History Fanfic / TheConversionBureauNotAlone

15th Dec '17 7:27:18 AM KizunaTallis
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* KarmaHoudini: Ultimately subverted in the last chapter. At first it seems like Celestia would get away with destroying several human cities, leaving thousands of people homeless, starting the war that cost the lives of several humans and ponies, and essentially trying to exterminate the human race. When she realizes she's going to lose the war, she [[spoiler:takes Equestria and retreats]]. At the end however, it's revealed that [[spoiler:the combination of losing the war, missing their friends and family members they had to leave behind on earth, and the odd behaviors of the newfoals is causing the ponies to begin questioning her actions and start to lose faith in her, and the gryphon and zebra nations deem her a threat]]. Granted, she'll probably avoid Karma for a while, but not forever.

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* KarmaHoudini: Ultimately subverted in the last chapter. At first first, it seems like Celestia would will get away with destroying several human cities, leaving thousands of people homeless, starting the war that cost the lives of several humans and ponies, and essentially trying to exterminate the human race. When she realizes she's going to lose the war, she [[spoiler:takes Equestria and retreats]]. At the end end, however, it's revealed that [[spoiler:the combination of losing the war, missing their friends and family members they had to leave behind on earth, and the odd behaviors of the newfoals is causing the ponies to begin questioning her actions and start to lose some are even losing faith in her, and her. Moreover, the gryphon and zebra nations deem her a threat]].threat to their own safety and make it clear they will not be taking this lightly]]. Granted, she'll probably avoid Karma for a while, but not forever.
18th Aug '17 9:51:03 AM KizunaTallis
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* KarmaHoudini: Ultimately subverted in the last chapter. At first it seems like Celestia would get away with destroying several human cities, leaving thousands of people homeless, starting the war that cost the lives of several humans and ponies, and essentially trying to exterminate the human race. When she realizes she's going to lose the war, she [[spoiler:takes Equestria and retreats]]. At the end, it's revealed that the combination of losing the war, missing their friends and family members they had to leave behind on earth, and the odd behaviors of the newfoals is causing the ponies to begin questioning her actions and start to lose faith in her, and the gryphon and zebra nations deem her a threat]]. Granted, she'll probably avoid Karma for a while, but not forever.

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* KarmaHoudini: Ultimately subverted in the last chapter. At first it seems like Celestia would get away with destroying several human cities, leaving thousands of people homeless, starting the war that cost the lives of several humans and ponies, and essentially trying to exterminate the human race. When she realizes she's going to lose the war, she [[spoiler:takes Equestria and retreats]]. At the end, end however, it's revealed that the [[spoiler:the combination of losing the war, missing their friends and family members they had to leave behind on earth, and the odd behaviors of the newfoals is causing the ponies to begin questioning her actions and start to lose faith in her, and the gryphon and zebra nations deem her a threat]]. Granted, she'll probably avoid Karma for a while, but not forever.



* WeHaveReserves: One of the main reasons, coupled with HumansAreWarriors and ZergRush, and the already steep cost in the lives of the Royal Guards, why Celestia [[spoiler:chooses to retreat at the end]]: Even if they had ten times the number of Guards they had, the humans still have a pool of about seven billion potential recruits, and could drown them in numbers alone.

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* WeHaveReserves: One of the main reasons, coupled with HumansAreWarriors and ZergRush, and the already steep cost in the lives of the Royal Guards, why Celestia [[spoiler:chooses to retreat at the end]]: Even if they had even though humanity loses ten times the number of Guards they had, soldiers for every one pony killed, the humans still have a pool of about seven billion potential recruits, and could drown them in numbers alone.
18th Aug '17 1:14:25 AM infernape612
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->''"I believe in my whole race...in the honesty, courage, intelligence, durability... and goodness of the overwhelming majority of my brothers and sisters everywhere on this planet. I am proud to be a human being. I believe that we have come this far by the skin of our teeth, that we always make it just by the skin of our teeth but that we will always make it survive endure. I believe that this hairless embryo with the aching, oversize brain case and the opposable thumb, this animal barely up from the apes, will endure."''\\
--'''Creator/RobertAHeinlein'''

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->''"I believe in my whole race...in the honesty, courage, intelligence, durability... and goodness of the overwhelming majority of my brothers and sisters everywhere on this planet. I am proud to be a human being. I believe that we have come this far by the skin of our teeth, that we always make it just by the skin of our teeth but that we will always make it survive endure. I believe that this hairless embryo with the aching, oversize brain case and the opposable thumb, this animal barely up from the apes, will endure."''\\
--'''Creator/RobertAHeinlein'''
"''
-->--'''Creator/RobertAHeinlein'''
14th Jun '17 10:05:46 PM nombretomado
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** The slogan of the Equestrians For Humans is [[Series/{{V}} "Friendship is universal."]]

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** The slogan of the Equestrians For Humans is [[Series/{{V}} [[Series/{{V1983}} "Friendship is universal."]]
21st Mar '17 8:33:43 AM KizunaTallis
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* DidntSeeThatComing: First, Celestia thought that the humans would happily flock at the chance to leave their former lives behind and go pony without fuss or muss. And when they declared war, she initially believed the war would be easy since humanity had a long history of conflict, divisions over past grudges and petty grievances against one another; she and Luna were taken by surprise and were not at all prepared for the humans to unanimously put aside all their differences and unite against them. She's also taken aback by the fact that not every pony was on board with the bureaus.
16th Mar '17 6:58:00 PM KizunaTallis
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* DoomedMoralVictor: "The Longest Day" sets up [[spoiler:Lyra and the EFH]] for a lesser version of this: they aren't killed, but [[spoiler:Cheerilee loses her job and they're all effectively exiled from Ponyville]]. In other words, standing up for what they thought was right means they lost just about everything else they held dear.
* DownerEnding: For Equestria. They [[spoiler:are able to make it back safely to their home dimension in one piece, but their military is utterly decimated, and in their hasty retreat, the princesses were forced to leave more than 3000 ponies behind to an uncertain future on Earth. Moreover, the population is revealed to be losing their faith in the princesses, and the gryphon and zebra nations are ''not'' happy to hear about what Celestia tried to do to the humans. The story ultimately closes with the Gryphon Queen writing a letter to Celestia that heavily hints they may even wage war against Equestria (which is exactly what happens in ''Conquer the Stars'').]]

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* DividedWeFall: Subverted. When Celestia's true intentions for them became clear, humanity unanimously put its differences aside to unite against an enemy that was an even bigger threat than themselves.
* DoomedMoralVictor: "The Longest Day" sets up [[spoiler:Lyra and the EFH]] for a lesser version of this: they aren't killed, but [[spoiler:Cheerilee loses her job job, Mayor Mare's impeached, and they're all effectively exiled from Ponyville]]. In other words, standing up for what they thought was right means meant they lost just about everything else they held dear.
* DownerEnding: For Equestria. They [[spoiler:are able to make it back safely to their home dimension in one piece, but their military is utterly decimated, and in their hasty retreat, the princesses were forced to leave more than 3000 ponies behind to an uncertain future on Earth. Moreover, the population is revealed to be losing their faith in the princesses, and the gryphon and zebra nations are ''not'' happy to hear about what Celestia tried to do to the humans. The story ultimately closes with the Gryphon Queen writing a letter to Celestia that declaring her OmniscientMoralityLicense revoked and it heavily hints they may even wage war against Equestria (which is exactly what happens in ''Conquer the Stars'').]]



* ExtremeDoormat: The Newfoals. While they can feel annoyed, sad, or frightened, they are almost completely incapable of feeling anger and don't ever assert or stand up for themselves.

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* ExtremeDoormat: The Newfoals. While they can feel annoyed, sad, or frightened, they are almost completely incapable of feeling anger and don't ever assert or stand up for themselves.themselves, or complain about anything really.



* HumblePie: Rainbow Dash initially wanted to go out and fight with the Royal Guard, thinking it would be easy to buck every soldier she found. Then, after she sees them after they come back from South Africa horribly injured and mutilated, she gets to eat a fat slice of this.

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* HumblePie: Rainbow Dash initially wanted to go out and fight with the Royal Guard, thinking it would be easy to buck every soldier she found. Then, after she sees them after they come back from South Africa horribly injured and mutilated, and she gets to eat a fat slice of this.



* PersonaNonGrata: [[spoiler:Lyra, Cheerilee, Mayor Mare, Zecora, and any other ponies affiliated with the EFH]] are run out of Ponyville.

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* PersonaNonGrata: [[spoiler:Lyra, Cheerilee, Mayor Mare, Zecora, and any other ponies affiliated with the EFH]] are permanently run out of Ponyville.



* RousingSpeech: What U.S. diplomat Ellen Rowe gives after the United Nations General Assembly [[spoiler: declares war on Equestria]]. Several readers also gave their own speeches in the comments section. The author of ''FanFic/FriendsOfASolarEmpire'' and ''Fanfic/AHero'' gave one mixed with a WorldOfCardboardSpeech.

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* RousingSpeech: What U.S. diplomat Ellen Rowe gives after the United Nations General Assembly [[spoiler: declares [[spoiler:declares war on Equestria]]. Several readers also gave their own speeches in the comments section. The author of ''FanFic/FriendsOfASolarEmpire'' and ''Fanfic/AHero'' gave one mixed with a WorldOfCardboardSpeech.
10th Mar '17 10:41:05 AM KizunaTallis
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Similar to mainline TCB, the Equestrian landmass appears suddenly in the South Atlantic. While humanity extended welcome to the ponies, there were those who had doubts. These doubts proved founded once the ponies' imperialism came to light, leading humanity to gear up for war. At the same time, there are also those ponies who disagree with the Princesses' actions.

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Similar to mainline TCB, the Equestrian landmass appears suddenly in the South Atlantic. While humanity extended a (cautious) welcome to the ponies, there were those who had doubts. These doubts proved founded once the ponies' imperialism came to light, leading humanity to gear up for war. At the same time, there are also those ponies who disagree with the Princesses' actions.



* {{Anticlimax}}: ''Celestia's Answer'' ends with Equestria [[spoiler:vanishing in a bright flash of light, retreating away back to their home dimension]].

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* {{Anticlimax}}: ''Celestia's Answer'' "Celestia's Answer" ends with Equestria [[spoiler:vanishing in a bright flash of light, retreating away back to their home dimension]].



*** Plus, it's revealed at the end that Celestia personally transported Equestria to Earth to purposefully assimilate them (instead of doing a simple diplomatic mission as she was entrusted by the rest of Equus.
* CreepySouvenir: In ''The Battle Of South Africa'', [[spoiler:the soldier Pieter]] hacks off a dead unicorn's horn as a trophy. This is ''not'' to be seen as a good thing.

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*** Plus, it's revealed at the end that Celestia personally transported Equestria to Earth to purposefully assimilate them (instead of doing a simple diplomatic mission as she was entrusted by the rest of Equus.
Equus).
* CreepySouvenir: In ''The "The Battle Of South Africa'', [[spoiler:the Africa", one soldier Pieter]] named Pieter hacks off a dead unicorn's horn as a trophy. This is ''not'' to be seen as a good thing.



* DoomedMoralVictor: ''The Longest Day'' sets up [[spoiler:Lyra and the EFH]] for a lesser version of this: they haven't died, but [[spoiler:Cheerilee loses her job and they're all effectively exiled from Ponyville]]. In other words, standing up for what they thought was right means they lost just about everything else they held dear.

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* DoomedMoralVictor: ''The "The Longest Day'' Day" sets up [[spoiler:Lyra and the EFH]] for a lesser version of this: they haven't died, aren't killed, but [[spoiler:Cheerilee loses her job and they're all effectively exiled from Ponyville]]. In other words, standing up for what they thought was right means they lost just about everything else they held dear.



* EtTuBrute: [[spoiler: Bon-Bon in ''The Longest Day.'']]

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* EtTuBrute: [[spoiler: Bon-Bon in ''The "The Longest Day.'']]Day".]]



* HeelRealization: In ''The Man From Cape Town'', it's hinted that Twilight is beginning to have second thoughts.

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* HeelRealization: In ''The "The Man From Cape Town'', Town", it's hinted that Twilight is beginning to have second thoughts.



* {{Homage}}: The author has said that ''The Battle of South Africa'' was inspired by the Klendathu Drop from ''Film/StarshipTroopers'' (the film, not the book), and to a lesser degree the battle scenes in ''Passchendaele''.

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* {{Homage}}: The author has said that ''The "The Battle of South Africa'' Africa" was inspired by the Klendathu Drop from ''Film/StarshipTroopers'' (the film, not the book), and to a lesser degree the battle scenes in ''Passchendaele''.



** Like a lot of other things, this is deconstructed - there are sympathetic humans (Andrew, Antonio, Russell, the Humans For Sapient Rights organization) and not-so-sympathetic one (Pietr, some of the bloggers, the HLF) in the story, and there are ponies that do legitimately want to help the humans.
* HumansAreWarriors: Very much so. The Canterlot guard is utterly annihilated by human weapons, and [[spoiler:the gryphons identify themselves with humanity on this basis, and it's because of this that their queen declares Celestia a threat.]]

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** Like a lot of other things, this is deconstructed - there are sympathetic humans (Andrew, Antonio, Russell, the Humans For Sapient Rights organization) and not-so-sympathetic one (Pietr, some of the bloggers, the HLF) in the story, and there are it's shown that some of the ponies that do legitimately want to help and the other races of Equus don't buy into this depiction of humans.
* HumansAreWarriors: Very much so. The Canterlot guard is utterly annihilated by human weapons, and [[spoiler:the gryphons identify themselves with humanity on this basis, and it's because of this that their queen declares Celestia a threat.threat to their own survival.]]



* IncompatibleOrientation: Andrew and Ice Breaker; Andrew is gay (and not closed off to the possibility of InterspeciesRomance), Ice Breaker is straight and only attracted to mares, thus they remain JustFriends.

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* IncompatibleOrientation: Andrew and Ice Breaker; Andrew is gay (and and not closed off to the possibility of InterspeciesRomance), InterspeciesRomance, while Ice Breaker is straight and only attracted to mares, thus mares. Thus, they remain JustFriends.



* {{Jerkass}}: Some of the bloggers.
** And of course, the ponies ''against'' the humans.
* KarmaHoudini: Ultimately subverted in the last chapter. At first it seems like Celestia would get away with destroying several human cities, leaving thousands of people homeless, starting the war that cost the lives of several humans and ponies, and essentially trying to exterminate the human race. When she realizes she's going to lose the war, she [[spoiler:takes Equestria and retreats]]. At the end, it's revealed that the combination of losing the war, missing their friends and family members they had to leave behind on earth, and the odd behaviors of the newfoals is causing the ponies to begin questioning her actions and start to lose faith in her, and the gryphon and zebra kingdoms identify her as a threat]]. Granted, she'll probably avoid Karma for a while, but not forever.

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* {{Jerkass}}: Some of the bloggers.
**
bloggers. And of course, the ponies ''against'' the humans.
* KarmaHoudini: Ultimately subverted in the last chapter. At first it seems like Celestia would get away with destroying several human cities, leaving thousands of people homeless, starting the war that cost the lives of several humans and ponies, and essentially trying to exterminate the human race. When she realizes she's going to lose the war, she [[spoiler:takes Equestria and retreats]]. At the end, it's revealed that the combination of losing the war, missing their friends and family members they had to leave behind on earth, and the odd behaviors of the newfoals is causing the ponies to begin questioning her actions and start to lose faith in her, and the gryphon and zebra kingdoms identify nations deem her as a threat]]. Granted, she'll probably avoid Karma for a while, but not forever.



* NextSundayAD: Takes place in 2017/2018, with no significant differences from the present.

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* NextSundayAD: Takes Written in 2011, and takes place in 2017/2018, with no significant differences from the present.2017/2018.



** ''Aftermath, Part I'' delves into why: in essence, [[spoiler:Eddy's original personality was completely ''destroyed'' and overwritten by a new one provided by the potion. However, he retained his memories, basically fooling him into thinking he's the same person who drank it]].

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** ''Aftermath, "Aftermath, Part I'' I" delves into why: in essence, [[spoiler:Eddy's original personality was completely ''destroyed'' and overwritten by a new one provided by the potion. However, he retained his memories, basically fooling him into thinking he's the same person who drank it]].



* OmniscientMoralityLicense: Celestia, naturally. [[spoiler:Revoked as of the epilogue.]]
* OneManArmy: Shining Armor actually takes down fifteen tanks by himself.

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* OmniscientMoralityLicense: Celestia, naturally. [[spoiler:Revoked as of [[spoiler:It's revoked in the epilogue.]]
* OneManArmy: Shining Armor actually takes took down fifteen tanks by himself.himself before being taken out.



** {{Jerkass God}}desses: Celestia has said that she stands by [[AssInAmbassador Twilight Sparkle's]] words. It's later revealed that Luna completely agrees with Celestia.
* PoesLaw: This fic is intended to satirize and deconstruct TCB, but some readers have mistaken it for merely being another of that sub-genre.
* PyrrhicVictory: Chapter 18, ''The Battle Of South Africa'' is this [[spoiler: for the humans]]. An artillery detachment and their escort get stuck in the mud and are ambushed by a small number of Royal Guards. An armoured scout rolls in and changes the tide in favour of the humans, but the unicorns possess some of the guns and turn them against their wielders. [[spoiler:By the time more human backup can arrive, the only combatants still standing are two human artillerymen]].
** Later, also the [[spoiler: entire Battle of South Africa and the Battle for the South Atlantic end up as these. With all their newly gained territory reconquered by humanity, Equestria ends up under siege, but at an all in all surprisingly steep price]].
** The whole aftermath of the war for[[spoiler: humanity]] in general - [[spoiler: Equestria has retreated and won't be bothering anyone else, but the troubles are far from over, as South Africa is turning into a facist state and several countries start spending enormous amounts of money (at the cost of healthcare, education and environmental protection) beefing up their military forces and preparing for a war that will never come.]]
* RealityEnsues: This fic takes the essential premise and elements of ''The Conversion Bureau'' and then shows how they would play out realistically. For one thing, the humans aren't exactly happy with the ponies' offensively misanthropic attitudes.

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** {{Jerkass God}}desses: Celestia has said that she stands by [[AssInAmbassador Twilight Sparkle's]] words. It's later revealed shown that Luna completely agrees with Celestia.
* PersonaNonGrata: [[spoiler:Lyra, Cheerilee, Mayor Mare, Zecora, and any other ponies affiliated with the EFH]] are run out of Ponyville.
* PoesLaw: This fic is intended to satirize and deconstruct TCB, but some readers have mistaken it for merely being another straight fic of that sub-genre.
* PyrrhicVictory: Chapter 18, ''The "The Battle Of South Africa'' Africa" is this [[spoiler: for [[spoiler:for the humans]]. An artillery detachment and their escort get stuck in the mud and are ambushed by a small number of Royal Guards. An armoured armored scout rolls in and changes the tide in favour favor of the humans, but the unicorns possess some of the guns and turn them against their wielders. [[spoiler:By the time more human backup can arrive, the only combatants still standing are two human artillerymen]].
** Later, also the [[spoiler: entire Battle of South Africa and the Battle for the South Atlantic end up as these. With all their newly gained territory reconquered reclaimed by humanity, Equestria ends up under siege, but at at, an all in all all, surprisingly steep price]].
** The whole aftermath of the war for[[spoiler: humanity]] in general - [[spoiler: Equestria has retreated and won't be bothering anyone else, but the troubles are far from over, as South Africa is turning into a facist fascist state and several countries start spending enormous amounts of money (at the cost of healthcare, education and environmental protection) beefing up their military forces and preparing for a war that will never come.]]
* RealityEnsues: This fic takes the essential premise and elements of ''The Conversion Bureau'' and then shows how they would play out realistically. For one thing, the humans aren't exactly happy with the ponies' offensively misanthropic attitudes.attitudes and not every pony is on board with the Princesses' actions (and for that matter, the other nations of Equus aren't happy about it either).



* ScaryDogmaticAliens: TheFundamentalist type. Celestia looks at human culture, instantly deems it barbaric, and creates the ponification potion to offer them the chance to [[YouWillBeAssimilated "uplift"]] themselves into a "better state of being". When the majority of humanity makes it clear they don't want to change, Celestia decides to force them to accept it by expanding the barrier.

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* ScaryDogmaticAliens: The ponies are TheFundamentalist type. Celestia looks at human culture, instantly deems it barbaric, and creates the ponification potion to offer them the chance to [[YouWillBeAssimilated "uplift"]] themselves into a "better state of being". When the majority of humanity makes it clear they don't want to change, Celestia decides to force them to accept it by expanding the barrier.



* StepfordSmiler: The newfoals. ''Aftermath, Part II'' reveals [[spoiler:even natural-born ponies find them creepy and unsettling]].

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* StepfordSmiler: The newfoals. ''Aftermath, "Aftermath, Part II'' II" reveals [[spoiler:even natural-born ponies find them creepy and unsettling]].



* TearfulSmile: Seen in ''Aftermath, Part I'' when [[spoiler:Andrew apologizes to Thunderhead]].
* ThisMeansWar: Humanity's response to Twilight Sparkle's words.

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* TearfulSmile: Seen in ''Aftermath, "Aftermath, Part I'' I" when [[spoiler:Andrew apologizes to Thunderhead]].
* ThisMeansWar: Humanity's response to Twilight Sparkle's words.words and the destruction of Cape Town by the barrier.



* UncannyValley: InUniverse, it's revealed that [[spoiler:the natural-born ponies find the newfoals unsettling and strange]].
* UnwittingPawn: Twilight, Shining, everypony that helped Celestia. Lampshaded when Shining tells Twilight that the war was inevitable; even though he doesn't know that it was Celestia who purposefully sent Equestria to Earth specifically to destroy the human race.

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* UncannyValley: InUniverse, it's revealed that [[spoiler:the newfoals give this off to the natural-born ponies ponies, who find the newfoals their StepfordSmiler personalities and ExtremeDoormat behaviors unsettling and strange]].
creepy]].
* UnwittingPawn: Twilight, Shining, everypony every pony that helped Celestia. Lampshaded when Shining tells Twilight that the war was inevitable; inevitable, even though he doesn't know that it was Celestia who purposefully sent Equestria to Earth specifically to destroy assimilate the human race.



* WarIsHell: Touched on in ''The Man From Cape Town'', which features a non-soldier helping the soldiers for [[WordOfGod exactly this reason]]: he's from a city destroyed by the Barrier, and hates the ponies with all the passion you'd expect from something like that... but he's still very uncomfortable using weapons and at the end of the chapter, muses on how much more he likes firing at a nonliving barrier than he does the idea of firing at something that can not only shoot back but has a life of its own.
** Expanded in the next chapter, which is basically a skirmish in complete darkness and WorldWarOne-like rain, in which many of the South African artillerymen get stuck in the mud and are then [[BeatThemAtTheirOwnGame cut down by their own weapons by a small number of ambushing unicorns hiding in the dark]]. It involves a lot of frantic running, shooting into the darkness and hiding in thick mud. As well as [[spoiler:corpse looting and mutilation.]]
*** Said word for word by Antonio in ''The Longest Day''.

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* WarIsHell: Touched on in ''The "The Man From Cape Town'', Town", which features a non-soldier helping the soldiers for [[WordOfGod exactly this reason]]: he's from a city destroyed by the Barrier, and hates the ponies with all the passion you'd expect from something like that... but he's still very uncomfortable using weapons and at the end of the chapter, muses on how much more he likes firing at a nonliving barrier than he does the idea of firing at something that can not only shoot back but has a life of its own.
** Expanded in the next chapter, which is basically a skirmish in complete darkness and WorldWarOne-like UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne-like rain, in which many of the South African artillerymen get stuck in the mud and are then [[BeatThemAtTheirOwnGame cut down by their own weapons by a small number of ambushing unicorns hiding in the dark]]. It involves a lot of frantic running, shooting into the darkness and hiding in thick mud. As well as [[spoiler:corpse looting and mutilation.]]
*** Said word for word by Antonio in ''The "The Longest Day''.Day".



* WeHaveReserves: One of the main reasons, coupled with HumansAreWarriors and ZergRush, and the already steep cost in the lives of the Royal Guards, why Celestia fled: Even if they had ten times the number of Guards they had, the humans still have a pool of about seven billion potential recruits, and could drown them in numbers alone.
* WhatTheHellHero: At the very end, [[spoiler: the Queen of Gryphus pulls one of these on Celestia, and informs her that her OmniscientMoralityLicense has been revoked.]]
* YouCantGoHomeAgain: As of ''The Longest Day'', [[spoiler:everypony who was part of the EFH has been effectively banished from Ponyville]]. To say nothing of [[spoiler:all the ponies who were left behind when Celestia pulled Equestria out of Earth]].

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* WeHaveReserves: One of the main reasons, coupled with HumansAreWarriors and ZergRush, and the already steep cost in the lives of the Royal Guards, why Celestia fled: [[spoiler:chooses to retreat at the end]]: Even if they had ten times the number of Guards they had, the humans still have a pool of about seven billion potential recruits, and could drown them in numbers alone.
* WhatTheHellHero: At the very end, [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Queen of Gryphus pulls one of these on Celestia, and informs her that her OmniscientMoralityLicense has been revoked.]]
* YouCantGoHomeAgain: As of ''The "The Longest Day'', Day", [[spoiler:everypony who was part of the EFH has been effectively banished from Ponyville]]. To say nothing of [[spoiler:all the ponies who were left behind when Celestia pulled Equestria out of Earth]].



** Celestia also notes that most of the troops fighting in South Africa are ''not'' humanity's finest soldiers, being poorly trained rookies that were fighting out of their element, and with inferior equipment. If it had been a better trained and equipped fighting force, the price for the ponies might have been far steeper than it already was.

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** Celestia also notes that most of the troops fighting in South Africa are ''not'' far from humanity's finest soldiers, being poorly trained rookies that were fighting out of their element, and with inferior equipment. If it had been a better trained and equipped fighting force, the price for the ponies might have been far steeper than it already was.
27th Dec '16 10:08:24 PM KizunaTallis
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* HeelRealization: In ''The Man From Cape Town'', it's hinted that Twilight is beginning to have second doubts.

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* HeelRealization: In ''The Man From Cape Town'', it's hinted that Twilight is beginning to have second doubts.thoughts.



** Seemingly averted when Twilight starts to express doubts in private, where, without the influence of her peers, she finally starts to understand some part of ''why'' humanity wasn't so receptive ponification. Sadly, come [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars the sequel]], she's ''still'' in denial.

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** Seemingly averted when Twilight starts to express doubts in private, where, without the influence of her peers, she finally starts to understand some part of ''why'' humanity wasn't so receptive to ponification. Sadly, come [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars the sequel]], she's ''still'' in denial.



* RousingSpeech: What U.S. diplomat Ellen Rowe gives after the United Nations General Assembly [[spoiler: declares war on Equestria]].
** Several readers also gave their own speeches in the comments section. The author of ''FanFic/FriendsOfASolarEmpire'' and ''Fanfic/AHero'' gave one mixed with a WorldOfCardboardSpeech.

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* RousingSpeech: What U.S. diplomat Ellen Rowe gives after the United Nations General Assembly [[spoiler: declares war on Equestria]].
**
Equestria]]. Several readers also gave their own speeches in the comments section. The author of ''FanFic/FriendsOfASolarEmpire'' and ''Fanfic/AHero'' gave one mixed with a WorldOfCardboardSpeech.
22nd Dec '16 10:03:46 PM KizunaTallis
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* {{Anticlimax}}: ''Celestia's Answer'' ends with [[spoiler: Equestria just... vanishing]].
* AliensAreBastards: Averted. While ponies like Twilight Sparkle ''definitely'' qualify, there's also ones like [[MeaningfulName Ice Breaker]], Evening Star and Lyra, who do not agree with what Celestia is doing.
* AnArmAndALeg: [[spoiler:Shining Armor]] lost both hind legs during the battle of South Africa.

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* {{Anticlimax}}: ''Celestia's Answer'' ends with [[spoiler: Equestria just... vanishing]].
[[spoiler:vanishing in a bright flash of light, retreating away back to their home dimension]].
* AliensAreBastards: Averted.Zigzagged. While ponies like Twilight Sparkle ''definitely'' qualify, there's also ones like [[MeaningfulName Ice Breaker]], Evening Star and Lyra, who do not agree with what Celestia is doing.
* AnArmAndALeg: Several of the Royal Guards lose at least one limb due to the heavy wounds they sustained from battling humanity. [[spoiler:Shining Armor]] lost both of his hind legs during the battle of South Africa.



* BittersweetEnding: For Earth. The good news is that [[spoiler:Equestria retreats back to its home dimension and won't be bothering anyone else anytime soon, humanity survives, there is hope for peaceful coexistence with the ponies left on Earth, and it appears Celestia will get her comeuppance.]] The bad news is that [[spoiler: the PER and HLF are still out there and still a threat, many ponies are still being held in internment camps, South Africa is turning into a fascist hellhole, and many countries have begun spending massive amounts of money (at the expense of education and healthcare) on the military and building weapons in preparation for a war that will never come.]]
* BlatantLies: Celestia, in an interview, states that she wants friendship between species. She also states that she's not forcing humanity to accept ponification. If you're familiar with the Conversion Bureau in general, you'd see that neither of these statements are true.
** Confirmed by Luna herself when she says it wasn't Celestia's fault that they rejected her 'perfect solution' for the problems of humanity despite everything she did to make sure they didn't.
*** Plus it's revealed at the end that Celestia personally transported Equestria to Earth to purposefully assimilate them.
* CreepySouvenir: In ''The Battle Of South Africa'', [[spoiler:the soldier Pieter]] hacks off a dead unicorn's horn as a trophy. This is NOT to be seen as a good thing.

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* BittersweetEnding: For Earth. The good news is that [[spoiler:Equestria retreats back to its home dimension and won't be bothering anyone else anytime soon, humanity survives, there is hope for peaceful coexistence with the ponies left on Earth, and it appears is made clear Celestia will get answer for her comeuppance.]] arrogant actions eventually]]. The bad news is that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the PER and HLF are still out there and still a threat, problem, many ponies are still being held in the internment camps, South Africa is turning into a fascist hellhole, and many several countries have begun started spending massive amounts of money (at the expense of education education, healthcare and healthcare) other programs) on the their military forces and building weapons in preparation for a war that will never come.]]
* BlatantLies: Celestia, in an interview, states that she wants friendship between species. She also states that ponykind and humanity and she's not forcing humanity to accept ponification. If you're familiar with the usual conventions of ''The Conversion Bureau in general, Bureau'', you'd see that neither of these statements are true.
** Confirmed by Luna herself when she says it wasn't Celestia's fault that they the humans rejected her 'perfect solution' gift' for the resolving their problems of humanity despite everything she did to make sure they didn't.
*** Plus Plus, it's revealed at the end that Celestia personally transported Equestria to Earth to purposefully assimilate them.
them (instead of doing a simple diplomatic mission as she was entrusted by the rest of Equus.
* CreepySouvenir: In ''The Battle Of South Africa'', [[spoiler:the soldier Pieter]] hacks off a dead unicorn's horn as a trophy. This is NOT ''not'' to be seen as a good thing.



* DeconstructionFic: Of ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''.
** Humanity reacts appropriately to the ponies' misanthropy, the effects of the expanding Equestrian bubble are further examined, and we have human-sympathizing ponies.

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* DeconstructionFic: Of ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''.This fic takes the main ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau'' and shows just how it would realistically play out.
** Humanity First off, humanity reacts appropriately to the ponies' misanthropy, misanthropy (as in, they are not flattered by their blatant assimilation plot and declare war as a result), the effects of the expanding Equestrian bubble barrier are further examined, and we have human-sympathizing ponies.it's shown that some ponies (and non-ponies) sympathize with the humans.



** Pony superiority over humans in battle was also deconstructed, as Rainbow Dash finds out the hard way. She initially wanted to go out to the front lines, "bucking all the humans before they could hit her," but this ambition dies ''very'' quickly once she sees the evacuating Royal Guards, many of whom are wounded badly or are in need of medical attention.

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** Pony superiority over humans in battle was also deconstructed, shot down, as Rainbow Dash finds out the hard way. She initially wanted to go out to the front lines, "bucking all the humans before they could hit her," but this ambition dies ''very'' quickly once she sees the evacuating Royal Guards, many of whom are wounded badly or are in need of medical attention.permanently disfigured.



* {{Expy}}: Several elements of the story are borrowed from WorldWarTwo: a nation rapidly gaining power under the control of a self-righteous, bigoted dictator begins expanding into the surrounding world, and eventually crosses the line, bringing a large part of the rest of the world down on it with full military might, and resulting in the internment of suspected spies within the "allies" solely by ethnicity.

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* {{Expy}}: Several elements of the story are borrowed from WorldWarTwo: UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo: a nation rapidly gaining power under the control of a self-righteous, bigoted dictator begins expanding expands into the surrounding world, and eventually crosses the line, bringing a large part of the rest of the world down on it with world's full military might, might down on it, and resulting in the internment of suspected spies within the "allies" solely by ethnicity.



* ExtremelyShortTimeSpan: According to Celestia, the Battles of South Africa and the South Atlantic - the events of up to four whole chapters - took place in only two, extremely intense and brutal days.

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* ExtremelyShortTimeSpan: According to Celestia, the Battles of South Africa and the South Atlantic - the events of up to (which was covered in four whole chapters - chapters) took place in only two, two extremely intense and brutal days.



*** When one pony suggests resorting to violence against humans who want to turn them over to the SAS, he's immediately berated by his colleague for "acting human." This is made even more egregious when compared to Newfoal Thunderhead, who says he cannot think mean things because of the potions, but natural-born ponies clearly can.

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*** When one pony suggests resorting to violence against humans who want to turn them over to the SAS, he's immediately berated by his colleague for "acting human." This [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] is made even more egregious when compared to Newfoal Thunderhead, who says he cannot think mean things because of the potions, but natural-born ponies clearly can.



** It's pretty heavily hinted that Fluttershy thinks ''they'' were the ones who approached the humans wrong, not that humanity was inherently vile.
*** After Twilight thinks about the effects of the potion, and what they would do to Shining Armor if it could heal him, she finally realizes the ''real'' reason humanity went to war.
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Unicorns turning human weapons against their wielders.

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** It's pretty heavily hinted that Fluttershy thinks ''they'' were does bring up the ones who possibility that the ponies might have approached the humans wrong, not the wrong way, heavily implying she herself is also doubting Celestia. In fact, [[spoiler:in ''Conquer the Stars'', she ends up cutting all ties with the others and goes into exile, citing her feeling that humanity Equestria was inherently vile.
in the wrong for trying to turn the humans]].
*** After Towards the end, Twilight thinks about momentarily considers using the effects of potion on [[spoiler:Shining Armor]], but immediately shoots it down, feeling uncomfortable with the potion, and what they would do to Shining Armor if it could heal him, she finally thought of him becoming a different pony. She then suddenly realizes that this was how the ''real'' reason humanity went humans likely felt, coming to war.
an understanding. Unfortunately, come ''Conquer the Stars'', it's become an IgnoredEpiphany.
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Unicorns turning human weapons against their wielders.can magically steal guns from humans and shoot back.



** Like a lot of other things, this is deconstructed - there are sympathetic (Andrew, Antonio, Russell, the Humans For Sapient Rights organization) and not-so-sympathetic (Pietr, some of the bloggers, the HLF) humans in the story, and there are ponies that do legitimately want to help the humans.

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** Like a lot of other things, this is deconstructed - there are sympathetic humans (Andrew, Antonio, Russell, the Humans For Sapient Rights organization) and not-so-sympathetic one (Pietr, some of the bloggers, the HLF) humans in the story, and there are ponies that do legitimately want to help the humans.



** Later chapters have Celestia become this as well.



** Seemingly averted when Twilight starts to express doubts in private, where, without the influence of her peers, she finally starts to understand some part of ''why'' humanity isn't so keen on ponification. Sadly, come [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars the sequel]], she's ''still'' in denial.

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** Seemingly averted when Twilight starts to express doubts in private, where, without the influence of her peers, she finally starts to understand some part of ''why'' humanity isn't wasn't so keen on receptive ponification. Sadly, come [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars the sequel]], she's ''still'' in denial.



* KarmaHoudini: At first it seems [[spoiler:Celestia is this. She destroyed several human cities, left thousands of people homeless, was directly responsible for the war that cost the lives of several humans and ponies, and essentially tried to exterminate the human race in the process. When she realizes she's going to lose said war, she takes Equestria and runs away, rather than surrender herself to the humans to save her ponies.]] That said, [[spoiler:she's fully aware this means she's abandoning all the ponies who were captured/aren't currently in Equestria, and that about the only thing keeping her from breaking down is the fact she needs to be strong for the survivors]].\\
\\
Ultimately subverted in the last chapter, [[spoiler: where the combination of losing the war, missing their friends and family members they had to leave behind on earth, and the odd behaviors of the newfoals causes the ponies of Equestria to begin questioning her actions and start to lose faith in her, and the gryphon and zebra kingdoms identify her as a threat.]] Granted, she'll probably avoid Karma for a while, but not forever.

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* KarmaHoudini: Ultimately subverted in the last chapter. At first it seems [[spoiler:Celestia is this. She destroyed like Celestia would get away with destroying several human cities, left leaving thousands of people homeless, was directly responsible for starting the war that cost the lives of several humans and ponies, and essentially tried trying to exterminate the human race in the process. race. When she realizes she's going to lose said the war, she takes [[spoiler:takes Equestria and runs away, rather than surrender herself to retreats]]. At the humans to save her ponies.]] That said, [[spoiler:she's fully aware this means she's abandoning all the ponies who were captured/aren't currently in Equestria, and end, it's revealed that about the only thing keeping her from breaking down is the fact she needs to be strong for the survivors]].\\
\\
Ultimately subverted in the last chapter, [[spoiler: where
the combination of losing the war, missing their friends and family members they had to leave behind on earth, and the odd behaviors of the newfoals causes is causing the ponies of Equestria to begin questioning her actions and start to lose faith in her, and the gryphon and zebra kingdoms identify her as a threat.]] threat]]. Granted, she'll probably avoid Karma for a while, but not forever.



* MugglesDoItBetter: [[spoiler:Rocket artillery beats force field. Machine guns beat Royal Guard armour.]]

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* MugglesDoItBetter: [[spoiler:Rocket artillery beats force field. Machine guns beat Royal Guard armour.armor.]]



** {{Jerkass God}}desses: Celestia has said that she stands by [[AssInAmbassador Twilight Sparkle's]] words. It's later revealed that Luna seems to agree with Celestia.

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** {{Jerkass God}}desses: Celestia has said that she stands by [[AssInAmbassador Twilight Sparkle's]] words. It's later revealed that Luna seems to agree completely agrees with Celestia.



* TheQuisling: [[spoiler: Bon-Bon sells out the members of the "Equestrians for Humans" despite many of them, particularly Lyra, being her friends.]]
* RealityEnsues: This fic in a nutshell, as applied to the Conversion Bureau subgenre.

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* TheQuisling: [[spoiler: Bon-Bon sells out the members of the "Equestrians for Humans" despite many of them, particularly Lyra, being her friends.]]
* RealityEnsues: This fic in a nutshell, as applied to takes the essential premise and elements of ''The Conversion Bureau subgenre.Bureau'' and then shows how they would play out realistically. For one thing, the humans aren't exactly happy with the ponies' offensively misanthropic attitudes.



** Several readers gave their own speeches in the comments section.
*** The author of [[FanFic/FriendsOfASolarEmpire Friends of a Solar Empire]] and [[Fanfic/AHero A Hero]] gave one mixed with a WorldOfCardboardSpeech.
* ScaryDogmaticAliens: TheFundamentalist type. Instantly Celestia looks at human culture, deems it barbaric, and creates the ponification potion to '[[YouWillBeAssimilated convert]]' humanity into 'better' forms. When humans start rejecting the potion, Celestia tries to eliminate humanity with her barrier.

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** Several readers also gave their own speeches in the comments section.
***
section. The author of [[FanFic/FriendsOfASolarEmpire Friends of a Solar Empire]] ''FanFic/FriendsOfASolarEmpire'' and [[Fanfic/AHero A Hero]] ''Fanfic/AHero'' gave one mixed with a WorldOfCardboardSpeech.
* ScaryDogmaticAliens: TheFundamentalist type. Instantly Celestia looks at human culture, instantly deems it barbaric, and creates the ponification potion to '[[YouWillBeAssimilated convert]]' offer them the chance to [[YouWillBeAssimilated "uplift"]] themselves into a "better state of being". When the majority of humanity into 'better' forms. When humans start rejecting the potion, makes it clear they don't want to change, Celestia tries decides to eliminate humanity with her force them to accept it by expanding the barrier.



** Dalek IX has begun work on a fan sequel, found [[http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mlp-fim-the-conversion-bureau-conquer-the-stars.237773/ here]]. It now has [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars its own tropes page.]]
*** Warwolf has also started a fan sequel, [[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/83196/the-shadow-of-ages The Shadow of Ages.]] The two sequels are entirely unrelated though both are set sometime after the end of the original. How long varies. Dalek IX's fic is at least a century or so after the original. Warwolf's...hasn't actually been defined in terms of timeline beyond the fact that it's sometime after Equestria jumped back to its own world.

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** Dalek IX has begun work on a fan wrote his own sequel, found [[http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mlp-fim-the-conversion-bureau-conquer-the-stars.237773/ here]]. It now has [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars its own tropes page.]]
*** Warwolf has also started made a fan sequel, [[http://www.''[[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/83196/the-shadow-of-ages The Shadow of Ages.]] Ages]]''. The two sequels are entirely unrelated unrelated, though both are set sometime after the end of the original. How long varies. Dalek IX's fic is at least a century or so after the original. Warwolf's...Warwolf's hasn't actually been defined in terms of timeline beyond the fact that it's sometime after Equestria jumped back to its own world.



** Lyra says Celestia could tell ponies [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour two plus two equals five]] and they'd believe it.

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** Lyra says Celestia could tell the ponies that [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour two plus two equals five]] and they'd believe it.it without question.



* SouthAfricansWithSurfaceToAirMissiles: The author went to quite some lengths to describe the fighting prowess of South African artillery and light armored cavalry, including detailing their names and weapon systems.

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* SouthAfricansWithSurfaceToAirMissiles: The author went has definitely [[ShownTheirWork done his research]], going to quite some great lengths to accurately describe the fighting prowess of the South African military's artillery and light armored cavalry, including detailing their names and weapon systems.



* UncannyValley: InUniverse - [[spoiler: the natural-born ponies find the newfoals unsettling and strange]].

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* UncannyValley: InUniverse - [[spoiler: the InUniverse, it's revealed that [[spoiler:the natural-born ponies find the newfoals unsettling and strange]].
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* BarrierBustingBlow: It takes ridiculous amounts of dakka, but eventually something (likely a large missile strike) was able to break down the barrier.
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