History WMG / PuellaMagiMadokaMagica2

[[WMG: The only reason Sayake was offered magical girlhood was to entice Madoka]]
Note that during Homura's first two loops, Sayake isn't shown to have been a magical girl. It's only after Madoka starts getting more and more potential from the time loops that Sayake is suddenly seen as a member of the group. It's also known that Sayake is the weakest member of the group. It's possible that Kyubei originally didn't consider her a candidate, but chose to also offer her the status so that Madoka wouldn't have to distance herself from all her old friends, making it more likely she would accept the contract.

OnceUponATime, humans were insignificant and suffering from being eaten by predators or killed by diseases or [[NatureIsNotNice anything Nature has to torment and destroy their weak bodies]]. However, Humans had a mysterious potential, and The Incubators, trying and failing to find a solution to Universal Entropy, colonized Earth to examined the potential of the young race dying from extinction. Eventually they found and saved a human girl dissatisfied by the brutality of Nature and willing to enter a contract. That girl was Eve. The wish was Knowledge, to create Human Civilization that shall have Dominion over Nature instead of being dominated by it, as indicated by Kyubey's quote "[[AncientAstronauts If it wasn't for us, then you humans would still be naked and living in caves]]". Since there was no witches to fight, Eve would solely use her powers to protect humanity, invent various technologies that humans can use, and guide civilization. But Eve eventually succumbed to despair, and so she became the first witch; Lilith, starting the cycle amongst humans.

* From a different troper: Details for how may be specific to each girl's circumstances and likely requires a very close relationship between the girl and anyone that may be critical in "bringing her back from the brink" - not necessarily RomanticTwoGirlFriendship levels, but at least someone whom the Witch would be able to let down her defenses and accept that "this person in front of me is not a threat and wants to help." However, given that: 1) Witches are running chiefly on emotion and are usually not being rational (and Sayaka is moreover rather headstrong), 2) the one who would be most able to reach out is often the same one who is at the root of the conflict (and therefore would elicit hostile reactions - Hitomi would pretty much have to be willing to face death), and 3) the difficulty in finding someone to be the one to reach out (other magical girls are often suspicious and not prone to cooperation on such a deep level, non-magical girls may be skeptical and will be ''very'' vulnerable), any such endeavour probably won't have odds better than the lottery. And even if Kyubey were to ever somehow calculate that successfully bringing this particular Witch back ''would'' be beneficial entropy-wise in the long run, the amount of time and effort needed to find someone that might be able to pull it off (and therefore not spent on making contracts/cultivating Witches/harvesting energy)[[note]]rational ignorance on the part of the Incubators - they don't know how because the potential benefit is far too little to justify the potential cost of even finding out how, much less actually doing it[[/note]] plus the risk of losing so many potential Witches via dead magical girls (including any potential future ones, e.g. Hitomi) would most likely be too much to bet on the line. TL;DR - It might be possible, but the odds of pulling it off are so remote even in the best case scenario it's not worthwhile for Kyubey to find out.

The Incubators and the Producers simply gave the NoConservationOfEnergy HandWave about "losing Energy" because they thought Madoka and the audience were idiots who cannot understand the real cause of the End of the Universe As We Know It, and so can only understand a bite-sized version of Middle School Thermodynamics instead of Incubator-level Theoretical Physics stuff such as dark matter and dark energy. Also because the revelation of Kyubey (aka "Mr. MetaphoricallyTrue") meant the sudden and sloppy GenreShift of this anime from a Faustian MagicalGirl fantasy into an Asimov-like speculative Science Fiction, and so they simply never had the time and the enough level in the MohsScaleOfSciFiHardness to discuss and theoretically demonstrate the ramifications and consequences of the how [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt The End of the Universe As We Know It]] will happen, while still retaining the Madokaverse's central theme of EquivalentExchange.

** Jesus' original wish was to save the Israelites from the oppression of the Roman Empire, and convert the Romans to the light of the Israelite God. Unfortunately, he was betrayed by his own people, and handed over to the Romans to be crucified. On the Cross he cried out how God had forsaken him, and fell into despair, manifesting his Witch form as the menace of humanity: {{Satan}}. Still, his wish did come true: the Israelite religion soon came to dominate the Roman Empire, and this is what we now know as {{UsefulNotes/Christianity}}.

In the incantation of Walpurgis that appears on the supplementary manuals, she refers to writing a play. And Anne was fond of writing. Also, she could have been so powerful as to become a god because she was the assimilator of the accumulated despair and deaths of World War II.

** Adolf Hitler was in fact a Puella Magi. All he wished for was the unification and prosperity of Germany, for Germany to become the supreme leader of Europe... but that drove him into insanity and create the most genocidal empire of all time. This was especially painful with how Hitler's actions drove to despair a fellow Puella, Anne Frank. When he committed suicide on April 30, all the suffering, hatred, despair and misery of World War II and UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust accumulated inside him and twisted to become his own Wagnerian theatrical world: Walpurgisnacht. Still, Hitler's wish did come true: nowadays Germany is one of the richest and most technologically advanced countries in the world, and the leader of the UsefulNotes/EuropeanUnion.

* Another theory: The historical figure known as {{UsefulNotes/Jesus}} Christ was a Puella Magi.
** Jesus' original wish was to save the Israelites from the oppression of the Roman Empire, and convert the Romans to the light of the Israelite God. Unfortunately, he was betrayed by his own people, and handed over to the Romans to be crucified. On the Cross he cried out how God had forsaken him, and fell into despair, manifesting his witch form as the menace of all mankind: {{Satan}}. Still, his wish did come true: the Israelite religion soon came to dominate the Roman Empire, and this is what we now know as {{UsefulNotes/Christianity}}.

[[WMG: Some other Witch theories...]]

** Adolf Hitler was in fact a Puella Magi. All he wished for was the unification and prosperity of Germany, for Germany to become the supreme leader of Europe... but that drove him into insanity and create the most genocidal empire of all time. This was especially painful with how Hitler's actions led to the absolute despair of a fellow Puella, Anne Frank. When he committed suicide on April 30, all the suffering, hatred and misery of World War II and the Holocaust accumulated inside him and twisted to become his own Wagnerian theatrical world: Walpurgisnacht. Still, Hitler's wish did come true: nowadays Germany is one of the richest and most technologically advanced countries in the world, and the leader of the UsefulNotes/EuropeanUnion.

** Jesus' original wish was to save the Israelites from the oppression of the Roman Empire, and convert the Romans to the light of the Israelite God. Unfortunately, he was betrayed by his own people, and handed over to the Romans to be crucified. Still, his wish did come true: the Israelite religion soon came to dominate the Roman Empire, and this is what we now know as {{UsefulNotes/Christianity}}.

** Adolf Hitler was in fact a Puella Magi. All he wished for was the unification and prosperity of Germany, for Germany to become the supreme leader of Europe... but that drove him into insanity and create the most genocidal empire of all time. This was especially painful with how Hitler's actions led to the absolute despair of a fellow Puella, Anne Frank. When he committed suicide on April 30, all the suffering, hatresd and misery of World War II and the Holocaust accumulated inside him and twisted to become his own Wagnerian theastrical world: Walpurgisnacht. Still, in a twisted manner, Hitler's wish did come true: nowadays Germany is one of the richest and most technologically advanced countries in the world, and the leader of the UsefulNotes/EuropeanUnion.

* Another theory: The historical figure known as {{Jesus}} Christ was a Puella Magi.

She is a witch who has taken on the form of a dog in the hope of being loved by all. Her minions are interior decorators who just stand around aimlessly. As a human girl, Uhrmann was from a well-off family, but her life was unhappy. Her mother was a shallow kind of person who valued material possessions and beautiful things over her family and treated her dog, an expensive designer breed, better than her daughter. Uhrmann was taught that she should just stand still and be quiet at all times because she wasn't good for anything else, hence the familiars who don't do anything. Her wish was to become more beautiful so her mother would love her more, but when it didn't work, she fell into despair and became a witch. (Alternatively, her wish was for her mother to love her, and it worked, but Uhrmann soon realized that her mother's love was shallow, and that because of who her mother was a person, she could only love another human being in the way someone would love a beautiful dress or a pile of money.)

[[note]] For the sake of clarity I will refer to the event as "Walpurgisnight" and the Witch as "Walpurgisnacht"[[/note]]When Kyouko [[HeroicSacrifice suicide]] [[TakingYouWithMe attacks]] Oktavia von Seckendorff in the manga, we are shown [[http://www.mangareader.net/mahou-shoujo-madoka-magica/9/38 a scene with Kyouko and Sayaka in some kind of afterlife]], indicating that some semblance of an afterlife for Puellae Magi already existed before Madoka's CosmicRetcon. This is {{Jossed}}, however, during Homura's battle with Walpurgisnacht later in the manga. Remember how Walpurgisnacht's [[{{Mook}} Familiars]] resembled Puellae Magi? Well, in the manga three of them are clearly [[http://www.mangareader.net/mahou-shoujo-madoka-magica/11/25 Sayaka, Kyouko]] and [[http://www.mangareader.net/mahou-shoujo-madoka-magica/11/26 Mami]], all of which died in different ways[[note]] Mami's Soul Gem (as well as the rest of her) was eaten by Charlotte, Sayaka became a Witch, and Kyouko purposefully destroyed her Soul Gem to create a giant explosion. Kyouko's Soul Gem was also destroyed in timeline 3, but didn't explode, suggesting differing effects in the case of a HeroicSacrifice.[[/note]], suggesting that ''all'' dead Puellae Magi become Walpurgisnacht's Familiars.

Inspired by [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/PuellaMagiKazumiMagica a WMG of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica]] and borrowing from some WMG above and real history.\\

* Based on [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Puella_Magi_Production_Note#Witch_of_cheesecake_.28early_concept_that_later_became_Charlotte.29 early production notes] it sounds like Charlotte was a girl who wanted her favorite cheese cake. Meanwhile her mother, friend, or other significant other, was sick in the hospital, hence the medical theme in her labyrinth. Her "selfish" wish of getting a cake for her self over curing her mother's terrible disease drove her into despair.

Considering that they have conquered personal death, I believe that the Incubators are concerned solely with their own survival and consider any atrocity justifiable in order to maintain it. This only makes them evil from the perspective of their victims... [[NotSoDifferent wouldn't we do the exact same thing in their position]]?

Kyubey's credo: [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans The Universe Justifies The Means]]. Homura's credo: [[SaveTheGirlScrewTheWorld Madoka Justifies The Means]]. I can bet that Kyubey might have gave her a HannibalLecture about his, how Homura is NotSoDifferent from him, or even worse, due to her more selfish Madoka-centric goals that pale in comparison to Kyubey's For the Greater Good, but it seemed to have really pissed her off, the "shoot Kyubey everytime he shows up even though it is utterly futile and Kyubey is immortal" is very likely done also as a form of angry ShutUpHannibal.

When Roberta was a teenager, she had strict parents who never allowed her to do anything fun or hang out with classmates or friends. (Her witch form is an IronicHell because she escaped the “cage” that was her strict household, only to fall into a different “cage” later on -- namely, an addiction to drugs and alcohol.) When she was a young adult, she made a wish to be free from the strict life she had once led. So, elated by her newfound freedom, she overcompensated. She started going to wild parties, drinking lots of alcohol, and having sex with boys. She had also been plain-looking in her childhood, but had grown up to become quite beautiful and attracted a lot of male attention, which she greatly enjoyed. Unfortunately, she did not know how to do these things in moderation. She had not yet learned self-restraint, and was enjoying these things way too much because nobody had taught her about the possible negative consequences of overdoing them.

But, one day, Roberta met a man who seemed like everything she had ever dreamed of. He acted so gentlemanly and kind towards her. She instantly fell in love with him and they started a relationship. He said to her he’d never met a girl like her before. She was so happy that she started to get her life back on track, and even made steps toward kicking her addictions...but somehow, she found out he’d had many other girlfriends before her. He had told all of these other girls the same beautiful, romantic things he had told her, only to quickly lose interest in them and move on, leaving a trail of broken hearts behind him. In despair, she asked him if it was true, and he laughed at her and told her that she was naive for being fooled by his sweet words. He said something like, “Did you really think I meant all of those things I said? Who could ever love a mess of a person like you?” Filled with rage and grief, she killed him, fell into the DespairEventHorizon and transformed into a witch.

She is a witch who has taken on the form of a dog in the hope of being loved by all. Her minions are interior decorators who just stand around aimlessly. As a human girl, Uhrmann was from a well-off family, but her life was unhappy. Her mother was a shallow kind of person who valued material possessions and beautiful things over her family and treated her dog, an expensive designer breed, better than her daughter. Uhrmann was taught that she should just stand still and be quiet at all times because she wasn't good for anything else, hence the familiars who don't do anything. Her wish was to become more beautiful so her mother would love her more, but when it didn't work, she fell into despair and became a witch.

When Roberta was a teenager, she had strict parents who never allowed her to do anything fun or hang out with classmates or friends. When she was a young adult, she made a wish to be free from the strict life she had once led. So, elated by her newfound freedom, she overcompensated. She started going to wild parties, drinking lots of alcohol, and having sex with boys. She had also been plain-looking in her childhood, but had grown up to become quite beautiful and attracted a lot of male attention, which she greatly enjoyed. Unfortunately, she did not know how to do these things in moderation. She had not yet learned self-restraint, and was enjoying these things way too much because nobody had taught her about the possible negative consequences of overdoing them.

Eventually, the consequences caught up with her. Perhaps she fell pregnant from unprotected sex or got into a drunken car crash. Something that made her realize the partying lifestyle wasn't as glamorous as it first seemed. But by this time, she had become addicted to it. Addicted to all the things that helped her forget about her own deeper insecurities — partying, alcohol (and possibly hard drugs), and sex. At first she had been so happy that she had finally become beautiful and that men found her attractive (maybe as a teenager, she had self-image issues and/or was bullied for her looks), but came to realize that none of her partners ever saw her as more than a glorified blow-up doll. Secretly, she hated herself for her addiction, but she couldn’t stop. She kept on partying, living, and fighting until the alcohol and/or drugs destroyed her body, causing her to fall into despair and become a witch. Her witch form is an IronicHell because she escaped the “cage” that was her strict household, only to fall into a different “cage”, the trap of alcohol and drug addiction.

Eventually, the consequences caught up with her. Perhaps she fell pregnant from unprotected sex or got into a drunken car crash. Something that made her realize the partying lifestyle wasn't as glamorous as it first seemed. But by this time, she had become addicted to it. Addicted to all the things that helped her forget about her own deeper insecurities — partying, alcohol (and possibly hard drugs), and sex. Sex with men who were eager to sleep with her because of her beauty, but none of them ever saw her as more than a glorified blow-up doll. Secretly, she hated herself for her addiction, but she couldn’t stop. She kept on partying, living, and fighting until the alcohol and/or drugs destroyed her body, causing her to fall into despair and become a witch. Her witch form is an IronicHell because she escaped the “cage” that was her strict household, only to fall into a different “cage”, the trap of alcohol and drug addiction.

[[WMG:The origin of [[https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Roberta]]]]

Eventually, the consequences caught up with her. Perhaps she fell pregnant from unprotected sex or got into a drunken car crash. Something that made her realize the partying lifestyle wasn't as glamorous as it first seemed. But she was addicted to it and couldn't stop, until she eventually became a witch, hating herself for her addiction.

[[WMG:It is completely impossible for normal magical girls to kill Walpurgisnacht.]]

The only one with the potential to permanently kill Walpurgisnacht is Madoka in her most powerful (pre-Godoka) magical girl form, but of course that's a PyrrhicVictory as she has to use up all her magic to do so and then turn into the even bigger, planet-devouring Kriemhild Gretchen. Madoka becoming a goddess and RetGone-ing Walpurgisnacht out of existence and absorbing her into the Law of Cycles was the only way to defeat her for good. (For the purpose of this theory, ''Madoka Magica Portable'' does not count [in which it is possible to defeat Walpurgisnacht and retrieve her Grief Seed]).

The only one with the potential to permanently kill Walpurgisnacht is Madoka in her most powerful (pre-Godoka) magical girl, but of course that's a PyrrhicVictory as she has to use up all her magic to do so and then turn into the even bigger, planet-devouring Kriemhild Gretchen. Madokami RetGone-ing Walpurgisnacht out of existence and absorbing her in the Law of Cycles was the only way to defeat her for good. (For the purpose of this theory, ''Madoka Magica Portable'' does not count [in which it is possible to defeat Walpurgisnacht and retrieve her Grief Seed]).

[[WMG:Walpurgisnacht cannot be killed by conventional means. Ever.]]

Even Madoka in her most powerful (pre-Godoka) magical girl form cannot kill Walpurgisnacht, only make her instantly leave the area and disappear to...wherever she goes when she's not out leveling cities. Madokami RetGone-ing Walpurgisnacht out of existence and absorbing her in the Law of Cycles was the only way to defeat her for good. (For the purpose of this theory, ''Madoka Magica Portable'' does not count [in which it is possible to defeat Walpurgisnacht and retrieve her Grief Seed]).

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Even Madoka in her most powerful (pre-Godoka) magical girl form cannot kill Walpurgisnacht, only make her instantly leave the area and disappear to...wherever she goes when she's not out leveling cities. Godoka retconning Walpurgisnacht out of existence and absorbing her in the Law of Cycles was the only way to defeat her for good. (For the purpose of this theory, ''Madoka Magica Portable'' does not count [in which it is possible to defeat Walpurgisnacht and retrieve her Grief Seed]).

[[WMG:Walpurgisnacht cannot be defeated without resulting in a PyrrhicVictory]]
That is to say, she cannot be "killed" by normal means. Ever. Even when she seems to be defeated (like the 3rd timeline where Homura and Madoka faced her and won, but at the cost of almost turning into witches themselves), she doesn't die, she simply runs out of steam and disappears to somewhere else, like a hurricane that eventually dissipates when it travels over land or cold water. Ever notice how she never seems to drop a Grief Seed? Even Madoka in her most powerful (pre-Godoka) form cannot vanquish her without the law of EquivalentExchange requiring that she use up all her magic to make Walpurgisnacht go away and in the process turn into Kriemhild Gretchen. (For the purposes of this theory, ''Madoka Magica Portable'' does not count [in which it is possible to defeat Walpurgisnacht and retrieve her Grief Seed]).

That is to say, she cannot be "killed" by normal means. Ever. Even when she seems to be defeated (like the 3rd timeline where Homura and Madoka faced her and won, but at the cost of almost turning into witches themselves), she doesn't die, she simply runs out of steam and disappears to somewhere else, like a hurricane that eventually dissipates when it travels over land or cold water. And she will always eventually come back, like a recurring natural disaster. Even Madoka in her most powerful (pre-Godoka) form cannot vanquish her without the law of EquivalentExchange requiring that she use up all her magic to make Walpurgisnacht vanish and turn into Kriemhild Gretchen. (For the purposes of this theory, ''Madoka Magica Portable'' does not count [in which it is possible to defeat Walpurgisnacht and retrieve her Grief Seed]).

It exists and infests outside of known reality, ''[[UpToEleven is even more alien than the Incubators themselves, infinitely worse than our limited scientific conception of entropy]]'', [[SpacetimeEater and is eating]] [[ApocalypseHow Reality alive]]. Its [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm true form is completely]] [[YouKeepUsingThatWord Inconceivable]], and the Incubators can only describe it vaguely to us laypersons by paralleling with the scientific concept of entropy we learned from ordinary middle school Science (hence why they refer to it as Entropy. The abomination's presence accelerates the decomposition process of Reality, there this Abomination is basically Entropy, as expected with the Incubators who are pathological users of MetaphoricallyTrue).

Albertine was a very young girl when she contracted. Her parents were very harsh, to the point of being abusive, and would punish her severely for telling a lie, even about the smallest things. She would always run and hide whenever they were angry, hence her witch form's enjoyment of hide-and-seek. Her wish was to be able to hide from her parents or go to a place where they couldn't find her (or something to that effect). Her magical girl form gave her the ability to
conceal herself and create fun spaces where she could play without fear of being discovered. But since all she did was run and hide, she did not get into fights with any witches, and eventually the loneliness of always playing by herself got to be too much, causing her to become a witch herself. Alternatively, because of her young age and inexperience with fighting, she was mortally wounded in her first battle with a witch, and the despair of dying caused her to witch out.