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Vader was keen enough to know that Lando's weakness was gambling. He also needed an inconspicuous way to capture Luke and bring him to the Emperor. Additionally, the Empire needed the tibanna gas for their TIE fighters. So Vader and a small party met with Lando before the Millennium Falcon got there, and Vader proposed to play Lando at Sabacc. If Vader won, he'd get Luke and his friends plus the city. If Lando won, Vader would just take Luke and Han, but let Lando's gas mining operation continue without interference from the Empire. He'd also let Leia and Chewie stay with Lando. Lando won the round, but after capturing Han, Chewie, and Leia at the "dinner party," Vader reneged on the bet and called in an invasion, anyway. That's what he meant when he told Lando "I'm altering the deal!"

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Vader was keen enough to know that Lando's weakness was gambling. He also needed an inconspicuous way to capture Luke and bring him to the Emperor. Additionally, the Empire needed the Bespin's tibanna gas for their TIE fighters. So Vader and a small party met with Lando before the Millennium Falcon ''Millennium Falcon'' got there, and Vader proposed to play Lando at Sabacc. If Vader won, he'd get Luke and his friends plus the city. If Lando won, Vader would just take Luke and Han, but let Lando's gas mining operation continue without interference from the Empire. He'd also let Leia and Chewie stay with Lando. Lando won the round, but after capturing Han, Chewie, and Leia at the "dinner party," Vader reneged on the bet and called in an invasion, anyway. That's what he meant when he told Lando "I'm altering the deal!"
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Vader was keen enough to know that Lando's weakness was gambling. He also needed an inconspicuous way to capture Luke and bring him to the Emperor. Additionally, the Empire needed the tibanna gas for their TIE fighters. So Vader and a small party met with Lando before the Millennium Falcon got there, and Vader proposed to play Lando at Sabacc. If Vader won, he'd get Luke and his friends plus the city. If Lando won, Vader would just take Luke's bunch and let Lando's gas mining operation continue without interference from the Empire. Lando won the round, but after capturing Han, Chewie, and Leia at the "dinner party," Vader reneged on the bet and called in an invasion, anyway. That's what he meant when he told Lando "I'm altering the deal!"

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Vader was keen enough to know that Lando's weakness was gambling. He also needed an inconspicuous way to capture Luke and bring him to the Emperor. Additionally, the Empire needed the tibanna gas for their TIE fighters. So Vader and a small party met with Lando before the Millennium Falcon got there, and Vader proposed to play Lando at Sabacc. If Vader won, he'd get Luke and his friends plus the city. If Lando won, Vader would just take Luke's bunch Luke and Han, but let Lando's gas mining operation continue without interference from the Empire.Empire. He'd also let Leia and Chewie stay with Lando. Lando won the round, but after capturing Han, Chewie, and Leia at the "dinner party," Vader reneged on the bet and called in an invasion, anyway. That's what he meant when he told Lando "I'm altering the deal!"
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[[WMG: Vader lost a card bet for Bespin against Lando, but the Empire seized the city, anyway.]]

Vader was keen enough to know that Lando's weakness was gambling. He also needed an inconspicuous way to capture Luke and bring him to the Emperor. Additionally, the Empire needed the tibanna gas for their TIE fighters. So Vader and a small party met with Lando before the Millennium Falcon got there, and Vader proposed to play Lando at Sabacc. If Vader won, he'd get Luke and his friends plus the city. If Lando won, Vader would just take Luke's bunch and let Lando's gas mining operation continue without interference from the Empire. Lando won the round, but after capturing Han, Chewie, and Leia at the "dinner party," Vader reneged on the bet and called in an invasion, anyway. That's what he meant when he told Lando "I'm altering the deal!"
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As for how she knew: The kiss "for luck" in ''A New Hope'' was a TestKiss. It quite clearly resulted in NoSparks. Same way it worked in ''Film/BackToTheFuture''.

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As for how she knew: The kiss "for luck" in ''A New Hope'' was a TestKiss. It quite clearly resulted in NoSparks. Same way it worked in ''Film/BackToTheFuture''.
''Film/BackToTheFuture1''.
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[[WMG: Han Solo was a nerf herder before coming a smuggler.]]

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[[WMG: Han Solo was a nerf herder before coming becoming a smuggler.]]
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Alderaan is not the only planet to be [[EarthShatteringKaboom blown to smithereens]] by the Empire; a few others have met a similarly unfortunate fate. Since the ''Falcon'' encounters this AsteroidThicket shortly after abandoning Hoth (and it has to be nearby because of the ''Falcon's'' busted hyperdrive), one can further theorize that the Empire blew this planet up thanks to faulty intel -- they knew the Rebels were in the area, just got the planet wrong.[[note]]One popular corollary is that the thicket ''was'' Alderaan, but it's too easily {{Jossed}} -- it's in the wrong location and too important a world to escape mention in this situation.[[/note]] It might have happened even before the events of ''A New Hope'', with intel of a Rebel base of ''some'' kind in the area and an early test of the Death Star -- before they got their hands on Princess Leia and extract the Rebels' location through torture. The Rebels then sneak in and put their most important assets on Hoth, where the Empire had already had a show of force -- essentially going RightUnderTheirNoses.

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Alderaan is not the only planet to be [[EarthShatteringKaboom blown to smithereens]] by the Empire; a few others have met a similarly unfortunate fate. Since the ''Falcon'' encounters this AsteroidThicket shortly after abandoning Hoth (and it has to be nearby because of the ''Falcon's'' busted hyperdrive), one can further theorize that the Empire blew this planet up thanks to faulty intel -- they knew the Rebels were in the area, just got the planet wrong.[[note]]One popular corollary is that the thicket ''was'' Alderaan, but it's too easily {{Jossed}} -- it's in the wrong location and too important a world to escape mention in this situation.[[/note]] It might have happened even before the events of ''A New Hope'', with intel of a Rebel base of ''some'' kind in the area and an early test of the Death Star -- before they got their hands on Princess Leia and tried to extract the Rebels' location through torture. The Rebels then sneak in and put their most important assets on Hoth, where the Empire had already had a show of force -- essentially going RightUnderTheirNoses.
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* In one of the short stories in the 2020 anthology ''From a Certain Point of View'', Ozzel's last thoughts are of his wife wanting to join the Rebellion, so he may have at least been instinctively leaning in this direction.
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[[WMG: Luke didn't conveniently crash where Yoda would be. Yoda used the Force to predict where Luke would crash and set up camp there.]]
It's kind of a reversal of the "Yoda brought down Luke near him". He knew where the ship would end up, and deliberately moved to that location.

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[[WMG: Dagobah is Naboo.]]
Naboo: Swampy? Check. Out of the way backwater? Check. Chock-full of strange animals? Check. Good to go! Admittedly, the Gungans are missing, but knowing Palpatine's racism, it would be just like him to kill them all. And it would be easy to miss Theed-it's not that big of a city.
* Jossed by the special edition of ''Return of the Jedi'', which shows Naboo is still around and no worse for wear, aside from Imperial control for many years.
* Also, there's a deleted scene of Yoda arriving at Dagobah in ''Revenge of the Sith''.

[[WMG: Luke didn't coincidentally find where Yoda was hanging on Dagobah.]]
Yoda set up camp where he knew Luke would crash.
* Actually, Yodea used the Force to "help" crashing the ship in that place.
** [[TheChessmaster R2-D2 knew where Yoda was hiding, and steered the ship towards his camp.]]
*** His beeping when Yoda showed up is something like "Yoda! It's you! We've come for your help!" rather than being started by the [[StealthHiBye sudden appearance]] of a little green man.
*** But, wasn't R2's mind wiped at the end of Episode III?
*** Nope, only [=C3PO=]'s.
*** How much of C-3PO's mind was erased?
** Not only that, but Yoda deliberately crashed Luke's ship in the bog for two reasons. First, to stress him out, and make his SecretTestOfCharacter more earnest. Second, he knew the X-Wing would eventually sink completely, providing the perfect exercise to test how well Luke was taking to his Jedi training. If he could get the ship out on his own, awesome. If he couldn't, Yoda could do it, and ''prove'' to Luke that "size matters not."

[[WMG: Lando was trying to get Han to fly away]]
...with a minimum of fuss. Throwing out old insults, basically being a jackass to him, bringing up a mutual old shame (read more about it in ''Scoundrels'' and Literature/TheHanSoloTrilogy!)--and all of it meant to make Han pull a Cartman, tell Lando where to shove it, and fly away. Boom, no Solo, no trouble. Except Boba Fett and Vader were already there and very much in control; they basically point a gun at Lando's head, use Cloud City against him, and say Obey Or Die. And so he begrudginly lets Han in to the city, knowing [[OhCrap full damn well what's going to happen to all of them]].
* This reminds of something I read on [[Fridge/{{Solo}} fridge page for Solo]] comparing the hug Lando give Han when he arrived at cloud city to the one Han give Lando before he won the Falcon from him. So as Cannon material goes, this likely cloud be truth.

[[WMG: Yoda deliberately speaks that way as a teaching method.]]
Yoda constructs his sentences object-subject-verb. ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' presents Vandar Tokare, a Jedi Master of the same species, who uses normal grammar, so the rearranged sentence structure is not a feature of their species's language. My theory is that Yoda deliberately rearranges his grammar so that anybody listening to him has to break apart and arrange his words correctly. To do so, they have to listen to what he is saying. If they understand what he says, they will understand what he means.
* Remember, he didn't have this speech problem talking to Obi Wan's force ghost.
* Or it could be, y'know, an accent. Tarkin's accent is different from Han's; the Thrawn trilogy confirms that Wookiees can have speech impediments; since nobody knows anything about Yoda's species, we can't confirm whether they have accents or not. It is, however, an interesting idea. (This troper, incidentally, enjoyed restructuring Vandar's sentences to Yodish).
* "The species' language"? So [[{{Planetville}} an entire species has only one language]]? What's ours? It it [[UsefulNotes/EsperantoTheUniversalLanguage Esperanto]], amiko?
* Not to mention, someone as old and wise as Yoda, living among Basic speakers for as long as he has, would have had plenty of time to fix any accent if he wanted to. Whether it's his natural accent or not, he probably kept it for the reason listed above, and because sounding silly and being underestimated because of it makes your points hit home that much harder when you prove them. This is exactly the kind of sneaky manipulative-for-your-own-good stuff that Yoda and Jedi he's trained are known to do throughout both films and the EU.
* If you pay attention in ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', you'll notice that Vandar has the habit of blinking his eyes sequentially. Perhaps each member of his and Yoda's species are born with their own unique quirk? Vandar's quirk is his blinking, and Yoda's quirk is his speech pattern.
* I saw a special on the original trilogy once in which the cast said (although it may have been their own speculations and not straight from Lucas and the other powers that be: they weren't clear on that) centuries ago, back when Yoda was young, ''everyone'' talked like him (or at least where he was from). Languages evolve over time, and the one represented to us as English when we see the films got its subject-object verb order rules changed as it did so, yet he just kept on talking the old way--be it out of force of habit or nostalgia or tradition or fear of change or heavens knows what they didn't say.
* In the prequels, Yoda is seen teaching the younglings. The sentence construction could just be a way to make his teachings more memorable. After all, 900 years is plenty of time to get good at memetics.
* This theory is actually pointed out and discussed in-universe by Luke and Ben Skywalker in the ''Fate of the Jedi'' series.
* Latin has a tendency to put the verb at the end of the sentence, and as verb conjugation includes an implied pronoun, it sometimes puts the subject at the end as well. Yoda may be speaking a much older and more structured and formal dialect of Basic, switching only when immediate precision is necessary.

[[WMG:Admiral Ozzel was a Rebel double agent.]]
What Vader saw as Ozzel's incompetence was actually Ozzel deliberately sabotaging the Imperial war effort. When Piett found evidence of the Rebel base on Hoth, Ozzel dismissed it and tried to dissuade Vader from searching because he didn't want the Rebels to be discovered. Then, with Vader breathing down his neck, Ozzel had no way to warn the Rebels of the impending attack other than ordering the fleet to come out of hyperspace close enough to the system that they would be detected.
* I hate to say it, but this makes sense. In fact, Ozzel would be perfect as a double agent: who would expect ''this guy'' to work for the Rebels?

[[WMG:Admiral Ozzel was also an officer on the first Death Star and sucks at hyperspace.]]
Ozzel was also an officer on the first Death Star and responsible for coming out of hyperspace on the opposite side of the planet, allowing the Rebels time to launch an offensive. He either is a terrible strategist on selecting where to emerge into space, or is completely inept about popping out where ordered. Either way, his last failure was far from his first.
* Or, if you believe the theory mentioned above, he was a Rebel double-agent, and did so that the Rebels could prepare and launch their assault. Which would also explain why he survived the Death Star's explosion: he was one of those nervous officers who decided to flee, and probably did so the second he heard that one guy make the comment to Tarkin about preparing to evacuate "just in case".

[[WMG:Why did Darth Vader have the ''Millennium Falcons'' Hyperdrive repaired but deactivated?]]
Did he actually intend to have them flee from Bespin and give a mock chase to make it seem like they had really gotten away by the skin of their teeth? Was it all according to plan for the upcoming Battle of Endor in the next film?
* Lando has ordered it repaired, and the crew should believe him when he says it's fixed. If Lando believes it's working, then if anything goes wrong with Vader's plan and they make it to the ship, it will be an easy matter to pick them up.
* It's also possible that Lando's technicians did absolutely nothing in the first place. They didn't even touch the hyperdrive. Vader takes it as read that it's broken beyond repair, not counting on R2-D2 being able to repair it.

[[WMG:General Rieekan is an Imperial agent.]]
General Rieekan’s defense did suspiciously little to stop the Empire’s forces, if not for the improvised tow cables the snowspeeders would have been completely useless. Rieekan’s original plan wouldn’t have stopped a single walker! Rebels were discovered on Hoth, Echo Base destroyed, and the rebellion routed – just as planned.
* Alternatively, Crix Madine may have had something to do with it. He defected to the Rebellion [[VideoGame/RogueSquadron between Episodes IV and V]], but you never know how sincere he actually was.
** Where was Crix Madine during the battle for Hoth? Certainly not anywhere near Echo Base.

[[WMG:The end scene]]
It's been mentioned elsewhere that Lando is wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire. This troper believes he knows why- Lando didn't have time to pack before the evacuation of Cloud City so the only clean clothes available to him are the ones in Han's quarters on the ''Millennium Falcon''.
* The ''Falcon'' used to be Lando's ship, before it belonged to Han. The captain's closet is full of identical outfits, and those clothes actually belonged to Lando. So instead of seeing Lando wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire Strikes Back, we are actually seeing Han Solo wearing Lando's clothes during the rest of the trilogy.

[[WMG: The asteroid field is the remains of a planet.]]
There are actually hundreds of those space slugs. They're sort of a species of geological parasite that incubates in the warm cores of planets until they reach full size, and the tectonic plate disruption of their simultaneous maturity is enough to rip the planet to shreds.
* Even better: it's the remains of ''Alderaan''. The space slugs never bothered anyone before [[DugTooDeep until their planet was blown apart]] (they, being MadeOfIron, survived when nothing else could). That's why Leia is as surprised as anyone to discover they're inside the mouth of one.
** If that's the case, I imagine that the Empire would try to use this discovery to make them seem more heroic: "Yeah, we [[MoralEventHorzion destroyed a peaceful planet]], [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans but we did it for the greater good!]] [[BlatantLies We knew about the space slugs all along]]-they [[FateWorseThanDeath would've condemned Alderaan to a slow destruction]]. [[MetaphoricallyTrue There was nothing we could do to stop them]], [[MercyKill ending their lives was a mercy.]] [[StrawHypocrite Trust us-we're the good guys!]]"
** Jossed in-dialogue. Shortly after escaping the asteroid field, Han pulls his famous [[RefugeInAudacity hide-on-the-pursuing-Star-Destroyer trick. After that, he announces that they're in "The Anoat System," not "The Alderaan System." Moreover, Alderaan is a Core world, while Hoth is deep in the Outer Rim, and the Falcon was limping along at sublight since escaping from Hoth (though that raises the question of how the hell they made it to a completely different star system with the Imperial Fleet breathing down their necks the whole way.)

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[[WMG: Dagobah is Naboo.Someone guided Luke's ship to crash-land near Yoda on Dagobah.]]
Naboo: Swampy? Check. Out Luke is looking for a single life-form whom he's never met and only knows that he's ''somewhere'' on the planet. [[CaptainObvious Planets are really, really big.]] Luke lands on a bog in the middle of nowhere. That's one heck of a coincidence that he happens to be within easy walking distance of the way backwater? Check. Chock-full of strange animals? Check. Good to go! Admittedly, the Gungans life-form he's looking for. Except it wasn't a coincidence at all.

There
are missing, but knowing Palpatine's racism, it a few candidates for who guided Luke:
* The obvious one is Yoda himself -- he sensed Luke's presence, or even predicted he
would be just like him to kill them all. And it would be easy to miss Theed-it's not that big of a city.
* Jossed by
come. Yoda finagled his way into the special edition of ''Return of X-Wing's system with the Jedi'', which shows Naboo is still around Force and no worse for wear, aside from Imperial plonked Luke down into the swamp. It also sets up his SecretTestOfCharacter; by forcing the X-Wing to sink, Yoda can challenge Luke to get it back up again with the Force.
* The second candidate is R2-D2, who's already in
control for many years.
* Also, there's a deleted scene of Yoda arriving at Dagobah in ''Revenge
of the Sith''.

[[WMG: Luke
ship's systems -- he knows Yoda from back in the prequel trilogy (and unlike [=C3PO=] didn't coincidentally find have his memory wiped) and had [[TheChessmaster planned all along to rendezvous with Yoda at some point]], so he knew where to land. He fakes the problems with the controls to obscure from Luke that he knew Yoda from before. R2's beeping on encountering Yoda in this case is not alarm by the [[StealthHiBye sudden appearance of a little green man]] but directly addressing Yoda and asking for his help.
* Another candidate is some giant super-organism that takes up the entire planet. Yoda, being in tune with the Force, set up his new digs in the center of the super-organism. But the super-organism itself guides Luke's ship to land near its center, either consciously or by just emanating certain signals that indicated that its center is the best possible place to land.

[[WMG: Lando
was hanging on Dagobah.trying to get Han to leave Bespin with a minimum of fuss.]]
Lando is trying to behave like a JerkAss to Han to drive him away from Bespin before Vader can spring his trap and capture him. On the surface, he's throwing out petty insults and hitting on a lady Han brought with him. And the more you know about the ExpandedUniverse (especially ''Scoundrels'' and ''Literature/TheHanSoloTrilogy''), the more you realize how Lando is deliberately referring to fairly personal and embarrassing things for Han. And ''Film/{{Solo}}'' lends some credence here, too (compare the hug Lando gives Han when he arrives at Cloud City and the one Han gives Lando right before he wins the ''Falcon'' from him). Vader and Boba Fett had beaten Han to Bespin and put a gun to Lando's head (perhaps even literally), so Lando couldn't tell Han straight up what was going on without risking himself. Han never catches on, and Lando begrudgingly invites him in.

[[WMG:
Yoda set up camp where he knew Luke would crash.
* Actually, Yodea used
is the Force to "help" crashing the ship only StrangeSyntaxSpeaker in that place.
** [[TheChessmaster R2-D2 knew where Yoda was hiding, and steered the ship towards
his camp.species.]]
*** His beeping when Yoda showed up is something like "Yoda! It's you! We've come for your help!" rather than being started by the [[StealthHiBye sudden appearance]] of a little green man.
*** But, wasn't R2's mind wiped at the end of Episode III?
*** Nope, only [=C3PO=]'s.
*** How much of C-3PO's mind was erased?
** Not only that, but Yoda deliberately crashed Luke's ship in the bog for two reasons. First, to stress him out, and make his SecretTestOfCharacter more earnest. Second, he knew the X-Wing would eventually sink completely, providing the perfect exercise to test how well Luke was taking to his Jedi training. If he could get the ship out on his own, awesome. If he couldn't, Yoda could do it, and ''prove'' to Luke that "size matters not."

[[WMG: Lando was trying to get Han to fly away]]
...with a minimum of fuss. Throwing out old insults, basically being a jackass to him, bringing up a mutual old shame (read more about it in ''Scoundrels'' and Literature/TheHanSoloTrilogy!)--and all of it meant to make Han pull a Cartman, tell Lando where to shove it, and fly away. Boom, no Solo, no trouble. Except Boba Fett and Vader were already there and very much in control; they basically point a gun at Lando's head, use Cloud City against him, and say Obey Or Die. And so he begrudginly lets Han in to the city, knowing [[OhCrap full damn well what's going to happen to all of them]].
*
This reminds arises in part out of something I read on [[Fridge/{{Solo}} fridge page for Solo]] comparing the hug Lando give Han when he arrived at cloud city to the one Han give Lando before he won the Falcon from him. So as Cannon material goes, this likely cloud be truth.

[[WMG: Yoda deliberately speaks that way as a teaching method.]]
Yoda constructs his sentences object-subject-verb. ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' presents Vandar Tokare, a Jedi Master of the same species, who uses normal grammar, so the rearranged sentence structure is not a feature of their species's language. My theory is that Yoda deliberately rearranges his grammar so that anybody listening to him has to break apart and arrange his words correctly. To do so, they have to listen to what he is saying. If they understand what he says, they will understand what he means.
* Remember, he didn't have this speech problem talking to Obi Wan's force ghost.
* Or it could be, y'know, an accent. Tarkin's accent is different from Han's; the Thrawn trilogy confirms that Wookiees can have speech impediments; since nobody knows anything about Yoda's species, we can't confirm whether they have accents or not. It is, however, an interesting idea. (This troper, incidentally, enjoyed restructuring Vandar's sentences to Yodish).
* "The species' language"? So [[{{Planetville}} an entire species has only one language]]? What's ours? It it [[UsefulNotes/EsperantoTheUniversalLanguage Esperanto]], amiko?
* Not to mention, someone as old and wise as Yoda, living among Basic speakers for as long as he has, would have had plenty of time to fix any accent if he wanted to. Whether it's his natural accent or not, he probably kept it for the reason listed above, and because sounding silly and being underestimated because of it makes your points hit home that much harder when you prove them. This is exactly the kind of sneaky manipulative-for-your-own-good stuff that Yoda and Jedi he's trained are known to do throughout both films and the EU.
* If you pay attention in
''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', you'll notice that which includes Vandar has Tokare, a Jedi Master of the habit of blinking his eyes sequentially. Perhaps each member of his same species as Yoda who speaks using normal syntax. How to reconcile this? Several ways:
* Yoda
and Vandar are speaking different languages. What, you think [[{{Planetville}} the entire species speaks the same language]]? Makes no sense on Earth. Yoda's species language has a different sentence structure, and he co-opted that to his understanding of Galactic Basic.
* Yoda and Vandar
are born with their own unique quirk? Vandar's quirk speaking the same language, but the sentence structure has changed over the years. Yoda is his blinking, and 900-ish years old, so he's using a more archaic version. Creator/GeorgeLucas apparently once said (kinda offhandedly) that this is what happened to Galactic Basic -- back in Yoda's quirk is his speech pattern.
* I saw a special on the original trilogy once in which the cast said (although it may have been their own speculations and not straight from Lucas and the other powers that be: they weren't clear on that) centuries ago, back when Yoda was young,
day, ''everyone'' talked like him (or at least where he was from). Languages evolve over time, and the one represented Yoda. It's not unheard of for a language to us as English when we see the films got its subject-object verb order rules changed as it did so, yet he just kept on talking the old way--be it out of force of habit or nostalgia or tradition or fear of change or heavens knows what they didn't say.
* In
sentence structure like this over the prequels, Yoda years -- indeed, this is seen a big difference between Biblical Hebrew and Modern Hebrew.
* Members of Yoda's species all have their own individual CharacterTics. Yoda's is his funny syntax. Vandar's is his bizarre sequential blinking habit.
* Yoda's doing it deliberately as a
teaching method. The idea is that you have to listen closely to what he says to understand it -- he's forcing the younglings. The sentence construction could just be a way to make his teachings more memorable. After all, 900 years is plenty of time listener's brain to get good at memetics.
* This theory is actually pointed out
off autopilot and discussed in-universe by ''focus'', much the same way you should when you use the Force. Luke and Ben Skywalker even theorize he's doing this in the ''Fate of the Jedi'' series.
* Latin has a tendency
''Literature/FateOfTheJedi''. Of course, Yoda's probably been doing it for so long that he's gotten to put the verb at the end of the sentence, and as verb conjugation includes an implied pronoun, doing it sometimes puts the subject at the end as well. Yoda may be speaking a much older and more structured and formal dialect of Basic, switching only when immediate precision is necessary.

[[WMG:Admiral
everywhere, even to people who aren't his students.

[[WMG: Admiral
Ozzel was a Rebel double agent.]]
What Vader saw as Ozzel's incompetence was actually Ozzel deliberately sabotaging the Imperial war effort. When Piett found evidence of the Rebel base on Hoth, Ozzel dismissed it and tried to dissuade Vader from searching because he didn't want the Rebels to be discovered. Then, with Vader breathing down his neck, Ozzel had no way to warn the Rebels of the impending attack other than ordering the fleet to come out of hyperspace close enough to the system that they would be detected.
* I hate to say it, but this makes sense. In fact, Ozzel would
detected. He'd be a perfect as a double agent: who would expect ''this guy'' to work for the Rebels?

[[WMG:Admiral
agent, totally BeneathSuspicion.

[[WMG: Admiral
Ozzel was also an officer on the first Death Star and sucks at hyperspace.]]
Ozzel was also an officer on the His last failure wasn't his first Death Star and responsible for coming -- he has a habit of bringing things out of hyperspace on at the opposite side of wrong time, alerting the planet, enemy to his location. He was responsible for doing this to the first Death Star, allowing the Rebels time to launch an offensive. He either is Either he's a terrible strategist on selecting where to emerge into space, strategist, a terrible pilot, or is completely inept about popping out where ordered. Either way, his last failure was far from his first.
* Or, if you believe
(per the theory mentioned above, he was previous WMG) a Rebel double-agent, and did so that double agent. He escaped the Rebels could prepare and launch their assault. Which would also explain why he survived the first Death Star's explosion: destruction because he was one of those nervous officers who decided to flee, and probably did so the second he heard that one guy make overheard the comment to about the danger in the Rebels' attack patterns (the one Tarkin about preparing to evacuate "just in case".

[[WMG:Why did Darth Vader
arrogantly dismissed) and bailed out -- he wouldn't have been the ''Millennium Falcons'' Hyperdrive repaired but deactivated?]]
Did he actually intend to have them flee from Bespin and give
only one.

[[WMG: Admiral Ozzel is
a mock chase to make it seem like they had really gotten away by the skin product of their teeth? Was it all according to plan for the upcoming Battle of Endor in the next film?
* Lando has ordered it repaired, and the crew should believe him when he says it's fixed. If Lando believes it's working, then if anything goes wrong with Vader's plan and they make it to the ship, it will be an easy matter to pick them up.
* It's also possible that Lando's technicians did absolutely nothing in the first place. They didn't even touch the hyperdrive. Vader takes it as read that it's broken beyond repair, not counting on R2-D2 being able to repair it.

[[WMG:General Rieekan is an Imperial agent.
ThePeterPrinciple.]]
He's been promoted to his level of incompetence -- he was good at lower ranks in the Empire, but doesn't have the tactical sense necessary of an Admiral. The problem is that the Empire is so stuck up on absolute loyalty, and so inclined to [[YouHaveFailedMe execute admirals who do a poor job]], that they needed to promote someone quickly, and Ozzel just happened to be next in line.

[[WMG:
General Rieekan’s defense did suspiciously little Rieekan, or someone close to stop the Empire’s forces, if not for the improvised tow cables the snowspeeders would have been completely useless. Rieekan’s original plan wouldn’t have stopped a single walker! Rebels were discovered on Hoth, Echo Base destroyed, and the rebellion routed – just as planned.
* Alternatively, Crix Madine may have had something to do with it. He defected to the Rebellion [[VideoGame/RogueSquadron between Episodes IV and V]], but you never know how sincere he actually was.
** Where was Crix Madine during the battle for Hoth? Certainly not anywhere near Echo Base.

[[WMG:The end scene]]
It's been mentioned elsewhere that Lando
him, is wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire. This troper believes he knows why- Lando didn't have time to pack before the evacuation of Cloud City so the only clean clothes available to him are the ones in Han's quarters on the ''Millennium Falcon''.
* The ''Falcon'' used to be Lando's ship, before it belonged to Han. The captain's closet is full of identical outfits, and those clothes actually belonged to Lando. So instead of seeing Lando wearing Han's clothes at the end of Empire Strikes Back, we are actually seeing Han Solo wearing Lando's clothes during the rest of the trilogy.

[[WMG: The asteroid field is the remains of a planet.
an Imperial agent.]]
His defense did suspiciously little to stop the Empire's forces. If not for the improvised tow cables, the snowspeeders would have been completely useless -- Rieekan's original plan wouldn't have stopped a single walker. This failure would have ensured that the Rebels would have been routed on Hoth, a huge victory for the Empire. If it wasn't Rieekan himself, it was probably Crix Madine -- he defected to the Rebellion [[VideoGame/RogueSquadron between Episodes IV and V]], but you never know how sincere he actually was.

[[WMG: Lando's wearing Han's clothes in the ending scene to stake a claim to the ''Falcon''.]]
He [[LostHimInACardGame lost the ship to Han in a card game]], but he never stopped thinking the ''Falcon'' belonged to him. And those clothes were Lando's all along, having been left behind on the ''Falcon'' when he handed it over to Han. By wearing them, he's retaking the ship he thinks is rightfully his.

Alternatively, Lando didn't have time to pack before the evacuation of Cloud City, and the only clothes he can wear are the ones Han's got lying around the ''Falcon''. Still gives him an opportunity to stake the proverbial claim.

[[WMG: The AsteroidThicket is the remains of a planet.]]
Alderaan is not the only planet to be [[EarthShatteringKaboom blown to smithereens]] by the Empire; a few others have met a similarly unfortunate fate. Since the ''Falcon'' encounters this AsteroidThicket shortly after abandoning Hoth (and it has to be nearby because of the ''Falcon's'' busted hyperdrive), one can further theorize that the Empire blew this planet up thanks to faulty intel -- they knew the Rebels were in the area, just got the planet wrong.[[note]]One popular corollary is that the thicket ''was'' Alderaan, but it's too easily {{Jossed}} -- it's in the wrong location and too important a world to escape mention in this situation.[[/note]] It might have happened even before the events of ''A New Hope'', with intel of a Rebel base of ''some'' kind in the area and an early test of the Death Star -- before they got their hands on Princess Leia and extract the Rebels' location through torture. The Rebels then sneak in and put their most important assets on Hoth, where the Empire had already had a show of force -- essentially going RightUnderTheirNoses.

The giant space slug hiding in the asteroid used to live on the planet.
There are actually hundreds several explanations for what it might be; [[WMG/ReturnOfTheJedi another WMG page]] posits that it's a {{terraform}}ing creature (explaining why there's a frigging ''atmosphere'' inside it) and that the Sarlacc is a larval form of those space slugs. They're sort of it. A different explanation for the slug absolves the Empire, too (at least [[NotMeThisTime this time]]) -- the slug is a species of geological parasite that incubates in the warm cores of planets until planets, and when they reach full size, and the tectonic plate disruption of their simultaneous maturity is enough to rip they cause shakes the planet to shreds.
* Even better: it's the remains of ''Alderaan''. The space slugs never bothered anyone before [[DugTooDeep until their planet was blown apart]] (they, being MadeOfIron, survived when nothing else could). That's why Leia is as surprised as anyone to discover they're inside the mouth of one.
** If that's the case, I imagine that the Empire would try to use this discovery to make them seem more heroic: "Yeah, we [[MoralEventHorzion destroyed a peaceful planet]], [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans but we did it for the greater good!]] [[BlatantLies We knew about the space slugs all along]]-they [[FateWorseThanDeath would've condemned Alderaan to a slow destruction]]. [[MetaphoricallyTrue There was nothing we could do to stop them]], [[MercyKill ending their lives was a mercy.]] [[StrawHypocrite Trust us-we're the good guys!]]"
** Jossed in-dialogue. Shortly after escaping the asteroid field, Han pulls his famous [[RefugeInAudacity hide-on-the-pursuing-Star-Destroyer trick. After that, he announces that they're in "The Anoat System," not "The Alderaan System." Moreover, Alderaan is a Core world, while Hoth is deep in the Outer Rim, and the Falcon was limping along at sublight since escaping from Hoth (though that raises the question of how the hell they made it to a completely different star system with the Imperial Fleet breathing down their necks the whole way.)
apart.



While EU material immediately latched onto Vader acting like a heartless overlord to his underlings all the time, both A New Hope and Return of the Jedi don't really show him acting that bad to Imperial officers. He Force chokes Motti on the Death Star, but that's because he was showing severe disrespect for him and his powers, and Vader's reaction is to powerfully taunt him rather than get angry. Notice how casually he stops when ordered by Tarkin.

He's unforgiving and ruthless in ESB is because he's desperate to find Luke and gets angry at anyone who hampers that search. Following Luke's escape into hyperspace Vader simply walks by Piett without a word, demonstrating he doesn't care enough about the Imperial's failure to catch the Falcon to even reprimand him. With Luke already rejecting him, there's not much point to getting upset with any of his officers about it.

Chances are Vader's tenure in the Empire probably resembled what it was on the first Death Star. An intimidating figure to be sure, and one not above being remarkably cruel to his enemies, but likely not the BadBoss killing his own men at the snap of a finger like he was here.
* One of the best [=WMG=]s I've ever read.
* It is likely that he is indeed angry when choking Motti - if you listen carefully you can hear his mechanical breathing get more rapid, and he doesn't show any signs of letting go before Tarkin orders him to. He probably has a notorious temper in general, but I do think you are right that it peaks during this period.
** [[FridgeBrilliance He can't stand when people discuss the limits of the Force, because it reminds him that he failed to save his wife like he promised.]]
* This fits in with the film's opening prologue, which mentions that Vader is "obsessed with finding young Skywalker". And, previously, he'd been obsessed with finding a way to save Padme and, years later, with finding the Death Star plans. Basically, you'll probably be alright as long as you don't get between Vader and his all-consuming goals.
* Or perhaps this first meeting with Luke was what started Vader on the path back from the Dark Side: his only son just rejected him, was willing to plunge to his (potential) death rather than join him. Luke is a connection with his dead wife, but he cuts Luke's hand off. At the end of ESB Vader is pensive, and when he next meets Luke, he seems to have been contemplating his own relationship with the Dark Side. "It's too late for me, son," he says, as if he wishes it weren't.

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While EU material immediately latched onto the ExpandedUniverse likes to portray Vader acting like as a relentlessly heartless overlord to his underlings all the time, both A underlings, neither ''A New Hope and Return Hope'' nor ''Return of the Jedi don't really Jedi'' show him acting that bad to treating Imperial officers. officers that badly. He Force chokes does Force-choke Motti on the Death Star, but that's that was because he was showing severe disrespect for him and his powers, and openly doubted whether Vader's reaction is to powerfully taunt him rather than get angry.power was even real, and Vader wasn't ''that'' angry -- he was just taunting him, because he knows how easily he can prove Motti wrong. Notice how casually he stops when ordered by Tarkin.

He's The reason he's so unforgiving and ruthless in ESB ''Empire'' is because that he's desperate to find Luke and gets angry lashing out at anyone who hampers that search. Following Luke's escape into hyperspace hyperspace, Vader simply walks is informed by Piett without a word, demonstrating that they lost the ''Falcon'' too, but Vader blows him off -- he doesn't care enough about the Imperial's failure to catch ''Falcon'', he just wants Luke. Note how the Falcon to even reprimand him. With Luke already rejecting him, there's not much point to getting upset with any of his officers about it.

Chances are Vader's tenure in the Empire probably resembled what it was on the first Death Star. An intimidating figure to be sure, and one not above being remarkably cruel to his enemies, but likely not the BadBoss killing his own men at the snap of a finger like he was here.
* One of the best [=WMG=]s I've ever read.
* It is likely that he is indeed angry when choking Motti - if you listen carefully you can hear his mechanical breathing get more rapid, and he doesn't show any signs of letting go before Tarkin orders him to. He probably has a notorious temper in general, but I do think you are right that it peaks during this period.
** [[FridgeBrilliance He can't stand when people discuss the limits of the Force, because it reminds him that he failed to save his wife like he promised.]]
* This fits in with the film's
opening prologue, which mentions that Vader is crawl describes him as "obsessed with finding young Skywalker". And, previously, he'd been obsessed with Skywalker," and Anakin showed similar obsessiveness in the prequels (''e.g.'' finding a way to save Padme and, years later, with finding the Death Star plans. Basically, you'll probably be alright as long as you don't get between his mother, preventing Padme's DeathByChildbirth). But when Vader has no need to be so obsessive, he's more like what we saw in ''A New Hope'' -- intimidating, and cruel to his all-consuming goals.
* Or perhaps this first meeting
enemies, but not a BadBoss who kills his own men at the snap of a finger.

We can see Vader change back after his encounter
with Luke was what started at the end of this film. It's as revelatory for Vader on the path back as it is for Luke; Vader is shocked at how he cut off his son's hand, sees his son reject his offer of power, and lets him escape. He becomes more pensive -- and starts his slow journey away from the Dark Side: his only son just rejected him, was willing to plunge to his (potential) death rather than join him. Luke is a connection with his dead wife, but he cuts Luke's hand off. At the end of ESB Vader is pensive, and when he next meets Luke, he seems to have been contemplating his own relationship with the Dark Side. "It's too late for me, son," he says, as if he wishes it weren't.
Side.



She only kissed him to make Han jealous. There has never been any [[BrotherSisterIncest sexual tension between the two]], [[BlatantLies ever]]. It does not exist. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial There was certainly never any indication they were originally going to become a couple]] and the SeparatedAtBirth twist was a huge {{retcon}}. It was [[AllAccordingToPlan all according to GL's master plan.]]
* That was a big/long "jealousy" kiss.
** People who insist that Leia only kissed Luke to make Han jealous seem to conveniently forget that that's not the only time she's kissed him (twice in ANH, and once more in ESB towards the end). Clearly, Leia was attracted to both Luke and Han, and if we have to take her "somehow, I've always known" line literally, that means she doesn't have any qualms with {{Twincest}}.
* It could be even more complicated than that. Her line "Somehow, I've always known" really means that, from the moment she met Luke, she had some kind of feeling for him. Having been raised as an only child, the only way she can interpret this sudden affection is as some kind of romantic or sexual attraction. Luke has the exact same problem, he never had any siblings to experience brotherly affection for. When they find out they're brother and sister, the pieces fall into place, and what they had (incorrectly) assumed to be a romantic attraction is revealed to be a sibling affection.
** Or it was just an awkward situation: accepting the above, pissing Han off was an excuse for Leia to TestKiss Luke. When [[NoSparks the test failed]], they both knew something else was up between them.
* The problem with the original WMG statement rationale is that there was no "master plan" involving the two prior to ESB. In fact ''Literature/SplinterOfTheMindsEye'', the novel commissioned initially as an alternate movie storyline, has numerous ShipTease moments between the two, including a sexually charged moment where Luke briefly admires Leia's body while she changes. One thing to keep in mind is, before Disney bought Lucasfilm, ''every'' spin-off novel was considered official canon by Lucas, including ''Splinter of the Mind's Eye''. Fortunately, it was the only novel featuring Luke and Leia to be published prior to ''Return of the Jedi'' and its big reveal, so it's the only "problematic" storyline. And, since Disney has now de-canonized all the novels published before ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', the point is now moot.

[[WMG: The reason the Millennium Falcon was acting weird...]]
It was jealous of Leia.
* Maybe the falcon is related to Christine.
* Or the Tardis.
* Surprisingly, even though droids in ''Star Wars'' are shown to use advanced AI, with C-3PO and R2-D2 in particular displaying unmistakable signs of sentience, the films have, to date, never established that any spacecraft use AIs.

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Now, the sibling relationship wasn't revealed until ''Return of the Jedi'', and really wasn't contemplated until then -- it's generally believed to have been a {{Retcon}}, cooked up for that movie as a way of resolving the LoveTriangle. But when Luke tells her they're siblings, she tells him, "Somehow, I've always known." But how? And how does that jive with her behavior in the previous two films?

Well, in this film, she's quite clearly taken with Han but [[SlapSlapKiss easily annoyed by him]].
She only kissed him flirts with Luke to [[OperationJealousy make Han jealous. There jealous]] and try to influence him to behave a bit less like a cad. That ''is'' a pretty long kiss, but Leia has never been any [[BrotherSisterIncest sexual tension between ulterior motives; it's not indicative of {{Twincest}}. Luke finds the two]], [[BlatantLies ever]]. It does whole thing faintly amusing; he's not exist. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial There was certainly never any indication they were originally going particularly interested in Leia (what with his ambition to become be a couple]] space-monk and save the SeparatedAtBirth twist Galaxy and everything), but he goes along with it to needle Han. Chewbacca's behaving in pretty much the same way (and Leia ''does'' joke that she'd "just as soon kiss a Wookiee" -- maybe she's not joking ''that'' hard).

As for how she knew: The kiss "for luck" in ''A New Hope''
was a huge {{retcon}}. TestKiss. It quite clearly resulted in NoSparks. Same way it worked in ''Film/BackToTheFuture''.

[[WMG: The ''Falcon''
was [[AllAccordingToPlan all according to GL's master plan.jealous of Leia.]]
* That was a big/long "jealousy" kiss.
** People who insist that Leia only kissed Luke to make Han jealous seem to conveniently forget that that's not the only time she's kissed him (twice in ANH, and once more in ESB towards the end). Clearly, Leia was attracted to both Luke and Han, and if we have to take her "somehow, I've always known" line literally, that means she doesn't have any qualms with {{Twincest}}.
*
It could be even more complicated than that. Her line "Somehow, I've always known" really means that, from the moment she met Luke, she had some kind of feeling for him. Having been raised as an only child, the only way she can interpret this sudden affection is as some kind of romantic or sexual attraction. Luke has the exact same problem, he never had any siblings to experience brotherly affection for. When they find out they're brother and sister, the pieces fall into place, and what they had (incorrectly) assumed to be a romantic attraction is revealed to be a sibling affection.
** Or it was just an awkward situation: accepting the above, pissing Han off was an excuse for Leia to TestKiss Luke. When [[NoSparks the test failed]], they both knew something else was up between them.
* The problem with the original WMG statement rationale is that there was no "master plan" involving the two prior to ESB. In fact ''Literature/SplinterOfTheMindsEye'', the novel commissioned initially as an alternate movie storyline, has numerous ShipTease moments between the two, including a sexually charged moment where Luke briefly admires Leia's body while she changes. One thing to keep in mind is, before Disney bought Lucasfilm, ''every'' spin-off novel was considered official canon by Lucas, including ''Splinter of the Mind's Eye''. Fortunately, it was the only novel featuring Luke and Leia to be published prior to ''Return of the Jedi'' and its big reveal, so it's the only "problematic" storyline. And, since Disney has now de-canonized all the novels published before ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', the point is now moot.

[[WMG: The reason the Millennium Falcon
was acting weird...]]
It was jealous of Leia.
* Maybe
weird on the falcon is related to Christine.
* Or
escape from Hoth because it wanted Han for itself. Y'know, like [[Series/DoctorWho the Tardis.
* Surprisingly, even though
TARDIS]]. What with all the droids in ''Star Wars'' are shown to use clearly using advanced AI, with C-3PO and R2-D2 in particular displaying unmistakable signs why wouldn't a ship itself have one? Maybe not all of sentience, them do, but that's what makes the films have, to date, never established that any spacecraft use AIs.
''Falcon'' special.




Leia was right: he does act like a nerf herder since he was one before getting the ''Falcon''.

[[WMG: There is a boggart living in the Dark Side Cave]]

And Luke Skywalker had to just say "Ridiculous" when he entered the cave. This would turn "Darth Vader" into Dark Helmet immediately. Yoda was expecting this from Luke.

[[WMG: Luke's training took years... Earth time.]]

Let's think about this. Firstly, there is no way Luke is going to be trained to anywhere near standard in a matter of days. Obviously the training is compressed film time. But what about Han, Leia, Chewie and the droids pottering about the galaxy with no hyperdrive? Distances between stars are literally light-years apart. It would have taken them time to get there, though possibly with the addition of time dilation, it might not seem so long.

Only problem is, the timeline only gives a year between the battles of Hoth and Endor. Luke's training could conceivably be only a few months, but the others would surely have took years (relative to Dagobah) to make it to Bespin. The solution? One year in the timeline isn't fixed according to how long our Earth takes to go round our sun, but some other planet around another sun, with a much longer orbital time.

** A possible explanation is to invoke time dilation. Without hyperdrive, the ''Falcon'' travels along the Ison Corridor (a strip of systems that are unusually close together, including Hoth and Bespin) at maximum sublight speed; the time dilation effect makes the relative trip time noticeably shorter for the crew than the outside observer. Therefore, Luke spends more time training on Dagobah than Han and co. experienced before arriving at Bespin.

** Luke locates Yoda so easily because Dagobah is a very small world. If I understand time dilation (and I don't,) a smaller planet = less gravitational force = time passing more quickly relative to an observer under greater exertion, such as A) Lando and Vader on the "gas giant"-type Bespin or B) Han, Leia and Threepio jetting around at or approaching the speed of light. Yoda and Luke are the "old twin" of Einstein's thought experiment, having racked up significantly more relative "time" than the other characters.

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\nAnd this is common knowledge. This is why when Leia was right: he does act like calls him a "scruffy-looking nerf herder since he was one before getting the ''Falcon''.

herder", Han's only objection is to "[[ITakeOffenseToThatLastOne scruffy-looking]]".

[[WMG: There is a boggart living in the The Dark Side Cave]]

And Luke Skywalker had to just say "Ridiculous"
Cave contains [[Franchise/HarryPotter a Boggart]].]]
The Boggart is a creature that takes the shape of the worst fear of whatever looks at it. Luke's was quite obviously Darth Vader. But Luke, by sheer coincidence, says "ridiculous"
when he entered enters the cave. This would turn cave and activates the spell that counteracts a Boggart -- turning it into something comedic. Hence why "Darth Vader" into became something more resembling [[Film/{{Spaceballs}} Dark Helmet immediately. Helmet]]. And Yoda was expecting this from Luke.

predicted all this.

[[WMG: Luke's training on Dagobah took years... Earth time.]]

Let's think about this. Firstly, there is no way
several years.]]
This gives the ''Falcon'' enough time to travel from Hoth to Bespin with a busted hyperdrive, and it gives
Luke is going enough time to be trained to anywhere near standard in actually ''learn'' something from Yoda. It doesn't take him just a matter few days of days. Obviously the training is compressed film time. But what about Han, Leia, Chewie and the droids pottering about the galaxy with no hyperdrive? Distances between stars are literally light-years apart. It would have taken them time to get there, though possibly with the addition of time dilation, it might not seem so long.

Only problem is,
strong enough to face Vader, doesn't it?

It requires a few {{Hand Wave}}s, though. One is that
the timeline only gives a one year between the battles of Hoth and Endor. Luke's training could conceivably be only a few months, Endor, but they never specified ''whose'' years -- it took several Earth years, which is the others time period with which the audience would surely have took years (relative to Dagobah) to make it to Bespin. be familiar. The solution? One year in the timeline isn't fixed according to how long our Earth other thing is that it takes to go round our sun, but some other planet around another sun, with a much longer orbital time.

** A possible explanation is to invoke
''long'' time dilation. Without to travel between systems without a hyperdrive, so the ''Falcon'' travels along EU established the Ison Corridor (a "Ison Corridor", a strip of systems that are unusually close together, including Hoth and Bespin) at maximum sublight speed; the time dilation effect makes the relative trip time noticeably shorter for the crew than the outside observer. Therefore, Luke spends more time training on Dagobah than Han and co. experienced before arriving at Bespin.

** Luke locates Yoda so easily because Dagobah is a very small world. If I understand time dilation (and I don't,) a smaller planet = less gravitational force = time passing more quickly relative to an observer under greater exertion, such as A) Lando and Vader on the "gas giant"-type Bespin or B) Han, Leia and Threepio jetting around at or approaching the speed of light. Yoda and Luke are the "old twin" of Einstein's thought experiment, having racked up significantly more relative "time" than the other characters.
Bespin.




People get shorter when they get old. Yoda officially lived to be 900. When Yoda was young, he was 6’ 5” and built like Shaquille O'Neal.
* Are you saying that he's secretly a super-old [[Manga/DragonBallZ Piccolo]]?
* Or Yoda is [[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]] at the end of his final incarnation. If "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E13LastOfTheTimeLords Last of the Timelords]]" is any indication, Timelords shrink down ''a lot'' when they get really old.
* Or Yoda is just an old Kerbal.

[[WMG: Obi-Wan being MetaphoricallyTrue was an attempt to kill Vader.]]
After everything that went down, Obi-Wan didn't think Vader was capable of redemption, and/or may have thought it better on the galaxy if he'd just [[MercyKill mercy killed]] Anakin on Mustafar. Obscuring certain details was a calculated attempt to make sure Luke would strike down Vader

[[WMG: Yoda had a defense system placed on Dagobah]]
It just makes landing ships sensors go batty, that's why Luke's X-wing crashed. He turned it off so Luke could leave.

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\nPeople [[MiniatureSeniorCitizens get shorter when they get old. really old]]. Yoda officially lived to be 900. When Yoda was young, he was 6’ 5” 6' 5" and built like Shaquille O'Neal.
* Are you saying that he's secretly
Creator/ShaquilleONeal. His shrinkage is just a super-old bit more pronounced in his species like it is with humans. We've seen [[Manga/DragonBallZ Piccolo]]?
* Or Yoda is [[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]] at the end of his final incarnation. If "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E13LastOfTheTimeLords Last of the Timelords]]" is any indication, Timelords
Namekians]], [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E13LastOfTheTimeLords Time Lords]], and [[VideoGame/KerbalSpaceProgram Kerbals]] shrink down ''a lot'' like that when they get really old.
* Or
age, so why not... whatever the heck Yoda is just an old Kerbal.

is?

[[WMG: Obi-Wan was being MetaphoricallyTrue was an attempt to kill Vader.because he wanted Vader dead.]]
After Obi-Wan was a witness to everything that went down, Obi-Wan Anakin did to become Vader. He didn't think Vader was capable or [[MoralEventHorizon worthy]] of redemption, and/or redemption. He feared that if Luke knew the truth, he would try to redeem Vader; but since Obi-Wan believed that to be impossible, it would just get Luke killed, or worse, turned to the Dark Side. Obi-Wan may also have thought it better on been ashamed of the galaxy if he'd just [[MercyKill mercy killed]] fact that he didn't MercyKill Anakin on Mustafar. Obscuring certain details was a calculated attempt Mustafar in ''Revenge of the Sith'' and wanted to make sure that Luke would strike down Vader

[[WMG: Yoda had a defense system placed on Dagobah]]
It just makes landing ships sensors go batty, that's why Luke's X-wing crashed. He turned it off so Luke could leave.
finished the job.



Yoda tells Luke that in the cave was "only what you take with you." Luke took his weapons, and Vader appears before him, and when Luke decapitates him, the mask explodes revealing Luke's face. [[MortonsFork But even if Luke went in unarmed, Vader would still have appeared]] because what Luke truly took in with him was his deep-seated fear and anger, which Vader embodied. And if Luke wanted to become a Jedi, he'd have to learn to deal with them.
* Pretty much canon.

[[WMG: Hoth isn't really an "ice planet".]]
Rather, it's a planet with an extremely long orbit that periodically takes it a loooong way away from its sun. Come back there in a few decades, and all that frozen wasteland will be grassy plains, with tauntauns striding around in grazing herds and wampas stalking them, camouflaged by their short, medium-brown summer fur.
* It's highly unlikely to be ''that'' eccentric an orbit (otherwise it would probably be pretty dark as well as cold), but it's probably eccentric that the whole planet freezes over for a good part of the year. I'd imagine it's not called an "ice planet" for nothing, though, and the whole point of the Rebels setting up a secret base there is that it's the least likely place the Empire are likely to find it, its being so inhospitable. So, I'm imagining the warmer regions around the equator/tropics resemble the Arctic Tundra during "summer" whilst the areas nearer the poles stay permanently frozen.

[[WMG: Yoda visited Dagobah in his youth.]]
It's one of the worlds he visited as a Padawan/Knight, centuries before the events of the films. Because it was so long ago, the planet never got into galactic records and became a private planet for Yoda.
* Well, he visited it in ''The Clone Wars'', certainly.

[[WMG: The sulfurous mineral-rich waters on Dagobah have therapeutic properties]]

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Yoda tells Luke that in the cave was "only what you take with you." Luke took his weapons, and Vader appears before him, and when him. When Luke decapitates him, the mask explodes revealing and reveals Luke's face. [[MortonsFork But even if Luke went in unarmed, Vader would still have appeared]] because what Luke truly took in with him was his deep-seated fear and anger, which Vader embodied. And if Luke wanted to become a Jedi, he'd have to learn to deal with them.
*
them. Pretty much canon.

canon, but nothing like any regular Jedi training we see elsewhere.

[[WMG: Hoth isn't really an "ice planet".a SingleBiomePlanet -- but it has extreme seasons.]]
Rather, it's Hoth has a planet with an extremely long and eccentric orbit that periodically takes it a loooong way pretty far away from its sun. sun for long periods of the year. Come back there in a few decades, Earth years, and all that the frozen wasteland will be grassy plains, with tauntauns striding around in grazing herds and wampas stalking them, camouflaged by their short, medium-brown summer fur.
* It's highly unlikely to be ''that'' eccentric an orbit (otherwise it would probably be pretty dark as well as cold), but it's probably eccentric that the whole planet freezes over for a good part
fur. That particular bit of the year. I'd imagine it's not called an "ice planet" for nothing, though, and the whole point of Hoth where the Rebels setting set up a secret base there is that it's pretty damn bright, implying something along the least likely lines of midnight summer at the poles. That makes it a perfect place in the middle of nowhere to hide from the Empire are likely -- and also not a place to find it, its being so inhospitable. So, I'm imagining the warmer regions around the equator/tropics resemble the Arctic Tundra during "summer" whilst the areas nearer the poles stay permanently frozen.

long-term.

[[WMG: Yoda visited Dagobah in his youth.]]
It's one of the worlds he visited as a Padawan/Knight, centuries before the events of the films. Because it was so long ago, the planet never got into galactic records
youth and became a claimed it as his own private planet for Yoda.
* Well,
planet.]]
The idea is that
he visited it centuries earlier, perhaps when he was a Padawan, before the Jedi started archiving all the planets. When they did start archiving, Yoda sneakily removed it from notice so that he could claim it for himself. It turned out to be quite convenient for him once things started turning pear-shaped in ''The Clone Wars'', certainly.

the Republic.

[[WMG: The sulfurous mineral-rich waters on Dagobah have therapeutic properties]] properties.]]



[[WMG: How Luke found Yoda so easily]]
A huge proportion of Dagobah's surface is overgrown by a massive single superorganism. The central tree of that organism is the most notable landmark on the planet, so any new arrival would feel compelled to land near it. That just so happened to be where Yoda built his hut.

[[WMG: Admiral Ozzel is exactly as incompetent as he's made out to be.]]
He works for a brutal, authoritarian government. Such regimes often favor loyalty to the guy in charge over actual competence. And even he probably only got to where he did thanks to the power vacuum caused by the deaths of the various high ranking members on the Death Star. He's a variant of the adage "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice", only replace malice with treachery.
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[[WMG: Admiral Ozzel is exactly as incompetent as he's made out to be.]]
He works for a brutal, authoritarian government. Such regimes often favor loyalty to the guy in charge over actual competence. And even he probably only got to where he did thanks to the power vacuum caused by the deaths of the various high ranking members on the Death Star. He's a variant of the adage "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice", only replace malice with treachery.
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** If that's the case, I imagine that the Empire would try to use this discovery to make them seem more heroic: "Yeah, we [[MoralEventHorzion destroyed a peaceful planet]], [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans but we did it for the greater good!]] [[BlatantLies We knew about the space slugs all along]]-they [[FateWorseThanDeath would've condemned Alderaan to a slow destruction]]. [[FromACertainPointOfView There was nothing we could do to stop them]], [[MercyKill ending their lives was a mercy.]] [[StrawHypocrite Trust us-we're the good guys!]]"

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** If that's the case, I imagine that the Empire would try to use this discovery to make them seem more heroic: "Yeah, we [[MoralEventHorzion destroyed a peaceful planet]], [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans but we did it for the greater good!]] [[BlatantLies We knew about the space slugs all along]]-they [[FateWorseThanDeath would've condemned Alderaan to a slow destruction]]. [[FromACertainPointOfView [[MetaphoricallyTrue There was nothing we could do to stop them]], [[MercyKill ending their lives was a mercy.]] [[StrawHypocrite Trust us-we're the good guys!]]"



[[WMG: Obi-Wan's JediTruth was an attempt to kill Vader.]]

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[[WMG: Obi-Wan's JediTruth Obi-Wan being MetaphoricallyTrue was an attempt to kill Vader.]]
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* This reminds of something I read on [[fridge/solo fridge page for Solo]] comparing the hug Lando give Han when he arrived at cloud city to the one Han give Lando before he won the Falcon from him. So as Cannon material go, this likely cloud be truth.

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* This reminds of something I read on [[fridge/solo [[Fridge/{{Solo}} fridge page for Solo]] comparing the hug Lando give Han when he arrived at cloud city to the one Han give Lando before he won the Falcon from him. So as Cannon material go, goes, this likely cloud be truth.
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* This reminds of something I read on [[fridge/solo fridge page for Solo]] comparing the hug Lando give Han when he arrived at cloud city to the one Han give Lando before he won the Falcon from him. So as Cannon material go, this likely cloud be truth.
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[[WMG: The sulfurous mineral-rich waters on Dagobah have therapeutic properties]]
Yoda, having suffered multiple strokes at his old age, chose Dagobah as his retreat to help him ease into recovery, giving him time to meditate more freely. This is why his strange syntax patterns aren't as pronounced in Episode V as they were in the prequels.

[[WMG: How Luke found Yoda so easily]]
A huge proportion of Dagobah's surface is overgrown by a massive single superorganism. The central tree of that organism is the most notable landmark on the planet, so any new arrival would feel compelled to land near it. That just so happened to be where Yoda built his hut.
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* Surprisingly, even though droids in ''Star Wars'' are shown to use advanced AI, with C3PO and R2D2 in particular displaying unmistakable signs of sentience, the films have, to date, never established that any spacecraft use AIs.

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* Surprisingly, even though droids in ''Star Wars'' are shown to use advanced AI, with C3PO C-3PO and R2D2 R2-D2 in particular displaying unmistakable signs of sentience, the films have, to date, never established that any spacecraft use AIs.
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Yoda constructs his sentences object-subject-verb. ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' presents Vandar Tokare, a Jedi Master of the same species, who uses normal grammar, so the rearranged sentence structure is not a feature of their species's language. My theory is that Yoda deliberately rearranges his grammar so that anybody listening to him has to break apart and arrange his words correctly. To do so, they have to listen to what he is saying. If they understand what he says, they will understand what he means.

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Yoda constructs his sentences object-subject-verb. ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' presents Vandar Tokare, a Jedi Master of the same species, who uses normal grammar, so the rearranged sentence structure is not a feature of their species's language. My theory is that Yoda deliberately rearranges his grammar so that anybody listening to him has to break apart and arrange his words correctly. To do so, they have to listen to what he is saying. If they understand what he says, they will understand what he means.



* If you pay attention in ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', you'll notice that Vandar has the habit of blinking his eyes sequentially. Perhaps each member of his and Yoda's species are born with their own unique quirk? Vandar's quirk is his blinking, and Yoda's quirk is his speech pattern.

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* If you pay attention in ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', you'll notice that Vandar has the habit of blinking his eyes sequentially. Perhaps each member of his and Yoda's species are born with their own unique quirk? Vandar's quirk is his blinking, and Yoda's quirk is his speech pattern.
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* Are you saying that he's secretly a super-old [[DragonBallZ Piccolo]]?

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* Are you saying that he's secretly a super-old [[DragonBallZ [[Manga/DragonBallZ Piccolo]]?
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* The problem with the original WMG statement rationale is that there was no "master plan" involving the two prior to ESB. In fact ''Literature/SplinterOfTheMindsEye'', the novel commissioned initially as an alternate movie storyline, has numerous ShipTease moments between the two, including a sexually charged moment where Luke briefly admires Leia's body while she changes. One thing to keep in mind is, before Disney bought Lucasfilm, ''every'' spin-off novel was considered official canon by Lucas, including ''Splinter of the Mind's Eye''. Fortunately, it was the only novel featuring Luke and Leia to be published prior to ''Return of the Jedi'' and its big reveal, so it's the only "problematic" storyline. And, since Disney has now de-canonized all the novels published before ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', the point is now moot.




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* Surprisingly, even though droids in ''Star Wars'' are shown to use advanced AI, with C3PO and R2D2 in particular displaying unmistakable signs of sentience, the films have, to date, never established that any spacecraft use AIs.
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...with a minimum of fuss. Throwing out old insults, basically being a jackass to him, bringing up a mutual old shame (read more about it in ''Scoundrels'' and the HanSoloTrilogy!)--and all of it meant to make Han pull a Cartman, tell Lando where to shove it, and fly away. Boom, no Solo, no trouble. Except Boba Fett and Vader were already there and very much in control; they basically point a gun at Lando's head, use Cloud City against him, and say Obey Or Die. And so he begrudginly lets Han in to the city, knowing [[OhCrap full damn well what's going to happen to all of them]].

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...with a minimum of fuss. Throwing out old insults, basically being a jackass to him, bringing up a mutual old shame (read more about it in ''Scoundrels'' and the HanSoloTrilogy!)--and Literature/TheHanSoloTrilogy!)--and all of it meant to make Han pull a Cartman, tell Lando where to shove it, and fly away. Boom, no Solo, no trouble. Except Boba Fett and Vader were already there and very much in control; they basically point a gun at Lando's head, use Cloud City against him, and say Obey Or Die. And so he begrudginly lets Han in to the city, knowing [[OhCrap full damn well what's going to happen to all of them]].
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* Alternatively, Crix Madine may have had something to do with it. He defected to the Rebellion [[RogueSquadron between Episodes IV and V]], but you never know how sincere he actually was.

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* Alternatively, Crix Madine may have had something to do with it. He defected to the Rebellion [[RogueSquadron [[VideoGame/RogueSquadron between Episodes IV and V]], but you never know how sincere he actually was.
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* Or Yoda is just an old Kerbal.
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* Well, he visited it in ''The Clone Wars'', certainly.
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** [[TheChessmaster R2D2 knew where Yoda was hiding, and steered the ship towards his camp.]]

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** [[TheChessmaster R2D2 R2-D2 knew where Yoda was hiding, and steered the ship towards his camp.]]



* It's also possible that Lando's technicians did absolutely nothing in the first place. They didn't even touch the hyperdrive. Vader takes it as read that it's broken beyond repair, not counting on R2D2 being able to repair it.

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* It's also possible that Lando's technicians did absolutely nothing in the first place. They didn't even touch the hyperdrive. Vader takes it as read that it's broken beyond repair, not counting on R2D2 R2-D2 being able to repair it.
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** Luke locates Yoda so easily because Dagobah is a very small world. If I understand time dilation (and I don't,) a smaller planet = less gravitational force =
time passing more quickly relative to an observer under greater exertion, such as A) Lando and Vader on the "gas giant"-type Bespin or B) Han, Leia and Threepio jetting around at or approaching the speed of light. Yoda and Luke are the "old twin" of Einstein's thought experiment, having racked up significantly more relative "time" than the other characters.

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** Luke locates Yoda so easily because Dagobah is a very small world. If I understand time dilation (and I don't,) a smaller planet = less gravitational force =
= time passing more quickly relative to an observer under greater exertion, such as A) Lando and Vader on the "gas giant"-type Bespin or B) Han, Leia and Threepio jetting around at or approaching the speed of light. Yoda and Luke are the "old twin" of Einstein's thought experiment, having racked up significantly more relative "time" than the other characters.
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** Luke locates Yoda so easily because Dagobah is a very small world. If I understand time dilation (and I don't,) a smaller planet = less gravitational force =
time passing more quickly relative to an observer under greater exertion, such as A) Lando and Vader on the "gas giant"-type Bespin or B) Han, Leia and Threepio jetting around at or approaching the speed of light. Yoda and Luke are the "old twin" of Einstein's thought experiment, having racked up significantly more relative "time" than the other characters.
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[[WMG: Yoda visited Dagobah in his youth.]]
It's one of the worlds he visited as a Padawan/Knight, centuries before the events of the films. Because it was so long ago, the planet never got into galactic records and became a private planet for Yoda.
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** Or it was just an awkward situation: accepting the above, pissing Han off was an excuse for Leia to TestKiss Luke. When [[NoSparks the test failed]], they both knew something else was up between them.
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* It's highly unlikely to be ''that'' eccentric an orbit (otherwise it would probably be pretty dark as well as cold), but it's probably eccentric that the whole planet freezes over for a good part of the year. I'd imagine it's not called an "ice planet" for nothing, though, and the whole point of the Rebels setting up a secret base there is that it's the least likely place the Empire are likely to find it, its being so inhospitable. So, I'm imagining the warmer regions around the equator/tropics resemble the Arctic Tundra during "summer" whilst the areas nearer the poles stay permanently frozen.
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[[WMG: Hoth isn't really an "ice planet".]]
Rather, it's a planet with an extremely long orbit that periodically takes it a loooong way away from its sun. Come back there in a few decades, and all that frozen wasteland will be grassy plains, with tauntauns striding around in grazing herds and wampas stalking them, camouflaged by their short, medium-brown summer fur.
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* Pretty much canon.

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