Why didn't Samus press Adam for a reason why he was there? A General showing up is really, really suspicious for a simple SOS response.
Samus trusts Adam. She knew he must have his reasons for being there. Besides, almost the first words out of his mouth were that she was an outsider, and therefore not cleared to know why he was there, which kind of precludes any further discussion on the matter.
"Hello? Senate? This is Samus Aran, Galactic Hero calling. Yeah, I need a security clearance. No, an even higher one."
"Hello, Samus, this is the senator for your quadrant. We'll see about getting your security clearance at our next meeting, taking place in two weeks, after which we'll have to form a committee to study the feasibility of giving an independent bounty hunter authority over our duly promoted and designated officers. We'll get back to you as soon as we can." Seriously, people, bureaucracy. Even if Samus had that kind of pull, it takes forever to get that sort of thing done even if you're not talking about a secret project like breeding Metroids.
Then Adam can order her off the station, or arrest her. He can't order her around. He says he needs to ask her to work with them and follow his orders. The Marines work with Samus just fine in Prime 3. The woman is a walking WMD. She has destroyed planets. She should already have one of the highest security clearances available. And how does Adam know what her clearance is? How does he want her to work with them without telling her what's going on?
That isn't how security clearance works. People with "Top Secret" clearance are still not allowed to read the vast majority of Top Secret files. You also have to have a "Need To Know" the Top Secret information. Even if Samus does have top-level clearance, she has no "Need To Know" what is going on at the Bottleship.
Once Samus agrees to follow his orders, then yes, he can order her around. Because she agreed to follow his orders. She agreed to be under his chain of command. Whether she's a walking WMD or can blow up planets is completely irrelevant to whether or not she should have security clearance. A freelance agent with that kind of power is, in fact, exactly the opposite of the kind of person you want to give a free pass on knowing all of your secrets.
Plus, you know, the whole 'Samus= Metroid killstick ' thing.
How would she be unauthorized? There was a distress signal and she answered. The bottle ship is not a military vessel so Adam's talk about outsiders holds no relevance. Maybe if he has some sort of order from a higher authority to prove the case but he did not produce anything and under a government where bounty hunting is legal Samus would be more qualified to handle a civilian issue than a general.
This may belong in the discussion above about Character Derailment, but what possible reason could they have for having Samus have a Heroic BSOD when she sees Ridley? In the manga, at least, it was excusable, since she hadn't kicked his giant spiky tail yet. But after she's proven herself many, many times to be capable of besting him in combat, why is there a problem now?
Team Ninja was in charge of actually making the scenes, and they don't exactly have a reputation for having strong female characters. A few TN members have stated they wanted to make her as "appealing" as possible. And, as you may know, quite a few men like submissive, cowardly doormats.
Team Ninja only handled the programming and 3-D aspects. Everything story- and character-wise was Sakamoto.
I think it's partly a Super Smash Bros reference, partly the fact that the last time she saw Ridley he was on a planet that was VAPORIZED, (Ridley never had a death as "Final" as that, even in Corruption the Screen cuts before he explodes) partly that Samus is having a really bad week and mostly because they wanted to give Anthony a CMOA (and get Samus in her Zero Suit...)
If there's one good thing that came out of that scene, it's Anthony getting to let loose with his BFG and save Samus.
How much "Saving" did Anthony actually do anyway? From what I saw he was taken out like a punk, pressing Samus' Berserk Button and Snapping her out of her Heroic BSOD in the process.
It's actually very simple when you think about it. She, up to that point, thought that he had been destroyed for good. After defeating him for the first time, she comes to find out, in Prime, the the pirates simply rebuilt him from his remains using cybernetics. As such, she knew they had the technology to keep rebuilding (or, in Super's case, cloning) him. As such, it didn't come as much of a surprise when she faced him in Prime 3 and Super Metroid...it probably pissed her off, seeing the creature who murdered her parents right before her eyes constantly reappear, but it reached a point that she came to expect it. But then, after beating him in Super, the entire planet they were on was completely vaporized. The Space Pirates were practically gone, and, even if there were still a few survivors, there was nothing that they'd be able to clone/rebuild Ridley from. As such, she was reasonably convinced that he was gone for good, and that she had finally avenged her family. We eventually find out that some of his DNA was extracted from her suit and he was (unwittingly) cloned, but she had no way of knowing that. Either way, when you combine that with the fact that she's still a bit torn up over the death of the baby Metroid and having deeply mixed feelings about meeting Adam again, it's actually somewhat understandable that she freaked out when he appeared seemingly out of nowhere.
Expanding on this explanation I have two possible theories, 1. After killing Ridley and destroying Zebes, Samus felt pretty damn sure that he was dead for good and she could finally move on emotionally, then Ridley shows up again and tears those old wounds open again. Or 2. Samus has seen him missiled in the face, missiled in the face and lazered off a cliff (and exploded), missiled in the face and falling into a deep pit, missiled in the face and exploding, and finally missiled in the face, exploding, and then having the planet its self exploding, and even after all that, here he is again. No matter what she does, he will always find a way back, pretty sure mentally breaking for a bit is acceptable.
Also, remember that Samus was just as surprised as the player to discover that the weird bird rabbit thing was Ridley the whole time. For this gamer, the brain breaking implications of that were enough to cause a few seconds of hesitation. combine with the above, (the voldemort esque realization that the monster that killed your parents and kidnapped your ersatz adoptive child, both in front of your eyes as you were powerless to prevent it, is alive again and wont stay dead while his victims are never coming back,) then a momentary brown note isn't unreasonable from samus.
Regarding Prime being ignored, don't forget that they used Prime-style Super Missiles and brought back the Seeker Missiles.
Actually, she was that freaked out. She stays completely motionless for a while, despite Anthony and Adam's desperate calls, petrified in the way one would end up committed to an asylum for. And her suit fades away without wall contact or damage, which becomes obvious when the scene is compared to the following boss fight.
It should be noted that the length of time Samus spends standing there in front of Ridley (as measured by the progress of the cutscene) is, from the moment she turns into a little girl to the moment Ridley grabs her, is fourty seconds. Even if we ignore half of that (due to being with Adam, though there's no sense that this overlapped with any particular time), that's still a solid twenty seconds of her standing there doing nothing. So I submit that "that freaked out" is a legitimate description of this.
This article completely justifies Samus' hesitation and fear.
I still don't know about that. It might fly if Samus had shown signs of PTSD before this. But she didn't. Even in Super Metroid (assuming the Prime trilogy is not canon), when she would have thought him dead, and he surprised her at Ceres, she still tried to fight him off, rather than just freezing up. The issue isn't whether she has PTSD, the issue is that it's not plausible for her to suddenly develop it like that. There is precedent for this in the manga, but at best it's still contradicted by events in the games themselves.
How exactly do you expect them to show PTSD in a sidescroller almost completely devoid of cutscenes or dialogue? I'm calling Gameplay and Story Segregation on this one.
I'm not sure how that is relevant. Yes, showing that in a sidescroller without dialog is difficult. However, that's kinda the point: because they didn't show it in Super Metroid or any other prior game, it comes right out of nowhere and seems out of place in Other M.
There's a good reason as to why it might be relevant. It's because the first Metroid games 1.) Never had this in mind (hell, the first game made us believe that she was a HE. How in the hell could we delve into all of her fears and doubts if we don't even know the true gender of the character until the end of the first game?), and 2.) Technical limitations of the NES and SNES cartridges. The Metroid games are known to be MASSIVE games with lots of gameplay hours and secrets (and Nintendo got somewhat crazy with them in their games late into the SNES' life). How could they fit in much of any character development into a game where memory and technology is limited (Super Metroid came out around the time the Playstation and Ninetndo 64 were being developed)? After Super, there was no Metroid game until Prime and Fusion, and Fusion was the first time we found out that Samus actually had any back story.
Samus didn't show any PTSD signs in the Prime series either, and those games are perfectly capable of showing cutscenes. Overall, the main issue people have with Samus freaking out is the fact that it simply contradicts how Samus has reacted to Ridley in almost every other Metroid game. Even Zero Mission, which is a remake of the first Metroid (with cutscenes!), still has Samus beat Ridley without hesitation.
It's debatable whether or not the Prime series is even canon, as I've seen somewhere that Retro stated something about if the Prime games are in the main canon or something completely out of it. If they are not, then we can't base anything on the Prime games.
She never showed any reaction, mostly because they weren't programmed into the games because they weren't made to flesh out her character. Other M is the first Metroid game that lets Samus show emotions and expressions.
They could have made Samus motionless in the same way that Mother Brain makes her in Super Metroid. And yes, did show reaction before, quite memorable reactions in Fusion and Prime 3.
Are you implying that each other time she fought Ridley, she completely blanked out?
The problem isn't that Samus has PTSD. The problem is that the only other time in the series that she's shown to have it (the manga), a subplot is her coping and moving past it.
As an aside, on the one hand, it's not unlikely or unrealistic for Samus to have PTSD. On the other hand, it is unlikely and unrealistic for Samus to have come as far as she has without having an effective coping strategy to get through crisis situations or panic attacks. That's roughly how it'd work in real life. So there's a whole chicken-or-egg thing that sort of complicates any arguments.
One way to look at it is that she's always been terrified of Ridley, but was able to muscle through it and fight him off through sheer force of will. With him having (seemingly) been destroyed for good, she was finally at peace in regards to her past with him, and was thus caught completely off-guard when he suddenly reappeared. The realization that the vaporization of an entire planet wasn't enough to keep him from returning hit her like a ton of bricks, thus she finally snapped. Anthony's apparent death snapped her out of it, just enough to fight him off as she always did.
In Super Metroid, she would have assumed that Ridley died in Metroid. An explosion wouldn't have made her think that he was more dead.
There's a huge difference though. In the original game, it was only Tourian that blew up. Ridley was defeated in Norfair, which wasn't anywhere near Tourian. But in Super, the entire planet went up. Also, assuming the Prime series is canon, she would have already face Ridley three times (twice as Meta Ridley and once as Omega Ridley) by then.
So he died on Zebes? A lot of things dead on Zebes were back to bug her because of cloning. At no point does she say to herself "These idiots might have cloned that dragon too."? In Super Smash Bros Brawl Ridely really did come out of nowhere, not so much here. Finally killed him should have been moot since this was clone, something she's seen already and should have expected. If anything is breaking her down it is not PSTD, because it doesn't work that way. She already knew seeing his clone was a high possibility and would have shown those signs earlier. Her only prior grief is over Adam and a baby. The people she is working with, Adam, the one yelling in her ear, they are the problem. After being put through unnecessary restrictions for five hours their ineptitude to clone the most dangerous thing they could by accident left her Dumb Struck and horrorified, which at that point, input from her semi abusive father figure only made things worse.
I can't believe nobody has mentioned this article.http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html. After reading it, everything makes sense. Basically, the game's entire story depicts Samus' worship of Adam. She worships him, to the point that she loses her nerve and even her personality becomes an extension of his. Therefore when Ridley comes back from the dead, she is vulnerable. Sadly, when around Adam, she needs a "big strong man" to save her. The man she worships is around, so she relies and indeed needs him. When he is not around or can't help her, she picks up the pace, becoming stronger. Besides the abuse, when he is present, she is weakened. She can't even think for herself. And that is also why she never dons the varia suit until told.
That article has been shown to death, though, if that's the one I'm thinking about. It's been used a lot to show the flaws of the game, though you've put a good spin on what it could mean when you think about what another tab on this page stated: that in Fusion, the AI DOES bring up her submission, meaning that this was clearly by design and is intended to make us ask why. Perhaps an intended plot hole in order to make us want another game that delves further into this sub plot.
So, in the epilogue, what was the deal with Samus not donning the faster, quicker, and more agile Power Suit instead of her heeled Zero Suit during a self-destruction sequence?
She uses her regular arm to hold her cannon as she fires it. If she had changed, she wouldn't have been able to hold Adam's helmet, making the purpose of her return entirely pointless.
Plus she is known to be more agile in Zero Suit.
Calling bull on that one. The only game in which the Zero Suit is playable (Not counting the non-canon Brawl) is Zero Mission, and she's less mobile in the Zero Suit in that game.
Actually she is. She can jump higher than the standard Power Suit in Zero Mission and at the same height as the High Jump upgrade gives while you're in the suit. Smash Bros. Brawl also makes her more agile while she's in her Zero Suit, so that likely influenced Other M's depiction.
Brawl did, in Zero Mission there wasn't any feat of agility she couldn't pull off with the suit outside of pure jumping height, she jumps higher when the suit doesn't have any of its mobility upgrades. She had the space jump so that point is mute. She runs faster in the suit and can barrel through walls in it so speed isn't an issue. The cannon can open up like a pseudo claw, which if Prime 3 is ignored then maybe she would still need both hands but from the arguments on this page it apparently wasn't so it wasn't to free hands...
Why the HELL are the GF troops in this game using far less advanced equipment than the ones from Metroid Prime 2 and 3? Regular bullets? REALLY?
In Prime 2 and 3, the troopers we saw were the marines - special forces, if you will. It makes sense for them to have better equipment.
The troopers in Prime 2 used bullets, too.
As stated above, Sakamoto ignored the Prime series.
I think that "ignored" is a bit strong, and even in Echoes it's been demonstrated they use bullets as Haley's scan mentioned running out of ammo (I actually think that federation regular weapons use solid rounds in a sort of energy sheath because there's no way regular bullets glow like they do in the ending.)
You're missing the point, their rounds in Prime 2 were ammo based but they were not regular bullets. This is evident from scanning the grenchler they killed.
The Federation Army presumably has access to inferior projectile technology than the Federation marines, since energy projectiles are seen on Federation androids ingame.
In fusion the Federation supplies Samus with power ups for her modified suit so its not like they do not have the technology to do it.
Why would they put MB in a body that could toss around a dude like a rag doll? That's not only completely unnecessary, but insures that if the AI were ever to go rogue that it would just be so much harder to stop.
Considering they're made of FUCKING STEEL, an android would likely be naturally be stronger than a human of the same size. (as for why they wouldn't use a weaker creature as the template, I doubt the Metroids would give a Zoomer or Zebesian the time of day, and using a Chozo would risk activating the Mother Brain personality which would be Bad
Being made of metal doesn't automatically make something super strong. There's little reason to make the mechanisms so much more powerful than needed.
Also, why didn't they have a remote shut-off? There should be no need to physically drag an active robot off to be disassembled.
What's the deal with Samus's actions when meeting Madeline? She was following a GF trooper, one she had reason to suspect was killing members of the facility and who had sabotaged part of the route behind himself, into the room where Madeline was hiding. After their lengthy conversation, Samus gives herself a new mission and heads out the way she came. She never secures the area, and since she never came across the trooper, it means he must be in the same room as Madeline or past her. This is irresponsible of Samus, even her belief that Adam is able to help comes into question, and sure enough, the trooper encounters Madeline moments after she leaves.
Simple answer? The threat of a new generation of Metroids distracted her. Even the galaxy's most experienced bounty hunter messes up sometimes.
So the Federation succeeded in creating Metroids that were immune to ice. Then what about the Omega Metroid at the end of Fusion, which you can only kill with the Ice Beam?!
All of the uber-Metroids were killed when Sector Zero exploded. Also, the people who created said Metroids were a minority group within the Federation, operating secretly because the research was illegal. Adam says that the majority of the Federation took his advice about the dangers of such a project seriously, so they probably destroyed the research that lead to Ice-immune Metroids, or classified it so high that the researchers at B.S.L. couldn't access it.
Another explanation is... Adam was making shit up. He said "It is likely that the Sector Zero Metroids are immune to ice", and the only other person to reinforce that opinion is Samus herself; neither Madeline or Melissa say anything about the uber Metroids. Samus and Adam come up with weak justifications ("It was too young" and "It was in the control group") with no evidence to support them, further indicating that the Metroids are not actually immune to cold.
The real question, for those who played Metroid II, is why were you using ice to kill an Omega Metroid. Let's just says this director has made good games but is not the best story teller, especially when it comes to consistency. Hell, the Queen Metroid in this game is nothing like the one Metroid II beyond superficial appearance.
People complain about the Ridley scene, but there is another cutscene that is far more controversial yet receives a fraction of the attention: Why the hell did Adam shoot Samus as she was about to walk into Sector Zero?! When Samus even asks him that, he basically dodges the question and quickly changes the subject to talking about unfreezable Metroids. There was absolutely no need for him to resort to such an extreme measure (Seriously, he had to have used a very powerful round considering it knocked her out and deactivated her suit) when all he had to do was just call out to her to wait.
Perhaps if he just called her she would likely just ignore him, and so therefore he had to physically impede her progress. If she's down for a while, she can't easily object to what he plans to do.
Up to this point in the game, Samus has shown every intention of following Adam's orders (the only times she doesn't is when she isn't in direct contact with him). If he simply said, "Wait a second, before you go in there...", instead of shooting her and leaving her defenseless for a good 15 seconds as an enemy circles her body, that scene still could have maintained its dramatic impact.
They had to give Adam his Heroic Sacrifice. Still doesn't make much sense; after all, Power Bombs are as good Metroid killers as Ice+Missiles.
No they're not. Power bombs do hurt SR 388 strain metroids, BUT it takes 3 power bombs to kill even 1. These aren't the weak Tallon metroids from the Prime games here, where even the basic power beam can hurt them and a power bomb instant kills them, these are SR 388 metroids, like in Super. Taking out goodness knows how many metroids with power bombs, when it takes at least 3, would just not have been feasible. With the way Other M does power bombs, what with a slow charge up to use, a very slow cooldown afterward, and it taking 3 to kill one metroid, Samus would not have made it.
We don't even know they're immune to the ice beam though! There is some evidence they can survive in arctic conditions. So? The icebeam freezes things in the ice sector just fine. It also freezes creatures living in fucking lava. That's not arctic. That's colder than liquid nitrogen. There's no good reason to suspect that making them less susceptible to frigid environments made them completely immune to freezing. Power bombs might not be feasible, okay, but how much damage did Adam need to cause anyway? It looked like he went in there with just rifle and sidearm. He didn't bring anything that could be set as a timed explosive? There wasn't anything on the ship that could be used as such? It was an extremely dangerous mission, granted, but there was no reason he couldn't have survived.
Whoever went in there was on a suicide mission. When too much damage was done, the door would seal and Sector Zero would disengage. Samus's Power Bombs would definitely cause such damage, and, as Adam himself admitted, he's not as good a fighter as Samus: he couldn't take down Ridley. It was a good tactical move he made, and on top of that, he didn't want to see Samus die. "I'm no galactic savior. I'm merely human. But I can save you."
Yes, but he could've also done this without fucking shooting her.
No, he couldn't. In the power suit Samus could have easily over powered Adam; something she was trying to do, even with it offline.
Even without the suit she's supposedly much stronger than him, thanks to Czho-tampering and all that.
If all it took to make Sector Zero detach and self-destruct was to "cause enough damage" to it, why couldn't Samus and Adam just head back to the docking bay, take off in their ships, and blast Sector Zero with enough firepower to make it do so without endangering their lives?
Do either of their ships have weapons? This version of Samus's ship has never been shown equipped with weapons: that's what her other ship is for. The GF ship looked more like a troop transport than a warship (why would they send a space battle-capable ship on an infiltration mission on an unarmed spaceship? All it had to do was dock). And even assuming they did have weapons, they are small, fighter-sized spacecraft. The Bottleship is enormous. I seriously doubt that any weapons they could mount on those ships could do much more than scratch the Bottleship's hull.
I think it boils down to this: Adam knows Samus is very hard headed and stubborn so even if she did stop to listen to Adam, Samus would run off to do a pointless Heroic Sacrifice just to stop the ice immune Metroids. Remember how Samus wanted to sacrifice her life to stop the X parasites in Metroid Fusion? Adam told her that all she would wind up doing is remove the X's only threat. Herself. Adam had to do something drastic to stop Samus so that he can get her to listen and then he could do what he had to do without her getting in the way.
Samus didn't like the computer, at least until she realized it was Adam. She was willing to listen to Adam, and showed no signs of going against him, even when she didn't like it. When out of radio contact she went off to do her own thing sure, but if he got close enough to see, then radio contact should have been back right? So he could have at least tried talking her down before shooting, it worked before during that thing with his brother. Everyone's ignoring that point, that and timed. Even explosive. Just leave the area after setting a timer, then there won't be enough damage to automatically lock anyone in.
If we ignore that powerbombs can kill metroids, that the Ice beam freezes things in arctic(and volcanic) areas, that Mother Brain killed the super metroid without using ice attacks, it should still be noted that Metroids can be moved around by kinetic energy. It may not hurt them, but a bomb will still force their mandibles apart, thus forcing them to release their prey. A timed mission would have worked just fine probably would not be any worse than the hell run.
Why does Adam and Samus's communication system go down after the Ridley fight? The cutscene before the fight shows the earpiece falling off of Adam's ear, but why does that happen? Even if it was an accident, why doesn't he just put it back on? It's not like he's in a hurry, since he doesn't depart for Sector Zero until the conversation between Samus and MB, as the postgame sequence shows... Which in turn means he could still see and hear what Samus was doing after the Ridley fight (he hurries to Sector Zero as soon as she expresses her decision to go there herself)... But he didn't bother talking to her? Hhhhaaargh!
I'm still confused about that one. Probably the Deleter finished hacking the communication system. Especially considering how Samus proved herself to be an even bigger threat. Leaving her alone would be easier to deal with. Strangely enough Adam was able to hear Samus all the time...
I think it was just supposed to make it seem like Adam was shot by the Deleter. Chalk it up to bad implementation. Maybe it's because Adam didn't have the proper authorization to resume communications or something...
Yup, after watching the cutscenes again in movie mode, it's obvious they made it look like Adam is reached and shot by the Deleter. However, it seems only his earpiece gets hit and he doesn't even notice; the Deleter then leaves it at that and goes to Sector One (with Samus in pursuit as soon as she returns to the Main Sector from Sector Three), maybe thinking he did get Adam. It's the only explanation that makes superficial sense, but it requires a series of Idiot Balls so huge I don't even want to think about it.
Not to mention that if HAD been shot at, one would hope he would mention it to Samus when he caught up with her...
Perhaps he WAS attacked by the Deleter, fought him off, and then when he got back to the comm, Samus was already talking to MB? Doesn't explain why he couldn't just raise her on the comm to go, "Going to Sector Zero is a BAD IDEA," rather than going there himself, though. Hmmm...as to why he didn't mention the attack to Samus, though, that one's simple. Adam is very military in his behavior, and one facet of that is need-to-know. Samus already knows there's a traitor. He's been monitoring her activity, so he knows that she knows. She doesn't need to know that he was attacked because it provides no useful information into the matter, so he doesn't tell her.
Well, it can't be. Samus actually follows the Deleter into Sector One, so it means Adam's hypotethical scuffle with him had already ended. I'm just going to assume he then authorized himself to go to the restroom (turning communications off to avoid Samus hearing him on the toilet) and came back when she was talking to MB. There, case closed.
Why didn't they include flashbacks to Samus past as a child? Many of the events that appeared in the manga, such as the death of Samus parents, and the training she recieved from the Chozo would have fit the game so well.
I don't know, but it would work. The lack of human contact and spartan lifestyle would leave Samus quite out of the loop in real life, which can explain her behavior as a new recruit and some of it later on.
It was said that the developers actually had to shave off a few seconds from the cutscenes that are already on the game just to get everything to fit onto the disk. Any more would have been too much for it to handle. As nice as having flashbacks to child Samus would be, the cutscenes that are on the game are much too important to the plot at hand to throw out and replace with Samus's parent's being killed.
They could have at least done then with in-engine graphics. I found it very disappointing, especially because many and I mean MANY of the interviews and the infamous live-action TV commercial (past is prologue) hinted that the game was going to explore deeply into Samus past. But it barely scratches the surface. Samus talks a lot about how "her dark past left her with an uneasy soul" and also how she "lost her parents at a young age", but the game never explores that territory. We never get to know how Ridley killed her parents, how she met Anthony or Adam, how she obtained her Powersuit, etc. This would not be a problem if, as I said before, the hype and the information given in interviews of this game hadn't been so misleading. It still bugs me though, because they truly wasted a good plot. I do not feel offended by Samus' monologues or more sensitive side, but is hard to feel attached to her if you only get Show, Don't Tell.
The answer to this is both simple and obvious. If you're telling the story of Samus, then including details of her upbringing by aliens would be a big part of that. At least mentioning that she was raised by them would be something. Even the instruction manuals of most games did that, right? Therefore, if the story doesn't do these things, then it's probably because the story is not Samus's story (or is being told very poorly). So, what are all of the flashbacks about? Adam. Metroid: Other M is the story of Adam, not Samus. It's simply told from her perspective. That's why they don't talk about the Chozo; they're important to the story of Samus but irrelevant to the story of Adam.
Why did the developers left the rest of the characters with so little development? I mean, some of them just say one sentence before appearing dead. Not even Anthony or Adam get enough character development. K.G is the most egregious example, his only sentence in the entire game is at the very beggining: "Got it!", during the Mission Briefing. You don't even get to see his corpse! I don't know why did they bother to even give the characters any names, they should have left them as faceless red shirts instead.
Why was Madeline so broken up over MB getting shot? It was just an android avatar: the actual AI could easily have jumped to or been residing in a computer (the former seems to be implied), and would most certainly have a few backup servers and maybe an extra body or two she made for herself. Really, the only way for MB to be completely killed would be to either scrub the entire Bottle Ship's computer system clean or launch it into a sun.
Seeing as the myriad Zebesian creatures halted their attack the instant MB's body was destroyed, it's safe to assume that the AI was destroyed when that happened. Either that, or it was powerless to act without its android body, in which case the AI was destroyed when the Bottleship was blown up days later, so even if she didn't kill it directly, Madeline took away its only means of defense, condemning MB to powerlessly wait for its demise. (Wow, that last line sounds far worse, actually.)
All the computer systems were wiped clean if you remember, they had a hard time just getting pard of the exposition document.
Actually, the memory was still intact, it was the CPU's (aka processors) that were destroyed. Though this does beg the question of how they were able to turn on the computers at all. (Or it could have been a writer who knows nothing about computers trying to sound technical.)
The game itself never states that Melissa was the android avatar of MB; it says that it was MB. That they put their Mother Brain AI into a female android.
Admittedly, this might be part of the whole backlash against Samus' new personality, but honestly the whole complete ignoring of Samus' relationship with the Chozo to focus on Adam kinda pissed me off. The Chozo raised her. They were family. They gave her the Suit and have been her companions at a distance for most of her adventures, leaving assistance and artifacts to help save the galaxy. Admittedly finding a father figure your own species has got to be a huge relief, but going so far to say he's the only father figure she's ever known? Bullshit.
The Chozo are also kind of extinct, with the possible exception of a few like Old Bird who are living in hiding. And the other candidate is Mother Brain, which turned into a deranged would-be conqueror of the universe and is also dead. Adam may not be the only one she's ever known, but given that he's the only one alive, it may feel like it to her in her current state. Yeah, it's a bit of a Hand Wave, but what are you going to do?
If Samus' suit is made out of Hard Light that goes away when she's not thinking of it, then why did they have to remove it in Fusion, which takes place after Other M?
The X had infected it. This probably caused a few malfunctions.
Retcon. I think it was the Prime series that introduced the idea of the Hard Light suit? Prior to that, it was just an awesome suit of Power Armor.
Prime 1 had the suit as a conventional Power Armor that had to be painstakingly taken on and off physically, as Samus removing the helmet with her hand showed. It was Zero Mission that introduced the Hard Light suit (not to be confused with the Light Suit), which came out about 9 months before Echoes did.
She was conscious, but infected and delirious. She must have still been concentrating on some level, likely due to associating the suit with fighting, and trying to fight the infection.
The bit where the suit goes away when not thinking about it put Samus at risk at least twice during this mission. It's possible that after the events of Other M Samus realised what a bizarrely terrible idea it is to have armour that disappears when you get distracted and had it changed to require a conscious decision to remove the suit.
Real women wear dresses plenty, but no woman would ever wear high heels in a combat zone, especially not an experienced combatant. Whoever made the design choice to, in addition to pumping up Samus's rack to Lara Croft proportions, put high heels on the Zero Suit needs to be punched.
I didn't notice any change to her breasts. They were always really freaking big.
Fusion's artwork suggests otherwise (blame Zero Mission)
Okay. Doesn't excuse the HIGH FREAKIN' HEELS, though! What is this? BULLETWITCH!?
This is Samus we're talking about, destroyer of worlds, slaughterer of Space Pirates and bane of Metroids. If she wants to try out high heel-like attachments to her suits, she's welcome to it.
Team Ninja would likely be the culprit. They're known for forcing sex-appeal and the like even when it doesn't make any sense.
TN has said Sakamoto was in charge of the project. Just about everything can be laid, personally, at his feet. Presumably including Samus' feet. He certainly made a point to include Samus' mole, which he considered canon but hasn't been depicted before.
What's with the whole "Ridley has returned from the dead lots of times, so why is she freaked out this time?" If you follow the continuity closely enough, this is the first time he's returned from the dead, and the first time he's returned, period, without some sort of advance warning — an early appearance before the proper battle, logs, etc. In Metroid: Zero Mission (or Metroid NES), he's apparently killed... but logs before his appearance in Prime show that he actually survived. And she still freezes up the first time she actually sees him, flying away from the Freighter. Next, in Metroid Prime 3, he shows up in the attack on Norion before you actually fight him... and although he's defeated, it's hinted he survived — you never see him disintegrate, and Samus' Ship doesn't count him as killed in its statistics. Then, in Super Metroid, he does indeed return in an initial battle, confirming that he survived. Then he's killed, and just to be sure, the entire planet he's on is destroyed. Then he comes back from the dead here, with no warning. Yes, he's survived against odds before, but, canonically, this is the first time he actually outright resurrected. Which changes everything, since the difference between "How does he keep surviving?" and "NO! I killed you! This is impossible!" is pretty stark.
I'm quite sure she assumed he was dead in Metroid. It's not like flew away after the battle, or even expected him to.
You're wrong about Prime. Ridley appears in person aboard the Orpheon, while the logs detailing his survival are found inside the Pirate base on Phendrana drifts, a full two to three hours after the fact. In fact, the "Fall of Zebes" log found before Ridley is encountered even implies he's dead by claiming that all ground personal that were on Zebes are considered dead by the crew of the Orpheon. Furthermore, Samus doesn't "freeze up" when she encounters him, she simply reacts with surprise for a moment and cautiously waits to see what he's going to do, completely different than allowing him to attack her.
I apologize for my error with Ridley — I haven't played the relevant portions of Prime in a while... but that does nothing to invalidate my original point, and, as pointed out, what you state is Alternate Character Interpretation. She freezes and fails to attack upon seeing Ridley, allowing him to get away — anything about why she did it is guesswork. It could be as you said... but it could be because she was simply shocked and horrified to see him after his apparent death, or an attack of PTSD — either of which would fit perfectly with her reaction in Other M.
OR, we can use our brains here, instead of jumping on the idiotic PTSD bandwagon. When she encountered Ridley suspended in the Orpheon, he was inactive, and the place was about to explode. She had no time to waste trying to destroy a, technically, dead enemy. When she was out of the Orpheon, and she watched Ridley escape, let us THINK: The space station has exploded, she barely made it out of the reactor shaft, all of her equipment was irreparably damaged in the explosion, the space station was currently on a crash course with Tallon IV, and then the robotic Ridley, an opponent whom she does not know the full extent of the upgrades done to his body, and the resulting combat ability improvements, flies off of the ship with no intent of fighting with her. Even the most suicidally brave person would not be moronic as to attempt to engage Meta-Ridley. She had none of her powers, her foe had unknown combat abilities, and the Orpheon was CRASHING. Ignoring the fact that Ridley is not stupid, and he would simply have stayed out of Samus' range until she burned up with the Orpheon, there was no way in hell she was going pierce his armor with her arm cannon alone. There is no Alternate Character Interpretation at all here. There's just common sense.
There's a difference between not attacking right away while your target is at a distance, and outright freezing while your target is bearing down on you and your CEO is yelling for you to open fire.
Samus apparently has PTSD. But if that's the case, shouldn't she have frozen up several other times throughout her career, not just when facing Ridley? (I admit, I am not terribly familiar with PTSD. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.)
It depends on the cause of the PTSD. Since Samus' PTSD stems from Ridley killing and eating her parents in front of her, only things that remind her of that even would trigger it. Facing Ridley is the only example shown in canon, but other things that could cause her to freeze up would be seeing another member of Ridley's species or returning to the ruins of K-2L. Someone taunting her about it could even trigger it.
She likely would have found it difficult to discuss the topic, narration-wise. The oh-so ci
PTSD is the equivalent magic faerie dust in this script. You can use it to explain why a hero has breakdowns at convenient moments without actually putting effort into setting up the conditions for said breakdown.
On a completely different note, why did Anthony never think to call Samus back after his escape? OK, so his com link wasn't fully functional, but according to Adam, they still had functionality in the nav rooms. Why did he never stop by one, plug in, call Samus, and say, "Hey there. You alright, Princess? Hopin' you made it out OK with old lizard-breath back there. Anyway, I managed to escape. I'm keepin' an eye out for KG and James, but if you need me for anythin', we can meet up in Sector 1, alright? Drop me a line sometime!"
He might have been cutoff from any available ones, or something to that effect.
Why did MB allow the Metroid Queen to kill Ridley? Sure, he was hurt badly, but he wasn't dead yet, and he could still have been a help to her efforts.
I don't think MB has 100% control over everything.
Ridley's scream makes any creatures nearby go apeshit. If anything, this effect probably hampers whatever control MB has over the Metroids and Zebesians. Sure, they might lose some overall combat effectiveness without that berserker boost, but MB probably thought that having control was more important.
Samus is officially 6'3, and yet Anthony's still noticeably taller than her. How tall'' is he?
I'm pretty sure that's 6'3'' in her armor.
It's without her armor, the armor only makes her a few inches taller.
Armor or not, Zero mission shows the height difference isn't too great, their shouldn't but much of one at all now that her "zero" suit has heels. He'd probably be between 7'1-7'4.
It's fairly clear that in Other M, the armor adds a good 8-12 inches to her height. She's taller than Adam in her suit, but she shorter than him out of it. Similarly, she's much shorter than Anthony when she's out of the suit, yet nearly his height while in it.
Not really, after all there are sceens where she loses her armor and does not become shorter. And where would the extra height be? Samus's eye line up with the visor and her boots don't have heels on them.
Why wasn't this game set before the Original Metroid/Zero Mission? Up until it was officially announced to take place after Super Metroid, I was under the impression that Other M would be Samus' very first mission, before she became the bounty hunter we all know and love. For a game that was supposed to delve into Samus' backstory and personality, along with flashbacks to Adam, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to take place in the years before Samus decided to operate solo and not have it be the second-most-current game in the series? It also feels like a lot of the story complaints would, at the very, very least, have a much better excuse if it was simply set as Samus' "first" first mission.
Because the director wanted to reference all his other titles, presumably a prequel that early would have a hard time referencing Super Metroid and Fusion without feeling too weird.
I really don't know how you got that impression. We see the scene where the baby metroid is killed by Mother Brain. That happened in Super Metroid. We had Adam saying "Any objections, lady?" so it was set before Fusion. I figured that would mean it was connecting Super Metroid to Fusion in some way. Which it did.
Super Metroid had inconsistencies with Metroid 2 despite being a direct sequel. The hand waves for that weren't until Prime 3(written by a different team). Other M isn't even consistent with Prime 3 despite coming right after it. This director is pretty creative in level design but isn't known for consistent narratives.
Like you said, the higher Metroid forms were—and they need specific environments to evolve into those forms, and those other forms have other weaknesses—they gain an immunity to cold, but become vulnerable to other attacks. I had presumed that Adam was talking about regular floating Metroids which had somehow retained their normal resilience in addition to losing the vulnerability to cold.
Adam is able to freeze a Metroid, however, with the justification that "It's in its larval form," and the Metroid larval form is the floating jellyfish thing. I guess Fusion already made Other M's mistake (The Omega Metroid at the end is only vulnerable to the ice beam), but it still irks me.
Both the SA-X and Samus herself used stacked beams to attack the Omega Metroid, meaning that it wasn't just the ice beam's effect, it was also wave and plasma. The Wave beam can go through many types of solid material such as glass and walls, and the plasma beam can pass straight through organic material and carapaces. The combination of these penetrative effects in addition to the Metroid weakness of ice let the beam both pass through and damage the Omega's internal organs. Why it's invulnerable to missiles is another matter, but since the Omega is invulnerable to even a charged Ice Diffusion Missile that implies that at least the Fusion clone is resistant to any attack that does not also penetrate its shell.
Is there any particular reason Samus, with her high-tech unparalleled super suit was just another soldier in a GF Police unit, albeit one reporting directly to a general? That would imply that they're some sort of special forces, but Samus isn't given any special responsibilities different from the other grunts, from what we see. And if they're special forces, why is Samus childish and immature? Adam is her first and only commander, but her first posting is in SpecFor even though she's obviously psychologically unsuited for it?
It might have been a self-imposed restriction by Samus so that she could gain experience fighting as a common soldier.
Who ordered Adam's team to the station? If they were some of the GF higher ups, and they had time to insert the traitor, why not just manufacture some pretext for them to not be there? They probably couldn't stop Samus, but if they have enough clout to make an entire secret space station, they can stop one squad from investigating. Adam even explicitly explains that They used the report he wrote explaining why the project was a bad idea, which means that they know he is opposed to it. The story can't even decide if he stumbled upon the joint after hearing the distress signal, or was sent there.
There is a split in the Federation. The Bottleship is an illegal research facility, not officially sanctioned by the Federation government. It's probably true that one or two higher-ups in the Federation are in on it, but they'd be in a minority. Getting one traitor onto the team is probably all they could do discretely. The last thing, after all, that they want is to have their identities revealed, and getting too Obstructive Bureaucrat on it would make other top officials suspicious of them.
When doesit ever say anything like that in game?
Adam's so-called sacrifice. He believes the Metroids are now immune to ice, and when shown otherwise he dismisses it because it had been an infant. He does not bother to check and make sure other parts of the ship are not infested with Metroids either (like the Metroid Queen that's hanging out in another room). So he proceeds to blow up the sector from within as opposed to taking it out from space (like what happens eventually in the game) or locking the area down so he has time to do whatever else he wanted to do before safely nuking the ship from space. He blows himself up with the Metroids, and surprise surprise not only were there Metroids on the ship and subject to being frozen, but a Metroid Queen to boot. Seems like Adam acted suicidally rash and didn't put an ounce of thought into his actions. And he's supposed to have a perfect military mind?
It was only the Metroids in that specific area that were supposed to be immune to ice, not all the Metroids. That's what made it a priority to destroy that section in particular. The other Metroids on the base could be dealt with conventionally—the ones in that section could not.
Yet how would Adam know that, especially after the baby Metroid demonstrated otherwise? It should have been enough to give him pause and get the facts straight before toodling off to blow himself up.
You mean besides Adam being the one who actually says it? He knows the ones in that section are ice-immune because he's spent the whole game up to that point elbow-deep in the ship's computers, and if I recall correctly he had some knowledge going in about what was going on there.
Adam does not actually know that the Metroids are ice-immune. He thinks it is very likely, a fact that is included in his dialogue.
When Samus is talking to MB, we cut to Adam, and he turns away from the screen while a gunshot goes off. The implication is that the saboteur killed him. Turns out he's fine, and he just rushed off to warn Samus. Of course, he could've just warned her over the radio, but that would make sense. But that's not the quibble; what was the gunshot?
I think it's implied that the Deleter (Heh) somehow missed. At close range. With a surprise attack. And then he just left. Yeah, this game is dumb.
So Adam goes into Sector Zero, is killed when it blow up, and his remains, if any, are somewhere within a very large volume of space, inside the remains a very large debris-filled section. So how on earth was Adam in Fusion based on him? Was it scanned before this mission, somehow? If it's protocol to upload the minds of great leaders and scientists, wouldn't the political faction behind the bottle ship do their best not to give the Adam AI to the rebellious bounty hunter they can't control?
Probably they periodically scanned his mind—the AI, for example, doesn't seem to know how Adam actually died. And the whole Bottle Ship fiasco, which came away with two credible witnesses and lots of evidence, probably destroyed a lot of the clout that political faction had. Or at least, they weren't the ones who decided what AIs went with what agents. Or maybe they figured the AI and Samus would both be destroyed when the BSL went up.
So how did DNA get on to Samus's suit anyway? The metriod games are not known for there gore after all. Samus shoots hot power beams and cold ice beams to defeat her foes. The hot beams would destroy the DNA out right and the ice would contain it. No mess, no fuss.
If Samus's suit disintegrates then why/how does it needed to be washed?
How can Adam see what Samus see? Its not like her power armor is federation issued.
Samus's suit can assimilate Federation and Space Pirate technology, and she received transmissions from the Federation in Prime 3. The communication might be two-way.
Except the Prime games supposedly don't count.
That is not true at all. They count fine, everyone is just completely misinterpreting an interview where the guy says that Prime is a different part of the series. At no point does he say that Prime isn't canon.
Sure as sure, but if its a different part as you say then the would that not mean the same as not happening(as far as Other M is concerned)? After all this is the first time Samus joined forces with the Federation.
No. "It's a different part of the series" does not mean it didn't happen. And I don't recall Samus saying it's the first time she joined with the Federation, considering the game itself shows Samus working directly for the Federation in the backstory.
"First joint mission after becoming a freelance bounty hunter", that line in itself causes many problems but most relevant here is that it throws Metroid Prime 3 out the window if true. Of course, her "excitement" over having a CO throws out fusion as in that game she said she was not particularly found of COs and did not like following orders.
Fusion comes after—it could well be that her distaste for COs came after Other M (or possibly is because of Other M). As for the other? Eh, one line that I could argue a few different ways. Prime 3 was, for the most part, less a joint mission and more Samus doing her thing on her own with occasional support from the Federation. She wasn't taking direct orders from Admiral Dane, for instance, and did most of what she did on her own initiative. Other M, in that case, was the first time she'd put herself under direct command for the duration of a mission, while Prime was when she was one of several bounty hunters independently contracted by the Federation.
Okay, working off the logic the entirety of Prime 3 was less a join mission and more Samus being assigned to do a task in Federation territory she still ends up going on several join missions with the Federation. Exiting Olympus to Norion, activating the planetary defense system, protecting the demolition troopers, leading the way to the source of phazon, all were done beside fleet troopers and marines.
So where are the people that run the BOTTLE anyway?
To expand on this, the entire population of the BOTTLE SHIP was violently killed. Why aren't there more than two bodies?
What, you don't think all those monsters get hungry?
And I guess they licked the ship clean too.
Unless they were cool with an M rating, they wouldn't show blood all over the place.
Why did no one on the bottle ship think to put kill switches on the clones and such? Or did all there top scientists graduate from the Space Pirate University?
If this game is suppose to be more "realistic" then why are there power tank parts and missile tanks on the bottle ship?
This is kind of meta, but why do people claim that one can better understand Other M if they read the Metroid Manga? Other then having have some similar ideas there is not much to tie the two together.
Mainly because the infamous Ridley scene can be linked to a similar instance in the manga where Samus sees Ridley for the first time since she was child. Also because Other M appears to use several concepts from the manga, such as Adam's design. More thematically, it's also to try and say "see, Samus wasn't a tough-as-nails bruiser here, she could often break down!", though I wouldn't take that argument because I also think the manga has major flaws. A precedent depiction doesn't make it a good depiction.
Funny thing is, Other M metaphorically spits on the manga's storyline by changing Adam's encouragement to starting her bounty hunting career to his disapproval and makes Samus a "soldier" under his command when she never was in the manga, their conflicting jurisdiction with her being in the police being a plot point. People are just desperate to defend Other M and are probably just using second hand details they heard about the manga without having read it themselves. If people really cared about the manga they would have voiced their protests when Zero Mission made zero effort to stay consistent with it.
Samus' suit's different sensors can detect hidden items and what item works on what, but it can't detect from the beginning that MB is an android?
Adam had not authorized the scan visor (or thermal, or x-ray), just like he had not authorized the grapple beam or space jump.
Samus is human. Sometimes, humans just don't think to look for certain things. Samus sees what she thinks is a human, where she expected to see a human—and a particular human at that—and makes an assumption that this is the human she was looking for.
So the Queen Metroid drains Ridley. Fair enough. But then how does Ridley's carcass get to the station in Fusion? Ridley should have collapsed in to a pile of dust under his own weight.
Infant Metroid, the baby, ect...why? It was an infant at the start of Super but in accordance with the life cycle◊ it was grown up by the end of Super Metroid. In fact, it was bigger than the queen! Samus had to roll up into a ball to fit inside her but that Metroid covered Samus entirely as it shielded her from Mother Brain...hence it was the Super Metroid, no longer an infant or baby.
It's an easy enough mistake to make, the mature form looks the same as the infant form other than being larger. Metroids as is shown in the above life cycle change radically as they mature into Alpha, Gamma, Zeta and Omega forms
Babies cry distress signal; Why is the bottle ship sending out such a high profile SOS when the last thing it would want is a random element possibly taking there research? Nightmare, Metroids, Mother Brain, Cloning.
The space pirates do not have the only science team with vapor for brains.
Why is Adam surprised that Samus was at the bottle ship given the SOS? Responding to distress signals is part of Samus's MO.
Maybe he's not as familiar with her modus operandi as a bounty hunter.
Because he didn't expect her to be there. Just because Samus responds to distress signals doesn't mean Adam is going to expect she is going to respond to this one, and it's a secret base—if anyone showed up there unexpectedly, they'd be asked why they were there.
Secret base or not it still released a distress signal. This is the same plot as Prime 1 actually, that the Pirates sent out an open distress signal and Samus started shooting them and wrecking their things after responding to it.
And those pirates were also surprised to see Samus there, and if any of them were in any shape to talk they probably would have said something like "Samus? What's she doing here?" "They sent out a distress signal," does not in any way imply that nobody should ever be at all surprised by who shows up.
Adam would have expected that there could be others, after all he would have heard the baby's cry SOS and would know that anyone could have arrived. Humanity is not alone in space after all.
And if anyone else had shown up, Adam would have asked what they were doing there, too. How is this difficult to understand? When someone shows up at a secret military base for any reason, the people who run the military base are going to ask them questions about what they're doing there.
It is difficult to understand that it is a secret military base, what with the lack of military personnel and that it is run by a woman emphatically not in the military. Even if the military knew some secret about it, even if Adam is surprised that someone showed up, he should have figured out what they were doing there. Distress signal.
Why is there ranks of distress signals? This is not the first time that Samus received a SOS form Federation or otherwise that were in just as bad shape or worse then the bottle ship, so hearing that there is a higher rank of SOS just sounds absurd.
Where does Samus armor go when she is not wearing it?
In this game, at least, it's some kind of hard light construct, so when she's not wearing it, it just doesn't exist.
If so then what generates the Armor?
Probably some module in the Zero Suit.
It goes into her gunship, that is why the armor was destroyed when the ship was shot down while she was not wearing it in Zero Mission. That explanation works just fine with every other Metroid game so even if this one seems to imply other wise it is irrelevant.
On that note why doesn't she take off the armor more often. It's not only bulky and probably uncomfortable there are scenes like when she's talking to MB that would likely have been better handled in Zero Suit.
One imagines when you're on a space station filled with alien monsters, you'd want to keep your armor on pretty much the whole time.