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* DelusionsOfEloquence: When FeigningIntelligence meets [[SesquipedalianLoquaciousness Sesquicentennial Locomotiveness]], [[HilarityEnsues hilariosity will be in a state of insinuation]].


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* TheMalaproper: When someone's word choice ''sounds'' like the right word, but is actually the [[SelfDemonstratingArticle fright ward]].
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** Somewhat justified for English, which has remained more or less stable since Shakespeare's days, but for the vast majority of languages, even a 50 year gap will be very noticeable.

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** HollywoodApocrypha: TheThemeParkVersion of the Early Modern English used in the King James Bible, applied to all fictional religious texts.
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** EitherWorldDominationOrSomethingAboutBananas: An in-universe translation that comes up with two options, one of which is close to the intended meaning and one of which is ridiculously off.
** TranslationTrainwreck: What happens when a BlindIdiotTranslation is taken to extremes. Like an actual trainwreck, however, it can be [[GoodBadTranslation morbidly fascinating]].

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** * EitherWorldDominationOrSomethingAboutBananas: An in-universe translation that comes up with two options, one of which is close to the intended meaning and one of which is ridiculously off.
** * TranslationTrainwreck: What happens when a BlindIdiotTranslation is taken to extremes. Like an actual trainwreck, however, it can be [[GoodBadTranslation morbidly fascinating]].
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A Grammar Nazi is specifically someone who insistently points out errors in usage.


Someone who gets a little too invested in pointing out these errors might be a GrammarNazi.



Many people assume "linguistics" to be all about correcting spelling, pronunciation and grammar "errors". In fact there is no such thing as objectively correct usage[[note]]True, as far as it goes, but there is a recognized difference between '''descriptive''' and '''prescriptive''' linguistics with widely differing aims.[[/note]], as languages evolve over time - linguists concern themselves with studying actual usage, warts and all. The following tropes are not strictly linguistics failures, simply poor usage:

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Many people assume "linguistics" to be all about correcting spelling, pronunciation and grammar "errors". In fact there is no such thing as objectively correct usage[[note]]True, as far as it goes, but there is a recognized difference between '''descriptive''' and '''prescriptive''' linguistics with widely differing aims.[[/note]], as languages evolve over time - linguists concern themselves with studying actual usage, warts and all.all, rather than trying to be a GrammarNazi. The following tropes are not strictly linguistics failures, simply poor usage:
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Someone who gets a little too invested in pointing out these errors might be a GrammarNazi.

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There's a whole lot of science-related fail in fiction, with some fields of knowledge bearing the brunt worse than others. In the case of linguistics, the vast majority of people have no idea it exists, never mind the basics. Obviously, this includes writers. Indeed, the prevalence of this trope (and its relative lack of being noticed) can be attributed to this fact - most people recognize that when dealing with questions of physics, biology, chemistry, etc., they need to ask an expert (though many writers [[TheyJustDidntCare just don't care]]) - whereas with linguistics, most people don't even realize that there are experts to be asked, much less that their own knowledge is generally insufficient.

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There's There are a whole lot of science-related fail inaccuracies in fiction, with some fields of knowledge bearing the brunt worse than others. In the case of linguistics, the vast majority of people have no idea it exists, never mind the basics. Obviously, this includes writers. Indeed, the prevalence of this trope (and its relative lack of being noticed) can be attributed to this fact - most people recognize that when dealing with questions of physics, biology, chemistry, etc., they need to ask an expert (though many writers [[TheyJustDidntCare just don't care]]) - expert, whereas with linguistics, most many people don't even realize that there are experts to be asked, much less that their own knowledge is generally insufficient.
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* YouKeepUsingThatWord: Words have meanings that are understood based on how speakers of the language use them. Some people think that using words counter to it's etymology or dictionary definition are improper and try to correct others.

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* YouKeepUsingThatWord: Words have colloquial meanings that are understood based on how speakers of the language use them. Some people think that using words counter to it's its etymology or dictionary definition are improper and try to correct others.
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* YouKeepUsingThatWord: Words have clearly-defined meanings. This is what happens when they get misused.

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* YouKeepUsingThatWord: Words have clearly-defined meanings. This is what happens when they get misused.
meanings that are understood based on how speakers of the language use them. Some people think that using words counter to it's etymology or dictionary definition are improper and try to correct others.
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* AntiquatedLinguistics: TheThemeParkVersion of Victorian (essentially Present Day) English, spoken by everyone post-Regency up until the end of TheRoaringTwenties. [[hottip:*:This trope is present in most parodies of silent film, but pastiches of the 1930s onward sound much the same as the talkies of the period--normal.]]

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* AntiquatedLinguistics: TheThemeParkVersion of Victorian (essentially Present Day) English, spoken by everyone post-Regency up until the end of TheRoaringTwenties. [[hottip:*:This [[note]]This trope is present in most parodies of silent film, but pastiches of the 1930s onward sound much the same as the talkies of the period--normal.]][[/note]]



Many people assume "linguistics" to be all about correcting spelling, pronunciation and grammar "errors". In fact there is no such thing as objectively correct usage[[hottip:*:True, as far as it goes, but there is a recognized difference between '''descriptive''' and '''prescriptive''' linguistics with widely differing aims.]], as languages evolve over time - linguists concern themselves with studying actual usage, warts and all. The following tropes are not strictly linguistics failures, simply poor usage:

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Many people assume "linguistics" to be all about correcting spelling, pronunciation and grammar "errors". In fact there is no such thing as objectively correct usage[[hottip:*:True, usage[[note]]True, as far as it goes, but there is a recognized difference between '''descriptive''' and '''prescriptive''' linguistics with widely differing aims.]], [[/note]], as languages evolve over time - linguists concern themselves with studying actual usage, warts and all. The following tropes are not strictly linguistics failures, simply poor usage:



* RougeAnglesOfSatin: [[SelfDemonstratingArticle Wan righters how Kant spiel really two heavenly in the spoil cheque fracture off there ward proctologist.]][[hottip:*:When writers who can't spell rely too heavily on the spellcheck feature of their word-processor.]]

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* RougeAnglesOfSatin: [[SelfDemonstratingArticle Wan righters how Kant spiel really two heavenly in the spoil cheque fracture off there ward proctologist.]][[hottip:*:When ]][[note]]When writers who can't spell rely too heavily on the spellcheck feature of their word-processor.]][[/note]]
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* ConvenientlyPreciseTranslation: A perfect 1:1 translation achieved between disparate languages far more often than should be possible.

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* ConvenientlyPreciseTranslation: A perfect 1:1 translation achieved between disparate languages far more often than should be possible. (But see LuckyTranslation for legitimate, real-life examples.)



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* LanguageOfTruth: If it is impossible to make a false statement in a language, it's impossible to make ''any'' statement in it at all.
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The \"you fail\" was removed from the name, so the usage of \"you fail\" is not witty and a little unnecessary.


'''You Fail Linguistics:'''

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'''You Fail Linguistics:''''''Author's Mistakes (General):'''



'''You Fail [[TranslationTropes Foreign Languages:]]'''

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'''You Fail [[TranslationTropes '''Author's Mistakes ([[TranslationTropes Foreign Languages:]]'''Languages]]):'''



'''Me Fail English?:'''

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'''Me Fail English?:''''''Mistakes with Usage:'''



'''Linguistic Dissonance (AKA The Audience Fails Linguistics):'''

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'''Linguistic Dissonance (AKA The Audience Fails Linguistics):''''''Audience's Misconceptions (Linguistic Dissonance):'''
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* NoPunctuationPeriod [[SelfDemonstratingArticle is when people dispense with punctuation entirely the result is difficult to read earning the ire of language purists to say nothing of most people who can read its especially inexcusable when combined with poor spelling andor grammar which makes it nothing short of incomprehensible]]

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* NoPunctuationPeriod [[SelfDemonstratingArticle is when people dispense with punctuation entirely the result is difficult to read earning the ire of language purists to say nothing of most people who can read its especially inexcusable when combined with poor spelling andor grammar which makes it nothing short of incomprehensible]]
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** ReLex: The language is just English with different words substituted for the English ones.
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There's a whole lot of [[DidNotDoTheResearch science-related fail]] in fiction, with some fields of knowledge bearing the brunt worse than others. In the case of linguistics, the vast majority of people have no idea it exists, never mind the basics. Obviously, this includes writers. Indeed, the prevalence of this trope (and its relative lack of being noticed) can be attributed to this fact - most people recognize that when dealing with questions of physics, biology, chemistry, etc., they need to ask an expert (though many writers [[TheyJustDidntCare just don't care]]) - whereas with linguistics, most people don't even realize that there are experts to be asked, much less that their own knowledge is generally insufficient.

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There's a whole lot of [[DidNotDoTheResearch science-related fail]] fail in fiction, with some fields of knowledge bearing the brunt worse than others. In the case of linguistics, the vast majority of people have no idea it exists, never mind the basics. Obviously, this includes writers. Indeed, the prevalence of this trope (and its relative lack of being noticed) can be attributed to this fact - most people recognize that when dealing with questions of physics, biology, chemistry, etc., they need to ask an expert (though many writers [[TheyJustDidntCare just don't care]]) - whereas with linguistics, most people don't even realize that there are experts to be asked, much less that their own knowledge is generally insufficient.
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* RougeAnglesOfSatin: Wan righters how Kant spiel really two heavenly in the spoil cheque fracture off there ward proctologist.[[hottip:*:When writers who can't spell rely too heavily on the spellcheck feature of their word-processor.]]

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* RougeAnglesOfSatin: [[SelfDemonstratingArticle Wan righters how Kant spiel really two heavenly in the spoil cheque fracture off there ward proctologist.[[hottip:*:When ]][[hottip:*:When writers who can't spell rely too heavily on the spellcheck feature of their word-processor.]]
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* NoPunctuationPeriod is when people dispense with punctuation entirely the result is difficult to read earning the ire of language purists to say nothing of most people who can read its especially inexcusable when combined with poor spelling andor grammar which makes it nothing short of incomprehensible

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* NoPunctuationPeriod [[SelfDemonstratingArticle is when people dispense with punctuation entirely the result is difficult to read earning the ire of language purists to say nothing of most people who can read its especially inexcusable when combined with poor spelling andor grammar which makes it nothing short of incomprehensibleincomprehensible]]
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* LanguageEqualsThought: Follows the controversial Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis, that language dictates (and limits) the ideas people can have and how they experience the world.

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* LanguageEqualsThought: Follows the controversial Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis, that language dictates (and limits) the ideas people can have and how they experience the world. Note that this is not necessarily error, depending on time and opinions of author.
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** TranslationTrainwreck: What happens when a BlindIdiotTranslation is taken [[BeyondTheImpossible to extremes]]. Like an actual trainwreck, however, it can be [[GoodBadTranslation morbidly fascinating]].

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** TranslationTrainwreck: What happens when a BlindIdiotTranslation is taken [[BeyondTheImpossible to extremes]].extremes. Like an actual trainwreck, however, it can be [[GoodBadTranslation morbidly fascinating]].
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* AccentRelapse: Characters who've been demonstrated to speak fluent English prefer to speak with a heavy native accent if they no longer have to keep up the pretence.
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changed \"idiom\" to \"dialect\" in \"you fail linguistics, because the word \"idiom\" makes no sense at all in this context. changed \"largely discredited\" to \"controversial\" in \"language equals thought\" because it\'s not largely discredited, just not as strong of an effect as the original hypothesis said it has. (I\'m a linguistics major, and this is mentioned in practically every single linguistics class ever.)


* EternalEnglish: Ignores the process of linguistic change, with people 1,000 years ago or 1,000 years hence speaking in the same idiom as the creators.
* LanguageEqualsThought: Follows the largely discredited Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis, that language dictates (and limits) the ideas people can have and how they experience the world.

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* EternalEnglish: Ignores the process of linguistic change, with people 1,000 years ago or 1,000 years hence speaking in the same idiom dialect as the creators.
* LanguageEqualsThought: Follows the largely discredited controversial Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis, that language dictates (and limits) the ideas people can have and how they experience the world.
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* WantonCrueltyToTheCommonComma: Frustratingly common mistakes of punctuation (especially, the use of a comma, where a colon or semicolon should go) in amateur--and professional--writing.

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* WantonCrueltyToTheCommonComma: Frustratingly common mistakes of punctuation (especially, (most commonly, the use of a comma, comma where a colon or semicolon should go) in amateur--and professional--writing.both amateur and professional writing.
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* PoirotSpeak: A foreign character will occasionally grasp for the right word, and will revert to his native language when stumped; however, the words in question will always be the ones the audience is likely to understand, rather than the sort of vocabulary a non-native speaker would have difficulty with.

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* PoirotSpeak: A foreign character will occasionally grasp for the right word, and will revert to his native language when stumped; however, stumped. So far, so good, but the words in question will always be the ones the audience ''audience'' is likely to understand, understand in the other language, rather than the sort of vocabulary a non-native speaker would have difficulty with.



* RougeAnglesOfSatin: Wan righters how Kant spiel really two heavenly in the spoil cheque fracture of there ward proctologist.[[hottip:*:When writers who can't spell rely too heavily on the spellcheck feature of their word-processor.]]

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* RougeAnglesOfSatin: Wan righters how Kant spiel really two heavenly in the spoil cheque fracture of off there ward proctologist.[[hottip:*:When writers who can't spell rely too heavily on the spellcheck feature of their word-processor.]]
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* RougeAnglesOfSatin: Wan righters how Kant spiel really two heavenly in the spoil cheque fracture of there ward proctologist.

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* RougeAnglesOfSatin: Wan righters how Kant spiel really two heavenly in the spoil cheque fracture of there ward proctologist.[[hottip:*:When writers who can't spell rely too heavily on the spellcheck feature of their word-processor.]]
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* A foreign character will occasionally grasp for the right word, and will revert to his native language when stumped; however, the words in question will always be the ones the audience is likely to understand, rather than the sort of vocabulary a non-native speaker would have difficulty with.

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* PoirotSpeak: A foreign character will occasionally grasp for the right word, and will revert to his native language when stumped; however, the words in question will always be the ones the audience is likely to understand, rather than the sort of vocabulary a non-native speaker would have difficulty with.



* RougeAnglesOfSatin: Wan righters how Kant spiel really two heavily in the spoil cheque feature of there ward proctologist.

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* RougeAnglesOfSatin: Wan righters how Kant spiel really two heavily heavenly in the spoil cheque feature fracture of there ward proctologist.
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* A foreign character will occasionally grasp for the right word, and will revert to his native language when stumped; however, the words in question will always be the ones the audience is likely to understand, rather than the sort of vocabulary a non-native speaker would have difficulty with.



* RougeAnglesOfSatin: When righters who Kant spell rely two heavily on the spell cheque feature of there word processor.

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[[redirect:YouFailLinguisticsForever]]There's a whole lot of [[DidNotDoTheResearch science-related fail]] in fiction, with some fields of knowledge bearing the brunt worse than others. In the case of linguistics, the vast majority of people have no idea it exists, never mind the basics. Obviously, this includes writers. Indeed, the prevalence of this trope (and its relative lack of being noticed) can be attributed to this fact - most people recognize that when dealing with questions of physics, biology, chemistry, etc., they need to ask an expert (though many writers [[TheyJustDidntCare just don't care]]) - whereas with linguistics, most people don't even realize that there are experts to be asked, much less that their own knowledge is generally insufficient.

Many language/linguistics tropes are attributable to this, and are split up here into errors in academic linguistics, translation errors, and errors in usage.
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'''You Fail Linguistics:'''
Basic mistakes in the way languages work, evolve, and differ from each other.

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* AliensSpeakingEnglish: Ignores the difficulty of near-instantaneous translation between very different languages, to say nothing of [[HumanAliens differing physiology]]. Often [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality acceptable]], since aliens speaking a [[StarfishLanguage completely]] [[IndoEuropeanAlienLanguage different]] language can get very annoying.
* AntiquatedLinguistics: TheThemeParkVersion of Victorian (essentially Present Day) English, spoken by everyone post-Regency up until the end of TheRoaringTwenties. [[hottip:*:This trope is present in most parodies of silent film, but pastiches of the 1930s onward sound much the same as the talkies of the period--normal.]]
* DidNotDoTheBloodyResearch: mismatches the [[GoshDarnItToHeck strength]] of {{Foreign Cuss Word}}s.
* EternalEnglish: Ignores the process of linguistic change, with people 1,000 years ago or 1,000 years hence speaking in the same idiom as the creators.
* LanguageEqualsThought: Follows the largely discredited Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis, that language dictates (and limits) the ideas people can have and how they experience the world.
* {{Omniglot}}: Languages take time to learn; very few people in RealLife speak more than four or five well. These people speak more, flawlessly.
* OrphanedEtymology: Hold your horses? What's a horse?
* YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe: TheThemeParkVersion of Elizabethan (Early Modern) English, applied to any and all times before the Regency.
** HollywoodApocrypha: TheThemeParkVersion of the Early Modern English used in the King James Bible, applied to all fictional religious texts.

'''You Fail [[TranslationTropes Foreign Languages:]]'''
Examples of these tropes ignore the differences between languages and assume they all translate perfectly 1:1. And then they get the translation wrong.

* AsLongAsItSoundsForeign: A foreign character speaks foreign-sounding gibberish, which is passed off (to the audience) as another language.
* BiteTheWaxTadpole: Cultural and linguistic pitfalls playing havoc with ad copy in a foreign market.
* BlindIdiotTranslation: What happens when the translator is not fluent in one (or both) of the languages being translated.
** EitherWorldDominationOrSomethingAboutBananas: An in-universe translation that comes up with two options, one of which is close to the intended meaning and one of which is ridiculously off.
** TranslationTrainwreck: What happens when a BlindIdiotTranslation is taken [[BeyondTheImpossible to extremes]]. Like an actual trainwreck, however, it can be [[GoodBadTranslation morbidly fascinating]].
* CanisLatinicus: Latin-sounding gibberish, or Latin words put together nonsensically (or [[AncientGrome mixed with Greek]]), because [[AltumVidetur everything sounds more dignified in Latin]].
* ConvenientlyPreciseTranslation: A perfect 1:1 translation achieved between disparate languages far more often than should be possible.
* GratuitousForeignLanguage: Using a foreign language to add a certain ''je ne sais quoi''... which is not a good idea if you can't actually speak it.
* IndoEuropeanAlienLanguage: When aliens [[AliensSpeakingEnglish don't speak English]], their language still conveniently adheres to the same grammatical conventions as most European languages--unlike many languages found on ''this'' planet.
** ReLex: The language is just English with different words substituted for the English ones.
* RecursiveTranslation: A second- or thirdhand (or more) translation that loses more and more nuance with each successive step.
* JustAStupidAccent: A foreign character never speaks his own language, but speaks the local language like a native, only with an intractable accent.

'''Me Fail English?:'''
Many people assume "linguistics" to be all about correcting spelling, pronunciation and grammar "errors". In fact there is no such thing as objectively correct usage[[hottip:*:True, as far as it goes, but there is a recognized difference between '''descriptive''' and '''prescriptive''' linguistics with widely differing aims.]], as languages evolve over time - linguists concern themselves with studying actual usage, warts and all. The following tropes are not strictly linguistics failures, simply poor usage:

* TheBigListOfBooboosAndBlunders: Words that get misspelled by being confused with other words, or the writer never having seen them written down before.
* HowDoIUsedTense
* NoPunctuationPeriod is when people dispense with punctuation entirely the result is difficult to read earning the ire of language purists to say nothing of most people who can read its especially inexcusable when combined with poor spelling andor grammar which makes it nothing short of incomprehensible
* RougeAnglesOfSatin: When righters who Kant spell rely two heavily on the spell cheque feature of there word processor.
* WantonCrueltyToTheCommonComma: Frustratingly common mistakes of punctuation (especially, the use of a comma, where a colon or semicolon should go) in amateur--and professional--writing.
* YouKeepUsingThatWord: Words have clearly-defined meanings. This is what happens when they get misused.

'''Linguistic Dissonance (AKA The Audience Fails Linguistics):'''
While not made up of mistakes in itself, these tropes can cause difficulty with audiences who are unaware of the difference within languages over time and from place to place:

* GetTheeToANunnery: Wordplay and humo(u)r that's lost on modern audiences, who don't get the references.
* HaveAGayOldTime: Unintentional hilarity derived from originally harmless words becoming amusing or taking on [[InnocentInnuendo sexual connotations]] over time.
* SeparatedByACommonLanguage: Misunderstandings and (more) unintentional hilarity encountered across different dialects of the same language.
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