History Fanfic / TheConversionBureauNotAlone

27th Dec '16 10:08:24 PM KizunaTallis
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* HeelRealization: In ''The Man From Cape Town'', it's hinted that Twilight is beginning to have second doubts.

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* HeelRealization: In ''The Man From Cape Town'', it's hinted that Twilight is beginning to have second doubts.thoughts.



** Seemingly averted when Twilight starts to express doubts in private, where, without the influence of her peers, she finally starts to understand some part of ''why'' humanity wasn't so receptive ponification. Sadly, come [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars the sequel]], she's ''still'' in denial.

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** Seemingly averted when Twilight starts to express doubts in private, where, without the influence of her peers, she finally starts to understand some part of ''why'' humanity wasn't so receptive to ponification. Sadly, come [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars the sequel]], she's ''still'' in denial.



* RousingSpeech: What U.S. diplomat Ellen Rowe gives after the United Nations General Assembly [[spoiler: declares war on Equestria]].
** Several readers also gave their own speeches in the comments section. The author of ''FanFic/FriendsOfASolarEmpire'' and ''Fanfic/AHero'' gave one mixed with a WorldOfCardboardSpeech.

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* RousingSpeech: What U.S. diplomat Ellen Rowe gives after the United Nations General Assembly [[spoiler: declares war on Equestria]].
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Equestria]]. Several readers also gave their own speeches in the comments section. The author of ''FanFic/FriendsOfASolarEmpire'' and ''Fanfic/AHero'' gave one mixed with a WorldOfCardboardSpeech.
22nd Dec '16 10:03:46 PM KizunaTallis
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* {{Anticlimax}}: ''Celestia's Answer'' ends with [[spoiler: Equestria just... vanishing]].
* AliensAreBastards: Averted. While ponies like Twilight Sparkle ''definitely'' qualify, there's also ones like [[MeaningfulName Ice Breaker]], Evening Star and Lyra, who do not agree with what Celestia is doing.
* AnArmAndALeg: [[spoiler:Shining Armor]] lost both hind legs during the battle of South Africa.

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* {{Anticlimax}}: ''Celestia's Answer'' ends with [[spoiler: Equestria just... vanishing]].
[[spoiler:vanishing in a bright flash of light, retreating away back to their home dimension]].
* AliensAreBastards: Averted.Zigzagged. While ponies like Twilight Sparkle ''definitely'' qualify, there's also ones like [[MeaningfulName Ice Breaker]], Evening Star and Lyra, who do not agree with what Celestia is doing.
* AnArmAndALeg: Several of the Royal Guards lose at least one limb due to the heavy wounds they sustained from battling humanity. [[spoiler:Shining Armor]] lost both of his hind legs during the battle of South Africa.



* BittersweetEnding: For Earth. The good news is that [[spoiler:Equestria retreats back to its home dimension and won't be bothering anyone else anytime soon, humanity survives, there is hope for peaceful coexistence with the ponies left on Earth, and it appears Celestia will get her comeuppance.]] The bad news is that [[spoiler: the PER and HLF are still out there and still a threat, many ponies are still being held in internment camps, South Africa is turning into a fascist hellhole, and many countries have begun spending massive amounts of money (at the expense of education and healthcare) on the military and building weapons in preparation for a war that will never come.]]
* BlatantLies: Celestia, in an interview, states that she wants friendship between species. She also states that she's not forcing humanity to accept ponification. If you're familiar with the Conversion Bureau in general, you'd see that neither of these statements are true.
** Confirmed by Luna herself when she says it wasn't Celestia's fault that they rejected her 'perfect solution' for the problems of humanity despite everything she did to make sure they didn't.
*** Plus it's revealed at the end that Celestia personally transported Equestria to Earth to purposefully assimilate them.
* CreepySouvenir: In ''The Battle Of South Africa'', [[spoiler:the soldier Pieter]] hacks off a dead unicorn's horn as a trophy. This is NOT to be seen as a good thing.

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* BittersweetEnding: For Earth. The good news is that [[spoiler:Equestria retreats back to its home dimension and won't be bothering anyone else anytime soon, humanity survives, there is hope for peaceful coexistence with the ponies left on Earth, and it appears is made clear Celestia will get answer for her comeuppance.]] arrogant actions eventually]]. The bad news is that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the PER and HLF are still out there and still a threat, problem, many ponies are still being held in the internment camps, South Africa is turning into a fascist hellhole, and many several countries have begun started spending massive amounts of money (at the expense of education education, healthcare and healthcare) other programs) on the their military forces and building weapons in preparation for a war that will never come.]]
* BlatantLies: Celestia, in an interview, states that she wants friendship between species. She also states that ponykind and humanity and she's not forcing humanity to accept ponification. If you're familiar with the usual conventions of ''The Conversion Bureau in general, Bureau'', you'd see that neither of these statements are true.
** Confirmed by Luna herself when she says it wasn't Celestia's fault that they the humans rejected her 'perfect solution' gift' for the resolving their problems of humanity despite everything she did to make sure they didn't.
*** Plus Plus, it's revealed at the end that Celestia personally transported Equestria to Earth to purposefully assimilate them.
them (instead of doing a simple diplomatic mission as she was entrusted by the rest of Equus.
* CreepySouvenir: In ''The Battle Of South Africa'', [[spoiler:the soldier Pieter]] hacks off a dead unicorn's horn as a trophy. This is NOT ''not'' to be seen as a good thing.



* DeconstructionFic: Of ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''.
** Humanity reacts appropriately to the ponies' misanthropy, the effects of the expanding Equestrian bubble are further examined, and we have human-sympathizing ponies.

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* DeconstructionFic: Of ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''.This fic takes the main ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau'' and shows just how it would realistically play out.
** Humanity First off, humanity reacts appropriately to the ponies' misanthropy, misanthropy (as in, they are not flattered by their blatant assimilation plot and declare war as a result), the effects of the expanding Equestrian bubble barrier are further examined, and we have human-sympathizing ponies.it's shown that some ponies (and non-ponies) sympathize with the humans.



** Pony superiority over humans in battle was also deconstructed, as Rainbow Dash finds out the hard way. She initially wanted to go out to the front lines, "bucking all the humans before they could hit her," but this ambition dies ''very'' quickly once she sees the evacuating Royal Guards, many of whom are wounded badly or are in need of medical attention.

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** Pony superiority over humans in battle was also deconstructed, shot down, as Rainbow Dash finds out the hard way. She initially wanted to go out to the front lines, "bucking all the humans before they could hit her," but this ambition dies ''very'' quickly once she sees the evacuating Royal Guards, many of whom are wounded badly or are in need of medical attention.permanently disfigured.



* {{Expy}}: Several elements of the story are borrowed from WorldWarTwo: a nation rapidly gaining power under the control of a self-righteous, bigoted dictator begins expanding into the surrounding world, and eventually crosses the line, bringing a large part of the rest of the world down on it with full military might, and resulting in the internment of suspected spies within the "allies" solely by ethnicity.

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* {{Expy}}: Several elements of the story are borrowed from WorldWarTwo: UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo: a nation rapidly gaining power under the control of a self-righteous, bigoted dictator begins expanding expands into the surrounding world, and eventually crosses the line, bringing a large part of the rest of the world down on it with world's full military might, might down on it, and resulting in the internment of suspected spies within the "allies" solely by ethnicity.



* ExtremelyShortTimeSpan: According to Celestia, the Battles of South Africa and the South Atlantic - the events of up to four whole chapters - took place in only two, extremely intense and brutal days.

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* ExtremelyShortTimeSpan: According to Celestia, the Battles of South Africa and the South Atlantic - the events of up to (which was covered in four whole chapters - chapters) took place in only two, two extremely intense and brutal days.



*** When one pony suggests resorting to violence against humans who want to turn them over to the SAS, he's immediately berated by his colleague for "acting human." This is made even more egregious when compared to Newfoal Thunderhead, who says he cannot think mean things because of the potions, but natural-born ponies clearly can.

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*** When one pony suggests resorting to violence against humans who want to turn them over to the SAS, he's immediately berated by his colleague for "acting human." This [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] is made even more egregious when compared to Newfoal Thunderhead, who says he cannot think mean things because of the potions, but natural-born ponies clearly can.



** It's pretty heavily hinted that Fluttershy thinks ''they'' were the ones who approached the humans wrong, not that humanity was inherently vile.
*** After Twilight thinks about the effects of the potion, and what they would do to Shining Armor if it could heal him, she finally realizes the ''real'' reason humanity went to war.
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Unicorns turning human weapons against their wielders.

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** It's pretty heavily hinted that Fluttershy thinks ''they'' were does bring up the ones who possibility that the ponies might have approached the humans wrong, not the wrong way, heavily implying she herself is also doubting Celestia. In fact, [[spoiler:in ''Conquer the Stars'', she ends up cutting all ties with the others and goes into exile, citing her feeling that humanity Equestria was inherently vile.
in the wrong for trying to turn the humans]].
*** After Towards the end, Twilight thinks about momentarily considers using the effects of potion on [[spoiler:Shining Armor]], but immediately shoots it down, feeling uncomfortable with the potion, and what they would do to Shining Armor if it could heal him, she finally thought of him becoming a different pony. She then suddenly realizes that this was how the ''real'' reason humanity went humans likely felt, coming to war.
an understanding. Unfortunately, come ''Conquer the Stars'', it's become an IgnoredEpiphany.
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Unicorns turning human weapons against their wielders.can magically steal guns from humans and shoot back.



** Like a lot of other things, this is deconstructed - there are sympathetic (Andrew, Antonio, Russell, the Humans For Sapient Rights organization) and not-so-sympathetic (Pietr, some of the bloggers, the HLF) humans in the story, and there are ponies that do legitimately want to help the humans.

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** Like a lot of other things, this is deconstructed - there are sympathetic humans (Andrew, Antonio, Russell, the Humans For Sapient Rights organization) and not-so-sympathetic one (Pietr, some of the bloggers, the HLF) humans in the story, and there are ponies that do legitimately want to help the humans.



** Later chapters have Celestia become this as well.



** Seemingly averted when Twilight starts to express doubts in private, where, without the influence of her peers, she finally starts to understand some part of ''why'' humanity isn't so keen on ponification. Sadly, come [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars the sequel]], she's ''still'' in denial.

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** Seemingly averted when Twilight starts to express doubts in private, where, without the influence of her peers, she finally starts to understand some part of ''why'' humanity isn't wasn't so keen on receptive ponification. Sadly, come [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars the sequel]], she's ''still'' in denial.



* KarmaHoudini: At first it seems [[spoiler:Celestia is this. She destroyed several human cities, left thousands of people homeless, was directly responsible for the war that cost the lives of several humans and ponies, and essentially tried to exterminate the human race in the process. When she realizes she's going to lose said war, she takes Equestria and runs away, rather than surrender herself to the humans to save her ponies.]] That said, [[spoiler:she's fully aware this means she's abandoning all the ponies who were captured/aren't currently in Equestria, and that about the only thing keeping her from breaking down is the fact she needs to be strong for the survivors]].\\
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Ultimately subverted in the last chapter, [[spoiler: where the combination of losing the war, missing their friends and family members they had to leave behind on earth, and the odd behaviors of the newfoals causes the ponies of Equestria to begin questioning her actions and start to lose faith in her, and the gryphon and zebra kingdoms identify her as a threat.]] Granted, she'll probably avoid Karma for a while, but not forever.

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* KarmaHoudini: Ultimately subverted in the last chapter. At first it seems [[spoiler:Celestia is this. She destroyed like Celestia would get away with destroying several human cities, left leaving thousands of people homeless, was directly responsible for starting the war that cost the lives of several humans and ponies, and essentially tried trying to exterminate the human race in the process. race. When she realizes she's going to lose said the war, she takes [[spoiler:takes Equestria and runs away, rather than surrender herself to retreats]]. At the humans to save her ponies.]] That said, [[spoiler:she's fully aware this means she's abandoning all the ponies who were captured/aren't currently in Equestria, and end, it's revealed that about the only thing keeping her from breaking down is the fact she needs to be strong for the survivors]].\\
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Ultimately subverted in the last chapter, [[spoiler: where
the combination of losing the war, missing their friends and family members they had to leave behind on earth, and the odd behaviors of the newfoals causes is causing the ponies of Equestria to begin questioning her actions and start to lose faith in her, and the gryphon and zebra kingdoms identify her as a threat.]] threat]]. Granted, she'll probably avoid Karma for a while, but not forever.



* MugglesDoItBetter: [[spoiler:Rocket artillery beats force field. Machine guns beat Royal Guard armour.]]

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* MugglesDoItBetter: [[spoiler:Rocket artillery beats force field. Machine guns beat Royal Guard armour.armor.]]



** {{Jerkass God}}desses: Celestia has said that she stands by [[AssInAmbassador Twilight Sparkle's]] words. It's later revealed that Luna seems to agree with Celestia.

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** {{Jerkass God}}desses: Celestia has said that she stands by [[AssInAmbassador Twilight Sparkle's]] words. It's later revealed that Luna seems to agree completely agrees with Celestia.



* TheQuisling: [[spoiler: Bon-Bon sells out the members of the "Equestrians for Humans" despite many of them, particularly Lyra, being her friends.]]
* RealityEnsues: This fic in a nutshell, as applied to the Conversion Bureau subgenre.

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* TheQuisling: [[spoiler: Bon-Bon sells out the members of the "Equestrians for Humans" despite many of them, particularly Lyra, being her friends.]]
* RealityEnsues: This fic in a nutshell, as applied to takes the essential premise and elements of ''The Conversion Bureau subgenre.Bureau'' and then shows how they would play out realistically. For one thing, the humans aren't exactly happy with the ponies' offensively misanthropic attitudes.



** Several readers gave their own speeches in the comments section.
*** The author of [[FanFic/FriendsOfASolarEmpire Friends of a Solar Empire]] and [[Fanfic/AHero A Hero]] gave one mixed with a WorldOfCardboardSpeech.
* ScaryDogmaticAliens: TheFundamentalist type. Instantly Celestia looks at human culture, deems it barbaric, and creates the ponification potion to '[[YouWillBeAssimilated convert]]' humanity into 'better' forms. When humans start rejecting the potion, Celestia tries to eliminate humanity with her barrier.

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** Several readers also gave their own speeches in the comments section.
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section. The author of [[FanFic/FriendsOfASolarEmpire Friends of a Solar Empire]] ''FanFic/FriendsOfASolarEmpire'' and [[Fanfic/AHero A Hero]] ''Fanfic/AHero'' gave one mixed with a WorldOfCardboardSpeech.
* ScaryDogmaticAliens: TheFundamentalist type. Instantly Celestia looks at human culture, instantly deems it barbaric, and creates the ponification potion to '[[YouWillBeAssimilated convert]]' offer them the chance to [[YouWillBeAssimilated "uplift"]] themselves into a "better state of being". When the majority of humanity into 'better' forms. When humans start rejecting the potion, makes it clear they don't want to change, Celestia tries decides to eliminate humanity with her force them to accept it by expanding the barrier.



** Dalek IX has begun work on a fan sequel, found [[http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mlp-fim-the-conversion-bureau-conquer-the-stars.237773/ here]]. It now has [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars its own tropes page.]]
*** Warwolf has also started a fan sequel, [[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/83196/the-shadow-of-ages The Shadow of Ages.]] The two sequels are entirely unrelated though both are set sometime after the end of the original. How long varies. Dalek IX's fic is at least a century or so after the original. Warwolf's...hasn't actually been defined in terms of timeline beyond the fact that it's sometime after Equestria jumped back to its own world.

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** Dalek IX has begun work on a fan wrote his own sequel, found [[http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mlp-fim-the-conversion-bureau-conquer-the-stars.237773/ here]]. It now has [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureauConquerTheStars its own tropes page.]]
*** Warwolf has also started made a fan sequel, [[http://www.''[[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/83196/the-shadow-of-ages The Shadow of Ages.]] Ages]]''. The two sequels are entirely unrelated unrelated, though both are set sometime after the end of the original. How long varies. Dalek IX's fic is at least a century or so after the original. Warwolf's...Warwolf's hasn't actually been defined in terms of timeline beyond the fact that it's sometime after Equestria jumped back to its own world.



** Lyra says Celestia could tell ponies [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour two plus two equals five]] and they'd believe it.

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** Lyra says Celestia could tell the ponies that [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour two plus two equals five]] and they'd believe it.it without question.



* SouthAfricansWithSurfaceToAirMissiles: The author went to quite some lengths to describe the fighting prowess of South African artillery and light armored cavalry, including detailing their names and weapon systems.

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* SouthAfricansWithSurfaceToAirMissiles: The author went has definitely [[ShownTheirWork done his research]], going to quite some great lengths to accurately describe the fighting prowess of the South African military's artillery and light armored cavalry, including detailing their names and weapon systems.



* UncannyValley: InUniverse - [[spoiler: the natural-born ponies find the newfoals unsettling and strange]].

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* UncannyValley: InUniverse - [[spoiler: the InUniverse, it's revealed that [[spoiler:the natural-born ponies find the newfoals unsettling and strange]].
1st Nov '16 7:59:18 AM dlchen145
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* BarrierBustingBlow: It takes ridiculous amounts of dakka, but eventually something (likely a large missile strike) was able to break down the barrier.
12th Aug '16 8:17:27 PM KizunaTallis
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Added DiffLines:

* BarrierBustingBlow: It takes ridiculous amounts of dakka, but eventually something (likely a large missile strike) was able to break down the barrier.
27th Jun '15 8:19:39 AM jeez
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* PyrrhicVictory: Chapter 18, ''The Battle Of South Africa'' is this [[spoiler: for the humans]]. An artillery detachment and their escort get stuck in the mud and are ambushed by a small number of Royal Guards. An armoured scout rolls in and changes the tide in favour of the humans, but the unicorns possess some of the guns and turn them against their wielders. By the time more human backup can arrive, [[spoiler: most of the detachment is dead, as are all of the ambushers]].

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* PyrrhicVictory: Chapter 18, ''The Battle Of South Africa'' is this [[spoiler: for the humans]]. An artillery detachment and their escort get stuck in the mud and are ambushed by a small number of Royal Guards. An armoured scout rolls in and changes the tide in favour of the humans, but the unicorns possess some of the guns and turn them against their wielders. By [[spoiler:By the time more human backup can arrive, [[spoiler: most of the detachment is dead, as only combatants still standing are all of the ambushers]].two human artillerymen]].
12th May '15 3:31:07 AM SeptimusHeap
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** Also, a chapter is called ''TheLongestDay''.

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** Also, a chapter is called ''TheLongestDay''.''Film/TheLongestDay''.
6th Dec '14 1:26:59 PM Gideoncrawle
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* [[spoiler: {{Anticlimax}}]]: ''Celestia's Answer'' ends with [[spoiler: Equestria just... vanishing]].

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* [[spoiler: {{Anticlimax}}]]: {{Anticlimax}}: ''Celestia's Answer'' ends with [[spoiler: Equestria just... vanishing]].



* [[ScaryDogmaticAliens Scary Dogmatic Ponies]]: TheFundamentalist type. Instantly Celestia looks at human culture, deems it barbaric, and creates the ponification potion to '[[YouWillBeAssimilated convert]]' humanity into 'better' forms. When humans start rejecting the potion, Celestia tries to eliminate humanity with her barrier.

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* [[ScaryDogmaticAliens Scary Dogmatic Ponies]]: ScaryDogmaticAliens: TheFundamentalist type. Instantly Celestia looks at human culture, deems it barbaric, and creates the ponification potion to '[[YouWillBeAssimilated convert]]' humanity into 'better' forms. When humans start rejecting the potion, Celestia tries to eliminate humanity with her barrier.



* [[ScrewYouElves Screw You Ponies]]: Humanity as a whole does not take kindly to the ponies' misanthropic and ambiguously genocidal attitudes.

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* [[ScrewYouElves Screw You Ponies]]: ScrewYouElves: Humanity as a whole does not take kindly to the ponies' misanthropic and ambiguously genocidal attitudes.
9th Jul '14 7:08:57 AM REV6Pilot
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* DownerEnding: For Equestria. They [[spoiler:are able to make it back safely to their home dimension in one piece, but their military is utterly decimated, and in their hasty retreat, the princesses were forced to leave more than 3000 ponies behind to an uncertain future on Earth. Moreover, the population is revealed to be losing their faith in the princesses, and the gryphon and zebra nations are ''not'' happy to hear about what Celestia tried to do to the humans. The story ultimately closes with the Gryphon Queen writing a letter to Celestia that heavily hints they may even wage war against Equestria.]]

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* DownerEnding: For Equestria. They [[spoiler:are able to make it back safely to their home dimension in one piece, but their military is utterly decimated, and in their hasty retreat, the princesses were forced to leave more than 3000 ponies behind to an uncertain future on Earth. Moreover, the population is revealed to be losing their faith in the princesses, and the gryphon and zebra nations are ''not'' happy to hear about what Celestia tried to do to the humans. The story ultimately closes with the Gryphon Queen writing a letter to Celestia that heavily hints they may even wage war against Equestria.Equestria (which is exactly what happens in ''Conquer the Stars'').]]
30th Mar '14 7:07:44 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* AliensAreBastards: Subverted. While ponies like Twilight Sparkle ''definitely'' qualify, there's also ones like [[MeaningfulName Ice Breaker]], Evening Star and Lyra, who do not agree with what Celestia is doing.

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* AliensAreBastards: Subverted.Averted. While ponies like Twilight Sparkle ''definitely'' qualify, there's also ones like [[MeaningfulName Ice Breaker]], Evening Star and Lyra, who do not agree with what Celestia is doing.



* AssimilationPlot: {{Deconstruct}}s the typical TCB ponification crusade by Celestia.
* AssInAmbassador: Twilight Sparkle ends up offending ''[[UpToEleven the entire human race]]'' and sparking a war between Earth and Equestria.

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* AssimilationPlot: {{Deconstruct}}s the The typical TCB ponification crusade by Celestia.
* AssInAmbassador: Twilight Sparkle ends up offending ''[[UpToEleven the ''the entire human race]]'' race'' and sparking a war between Earth and Equestria.



* DeconstructionFic: Of ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''. Humanity reacts appropriately to the ponies' misanthropy, the effects of the expanding Equestrian bubble are further examined, and we have human-sympathizing ponies.

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* DeconstructionFic: Of ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''. Humanity
**Humanity
reacts appropriately to the ponies' misanthropy, the effects of the expanding Equestrian bubble are further examined, and we have human-sympathizing ponies.
19th Mar '14 1:14:52 PM KizunaTallis
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* ColbertBump: This story managed to set up Anti-TCB stories that weren't as heavy-handed as the actual TCB stories, as well as other "humans in Equestria" stories that have GreyAndGreyMorality once it appeared on Spacebattles.
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