Kramer was his mentor (and because he obviously couldn't think for himself). So yeah, I just never understood why Darrin was the one who was, "Going away for a long, long time", yet Kramer got off scot-free.
Kramer probably got into some wacky shenanigans offscreen that wound up with Darrin getting all the blame and him getting off. A better question might be why Darrin never showed up in the finale, but Kramer's stranger adventures all seem to occur where we can't see them. The show said it best;
If the waitress in the pilot was meant to be the show's female lead, why would the producers decide the show needed one?
I don't believe the waitress was meant to be the actual female lead, but rather, just a female character who was going to have a strong presence on the show (like certain recurring characters who may have only appeared in a small number of episodes, but are so memorable and popular, you feel like they've been in a hundred). Also, it wasn't the producers who decided the show needed a female lead, NBC forced them to include a female in the main cast because they thought the show was "too male" and needed to reach out to the female demographic as well. IIRC, Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld felt the waitress in the pilot was too much of a Deadpan Snarker to put up with on a weekly basis, so they created Elaine as the new female lead.
In The Bris, why didn't the hospital compensate George for the cost of his car repairs? The whole thing was their fault! They let a mentally ill patient walk around without security, and apparently have lax roof and window access in a hospital that cares for the suicidal. George was fully within his rights to ask them to pay for their mistake. Their insurance policy should have covered the costs.
And George's insurance should have covered it as well.
Maybe he only had state-minimum insurance, which wouldn't cover something as random as a suicide. George Costanza having crappy insurance makes sense. A busy NYC hospital? Not so much.
When Jerry is given a van and Kramer responds to the ad, Jerry acts like he has no idea who called, even though he's talked to Kramer over the phone before.
In "The Finale", why exactly was Newman pretending to be a bum, by acting like he was sleeping in a car, under scraps of newspaper?
It didn't look like he was "pretending", and it's not entirely beyond Newman's characterization to be unwilling to pay for a hotel room. Plus, most of the hotels were probably booked up by the other characters.
Why are Kramer and Newman afraid of calling the police in "The Bottle Deposit"? The police would have no reason to inventory Newman's mailtruck, nor would they have any right, reason or even probable cause to search the truck; they're the one's who would have called them, not the suspects.
Jerry mentioned something to Elaine about Kramer's "record"; remember, after the whole dognapping incident, Kramer was spazzing out over it being a blemish on his permanent record, so I guess he and Newman both have a criminal history because of it, and are afraid the cops would see that, and then they would have possible reason to believe they're up to something suspicious.
Has absolutely nobody ever noticed that the exterior and the interior of the Costanzas' condo don't match? From the outside, they appear to live in the left unit of their particular building, but inside, they clearly live in the right unit. Didn't anybody on the production staff even notice this error?
Admittedly, it's hilarious, but seriously. How does a figure made of fusilli penetrate through Frank's pants AND underpants, to the point where he has to visit the proctologist to have it removed? Either that's some really strong fusilli, or Frank has really flimsy pants.
Well, he was pushed down, so maybe there was enough force/velocity to his fall that something like that could very well happen, albeit a "million-to-one" shot like they say. I once tripped while carrying heavy boxes, and fell onto my knees, and even though I was wearing pants, my knees somehow were still scraped, so go figure.
If "Eric the Clown" doesn't know who Bozo is, or never heard of him before, then how does he know that George is, "Hung up on some clown from The Sixties"?
At the end of one episode, Jerry confronts his girlfriend with the fact that she's a phone sex operator. She gets angry and says she sells paper goods and tells Jerry not to call her any more. But then she goes right to Kramer and says in her sexy voice "you either," confirming she was the woman he was talking to on the 976 line. Why would she lie about her job and pretend to be indignant only to admit Jerry was right seconds later?
Because they hadn't "officially" broken up at that point where she tells him that she sells paper goods, it wasn't until after Elaine gets back at her in the bathroom for not sparing her a square earlier, and realizing not only was that Elaine who kept hounding her for a square, but that Elaine is one of Jerry's friends, that was the final straw for her, which is why then she tells him not to call her anymore... or Kramer either.
Whatever happened to Ping's lawsuit against Elaine? It was addressed in two episodes and it looked like Elaine was going to get sued for a lot of money, but then it's never addressed again.
George meets a pretty lawyer named Cheryl who turns out to be Ping's cousin and representing him in the case. Elaine meets her through George, they find their connection and they get along so well that Cheryl manages to convince Ping to drop the suit.
No, I'm referring to the end of "The Visa", when Cheryl re-opens the lawsuit after finding out that Jerry and co. are big liars. We never hear the results of that lawsuit after that episode.
Is anyone else besides me just sick and tired of the way Seinfeld on TV keeps getting cropped, recropped, squished, requished, letterbox, pillarbox, etc... why do they keep doing that? Why can't they just leave the show alone?!