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Sci Vo: How is this different from the single-character version of Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering??
Sniffnoy: I don't think it is... I thought it had been decided to lump this?
Paul A: It's also very similar to Proportional Article Importance.
Fast Eddie: Deleted an "actually," from somebody who can't read.
Nlpnt: Writing your warning labels IN ALL CAPS WILL DO THAT. Plugged it back in minus the "actually" and tweaked it to make it more obvious that it's meant as a meta-reference.
Fast Eddie: Moving out this natter.
- Mind you, Marx was rather against anything whose purpose was purely to make the proletariat more content with their lot — he wanted them angry enough to revolt.
- No, you're... missing the point again. Marx was more a historian and a philosopher than the rabble-rouser he is made out to be; he saw himself as predicting social conflict, rather than causing it. (This was another detail that tended to get lost by his latter-day followers.) He therefore opposed anti-religious movements on the grounds that they accomplished nothing and would only make the supposedly inevitable revolution more painful for the population.
- Mind you, Marx was rather against anything whose purpose was purely to make the proletariat more content with their lot — he wanted them angry enough to revolt.
Noaqiyeum: "He conveniently left out the fact that these lines were spoken by Iago, one of the greatest villains and deceivers in all of literature, and didn't mention that Iago made another speech, making the exact opposite point, to another character."
This rebuttal sounds like it falls into Hitler Ate Sugar.
Norwegian Guy: I've rewritten the main description. It is now up to the Hive Mind to decide whether this one is better than the old one, or should be shot, and whether it still needs further improvement.
Motion to delete examples:
- This editor once encountered a quote denouncing the revelation that Dumbledore was gay by saying "...And then his lover died, & that's why he turned evil, or something like that, I don't read that Satanic garbage!" A blatant example of [1] and [2].
- A weird Life Imitates Art example: In The Catcher In The Rye, the protagonist is furious when he discovers that someone has scrawled the word "fuck" where children can see it. So were the Moral Guardians who banned the book.
- South Park The Movie was about people's overreaction to profanity, resulting in a brutally violent war with Canada. The main controversy about the movie? Strangely enough, the profanity.
- No, it's missing the point; overreacting to profanity in media was the thing being talked about in the movie. When it came out, people...Overracted to the profanity in it, without seeing it was a satire. And thus missed the point.
- Brass Eye lives off this trope. 'CAKE is a made-up drug. It's not made from plants, it's made from chemicals ... by sick bastards...' It's made from some of each, with animal secretions thrown in to boot. Wheat flour, sugar and cocoa are all plant products; add animal-derived milk and eggs, plus chemical baking powd-oh, wait...
- Brass Eye is a satire show based largely around comical displays of people missing the point when confronted by hysterically worded media displays. It is indeed all about this trope; the point is people were willing to sign up to a campaign to ban CAKE on the basis of it being 'made from chemicals.'
- Some years ago the BBC broadcast Apocalypse Now, showing all the gorn, but cutting the line: 'We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene!'. The Radio Times - a TV scheduling magazine aimed at a family audience - avoided this, by quoting the line in full in a reader's letter complaining about the cut.
- You Completely Missed The Point. The magazine part isn't the point of the entry; rather, it's that the BBC apparently failed to realise that they were doing exactly what the line is about, that being regarding swearing as more obscene than war.
- If you attempt to buy the WiiWare game Star Soldier R, you are treated to a warning screen. Is it about seizures or violent content? No. It's warns you about the length of the game and the purpose of it, and for good reason: it's a short game that only offers 2-minute, 5-minute and quick shot modes, and the objective of the game is to score as many points as possible, rather than to beat it. People who don't play for score would otherwise buy the game expecting a full game, only to throw their Wiis out the window after five minutes.
- In Dragon Ball, Goku is fighting Tien near the end of the first part of the series. Goku starts bragging about his newfound speed, and Tien starts saying that he has a new secret technique. What he doesn't realize is that a few seconds prior, Goku stole his belt and his pants are down. Worse yet for Tien, this is at the Budokai Tenkaichi, which attracts thousands of viewers, 2 of which are Big Bad Piccolo and Kami.
- The original concept for Disney's "Snow White's Scary Adventures" was that the riders were seeing things through Snow White's eyes, which is why she did not appear in the ride's initial incarnation. She was later added after numerous patrons wondered where she was (to say nothing of all the children who—surprise!—found being menaced by an evil witch completely traumatizing).
- Humor columnist Dave Barry often uses completely (and intentionally) false facts in his columns. He also occasionally prints outraged responses to said facts from people who think he genuinely believes what he writes.
Rothul: Agreed... I'm as against Bowdlerization as anyone, but I don't buy the argument that "A person using offensive language to make fun of people who hate offensive language makes the language unoffensive." If people wish to censor the word "fuck," it is not missing the point to attempt to censor it if it is used in a case that makes fun of them for doing so.
- That's not the argument, though. The argument from Apocalypse Now was that killing is more obscene than swearing. What they did was not just miss the point, but deliberately remove it from the movie, and if you're going to do that, it must be asked why you're even screening said movie to begin with. In cases like South Park, the principle point-missing was that people didn't see the movie was a satire and that by objecting in the manner they did [calling for bans, etc] they were demonstrating how correct it was.
Po8: The article here was originally supposed to be anything but a meta-entry where people cited real-life instances of other people (supposedly) "missing the point" of some media creation. Instead, it was supposed to be what the original description (what happened to it?) and some of the examples describe: a fictional *character* completely missing a really obvious point, usually for comic effect.
I really, really want to either mark the whole damn entry for deletion, or at least rewrite the description and clip out all the non-examples. Somebody talk me out of it, or suggest which of these two alternatives is more appropriate.
I mean, the irony is great, but…
Morgan Wick: You should have shot down the title the instant you heard it, or at least put an ALL CAPS WARNING the instant it started to drift to make it Anvilicious. It desperately needs a new title if we're going to keep that definition. Unless there's no distinction between what it's become and Misaimed Fandom, because then the new examples don't belong here anyway, but even then we probably should still give it a new title and make this a redirect because of its handiness as a Predefined Message.
Fast Eddie: Pulling this off toic material that is dated, anyway.
- In the United States, a great fuss is being made about proper supervision of funding and its use in bailing out the automotive industry. In an effort to make the bailout more palatable, Congressional backers announced that a "Car Czar" would be established by the Bush Administration to ensure the bailout money is actually used to streamline the car manufacturers.
- This REALLY misses the point, as the Bush Administration's fanatic insistence on deregulation is a major source of voter dissatisfaction, to the point that the reflex reaction to this news is that of absolute hostility toward the bailout and the Congress as well, and a major source of the economy tanking in the first place.
Lull The Conqueror: Cut this:
- Wuthering Heights is about how being with the "bad boy" is a horrible idea. The author of Twilight, however, completely missed the point.
Feel free to put it back in if you know something about a connection between Wuthering Heights and Twilight of which I'm unaware. Otherwise, this isn't so much "missing the point" as it is "two works having different themes." Yeah, I know, Twilight-bashing is fun, but seriously.
Ego: The reason it was there is because Stephanie Meyer has repeatedly drawn parallels between the two works, both within the Twilight books and in interviews. I'm going to put it back in with a little more explanation.
Lull The Conqueror: Cool, that works. I didn't know she'd ever drawn an explicit parallel.
Fast Eddie: Regarding cutlisting: The trope was meant to be about a comedic technique. A simple set up with a simple punch. Seems pretty plain to me that any Take-That-ish example is missing the point. Cutting those should be enough to get this one back on track.
Edited later add: Seems like a goodly number if the examples could be moved to "Missed The Irony".
Rothul Agreed.
Dragon Quest Z: I culled those that were not directly referenced in fiction. Anything meta can go to the troper tales page.
- Mike Rosoft: For the record, the removed examples are the following (they might go to Misaomed Fandom or a related page):
- The movie 300 may be an example of this. That's all we're going to say on the subject.
- Pearl Harbor. Period.
- When Dogma was released, this editor saw an interview with a woman who complained that the film mentioned Jesus having siblings, which she claimed wasn't true according to the Bible. Of course, in the film itself Bethany, when told she's a descendant of a sibling of Jesus, says the exact same thing, causing Metatron to explicitly correct her by pointing out that the Bible does not in fact say Jesus was Mary's only child, only the first one.
- The woman was probably speaking in a sort of metaphysical sense. The Bible itself has James, brother of Jesus, but there remains a bit of apocrypha (only accepted by some Catholics) that Mary died a virgin.
- Brothers and sisters of Jesus are mentioned at least in one Gospel. Amusingly, all the time when people flout to 'Virgin' Mary they fail to remember that it implies that Josef too was either virgin, or unfaithful.
- Official Church teaching is that Mary died a virgin, and any supposed "siblings" would be from Josef's earlier marriages (he would've been about 20-30 years older than her, if we're going by accepted practice at the time)
- Considering that those "siblings" all act older than Jesus (for instance, giving him advice on what He should do with His life, something a younger sibling in that time and place would never do) it's fairly safe to assume that they were step-siblings. Or maybe even older cousins as the same word was used for both.
- In 1996, Canadian director Mary Harron made the movie I Shot Andy Warhol about extremely radical feminist Valerie Solanas, founder and only member of SCUM, the Society for Cutting Up Men. Before, she read through the ramblings of Solanas and found them "cool, logical and very funny".
- She didn't entirely miss the point, however, as the movie shows Solanas as paranoid and insane, and shoots Warhol despite the fact he's the only character in the film who is nothing but nice to her.
- The makers of the film version of V For Vendetta seem to have completely missed the point as well in their decision to make V a hero.
- Many disability advocacy groups protested that Tropic Thunder made fun of and demeaned mentally impaired individuals, due to the repeated use of the word "retard" as well as promoting offensive treatment against mentally retarded people. What they seem to forget is that this was a parody of Hollywood's exploitation of the mentally retarded as Oscar Bait.
- In context, Marx's "Opium of the people" line is actually a condemnation of anti-religious movements, not religion — its criticism of religion is limited to characterizing it as a treatment for the world's ills, not a cure; meanwhile, it characterizes the removal of religion without first curing the root problems that make it necessary as hurtful. One need only look to the world's Communist states to see how well that was understood.
- And Nietzsche's "God is dead" is likewise a condemnation not of religion but of unthinking atheism that simply dismisses God as a mistaken notion, rather than acknowledging the purpose God serves in society and making a positive rejection of it. The following lines acknowledge killing the idea of God as "a great act", but then wonders if those who did it are strong enough to take it.
- Huckleberry Finn, one of the most frequently banned books in the USA, due to its being viewed as racist. In fact, Mark Twain was a committed Southern abolitionist, anti-racist, supporting Jews' and blacks' civil rights when it was not done. Huckleberry Finn shows the Old South racism and denounces it, as everyone understood when it came out. Use of the n-word is what seems to offend the most, but this was commonly used then and necessary anyway to show the racism. In addition, the fugitive slave Jim is likely the most decent person in the book, and black characters are portrayed well, a rarity in those days. Huckleberry Finn was ahead of its time and should be praised.
- If someone uses the phrase "Good fences make good neighbors" as a defense of isolationism, citing Robert Frost, they should be hit soundly with a copy of his complete works. "Good fences make good neighbors" is the attitude the poem sets out to debunk:
Here where it is we do not need the wall:He is all pine and I am apple orchard.My apple trees will never get acrossAnd eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors'.
- Here's a double irony for you: The stone walls that Frost repaired weren't intended to be boundaries in the first place. They were simply the incidental result of many generations spent clearing rocks from the fields! And of course good fences do make good neighbors in the sense that Frost and his neighbor had to work together in order to maintain the wall, so it's ironic on yet another level as well.
- Similarly, Frost's poem ending "I took the road less traveled by/And that has made all the difference" is meant to mock the narrator's indecision over a trivial choice—not, as many people think, to encourage readers to follow less-trodden paths in life.
- During his confirmation hearings, future Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas cited William Shakespeare:
- Who steals my purse steals trash; ’t is something, nothing;
’T was mine, ’t is his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him
And makes me poor indeed.
- He conveniently left out the fact that these lines were spoken by Iago, one of the greatest villains and deceivers in all of literature, and didn't mention that Iago made another speech, making the exact opposite point, to another character.
- Not really missing the point, though. Iago made two contradictory speeches; an individual can choose to agree with either one. It's still a good statement even if the character was a liar.
- In the vein of Shakespeare, comparing characters to Romeo and Juliet most definitely does not indicate the depth of their love. About 5 minutes before Romeo and Juliet met, Romeo was pining after another girl with equal fervor. The pair knew absolutely nothing about each other, and they ended up killing themselves because of a failure of the postal service. They're sort of a Anti-Role Model couple.
- The movie musical adaption of Reefer Madness for a nice skewering of this trope; Jimmy and Mary blissfully sing how their love makes them 'just like Romeo and Juliet- happy, young, and bubbling with love', while a man dressed as Shakespeare looks in with extreme frustration in the background and tries to derail their glorification of Romeo and Juliet's romance. In fact, the song makes it clear they haven't read the end of the play, and think it has a happy ending. When Mary gets shot, she asks Jimmy if the play ends happily. Jimmy tells her it does so that she can die happy, although it's clear he knows better.
- A few examples regarding J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter:
- The sheer amount of fanfics that has Hermione discovering that she was a pureblood taken in by muggle parents seem to miss the complete point that J.K Rowling put out that magical talent doesn't rely on having the right "Genetic makeup".
- At the height of the Harry Potter craze, an article in The Onion parodied religious paranoia by having J.K. Rowling denounce Christianity and admit to worshipping Satan. Many Christians, not grasping the humour, quoted the "news article" as evidence of their position. No, really.
- Mad-Eye Moody's behaviour in Order of the Phoenix brought some complaints. According to some, he was behaving too much like Barty Crouch Junior did while disguised as him throughout the last book, and this was wrong because the last book never featured the "real" Moody. Apparently they completely missed that Barty Crouch was behaving the way Moody usually behaves, because, you know, he was pretending to be him.
- This editor once encountered a quote denouncing the revelation that Dumbledore was gay by saying "...And then his lover died, and that's why he turned evil, or something like that, I don't read that Satanic garbage!" A blatant example of Did Not Do The Research and because Dumbledore is one of the good guys.
- Similiarly, a lot of the evidence that Harry Potter is a bad influence consists of Voldemort quotes, taken out of context. Voldemort is the bad guy, and the reader is not encouraged to side with him.
- J.K. Rowling herself has been criticized for missing the point of Lolita, which she called a "great and tragic love story" during one interview.
- A weird Life Imitates Art example: In The Catcher In The Rye, the protagonist is furious when he discovers that someone has scrawled the word "fuck" where children can see it. So were the Moral Guardians who banned the book.
- Similarly, didn't the same thing happen to To Kill A Mockingbird? It was banned because it was considered a racist book, even though one of the morals of the book is that one shouldn't be racist.
- The film, The Lake House?, mentions Jane Austen's book Persuasion in a desperate effort of intertexual referencing, but describes it as a book about waiting (i.e. in this case waiting to be with your beloved as time and space realigns itself). However, as the heroine of Persuasion dumps the hero, gets on with her life (as much as a Regency lady can) and then falls in love again eight years later, it is about quite the opposite. She missed her chance; she's not waiting. Austen herself dedicates her book "to all women who had lost their chance in life and would never enjoy a second spring."
- Some years ago the BBC broadcast Apocalypse Now, showing all the gorn, but cutting the line: 'We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene!'. The Radio Times - a TV scheduling magazine aimed at a family audience - avoided this, by quoting the line in full in a reader's letter complaining about the cut.
- Ronald Reagan's 1984 campaign using Born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen. At first glance it seems perfect patriotic song, unless of course you listen to the lyrics which tells the story of man being beaten down by The Man. Or to put it another way as it was his second term, him.
- The BBC coverage of the moon landing had Space Oddity by David Bowie within it. Putting aside the incorrect terminology the song did end with the impression something had gone wrong and we had lost Major Tom, this was before they had landed.
- In a Oatmeal Raisin Crisp Commercial they used the song Look What They've Done to my Song, Ma by Melanie Safka changing "Song, Ma" to "Oatmeal" (seamless i know). The problem being that the song is in protest about people mucking around with her songs.
- A lot of people, and I mean A LOT of people know of Green Day's song Good Riddance, although most people know it under the title of Time Of Your Life. It gets used at graduations for high school and such because well, hey, it's talking about a fork in the road of life and making decisions about what to do and stuff right? It's about a messy breakup.
- The creators of FATAL took a review to task for reviewing a version that required 80 percentile dice rolls to create a single character. In the new version, they explained, the glaring problem with that had been fixed: now, statting required 200 percentile rolls, which led to a greatly improved binomial distribution. The fact that both of these alternatives are an utterly ludicrous number of rolls needed before even starting the game was apparently not an issue.
- The FATAL guys objected to a review calling it "the date rape RPG", claiming there's nothing about dating in it.
- Which one? There's the blood of carnage, the god of plague, the god of lust and the god of magic.
- Most likely Zuvassin, although he's more of a god of nihilism. There are other minor chaos gods that are almost never mentioned at all, such as Malal, Chaos God of Chaos turning against itself.
- Necoho is the minor Chaos God of Atheism; Zuvassin is the God of failed plans, as in "causing them to".
- I thought Necoho gained power by people worshiping no God, thereby unknowingly worshiping him.
- If you attempt to buy the WiiWare game Star Soldier R, you are treated to a warning screen. Is it about seizures or violent content? No. It's warns you about the length of the game and the purpose of it, and for good reason: it's a short game that only offers 2-minute, 5-minute and quick shot modes, and the objective of the game is to score as many points as possible, rather than to beat it. People who don't play for score would otherwise buy the game expecting a full game, only to throw their Wiis out the window after five minutes.
- Perhaps games should do that more often. It's annoying how many times I see a reviewer or player utterly missing the point of a game and dissing it based on their misconceptions. Ditto movies.
- IGN's initial review for the video game Football Manager 2009 basically consisted of the reviewer complaining that the game, which was designed to be a simulation of the management aspects of a soccer team, was boring and had no actual sports play. The internet reaction was full of ridicule for a man who obviously went in expecting a FIFA title, and IGN ended up pulling the review in embarrassment.
- A local newspaper was complaining about Kung Fu Panda and how it bashes hard work. The whole point of the movie was how there isn't any magic secret to becoming a great warrior, the only way is to train.
- And in a similar vein, a review this editor read went on about how much of a Broken Aesop the film taught through Po's Be Yourself lesson—to paraphrase, that 'it's okay to be big, fat, and out of shape, even though it's unhealthy and repulsive, as long as you're a hero.' Note the last phrase which they didn't even pay attention to: the point isn't that Po is a big, fat panda, it's that he's a hero. The Be Yourself lesson was merely stating that no matter what you are, you can still be a hero if you try hard and apply yourself.
- It is kind of a Broken Aesop, though. A fat, out of shape novice works hard for a week and surpasses the abilities of the five most highly trained warriors in the country who've been working hard since childhood? And the moral is supposed to be "hard work brings success"? More like "there's no magic secret to success, you just have to be born with natural talent".
- Actually if you take into account the feats Po pulled off before the training when trying to get food he must have been doing stuff like that for a long time. So maybe he had been 'training' his whole life without realizing it.
- "Secrets of the Furious Five" shows that Viper and Crane both did something like this, Viper from dancing and Crane from being a janitor.
- South Park The Movie was about people's overreaction to profanity, resulting in a brutally violent war with Canada. The main controversy about the movie? Strangely enough, the profanity.
- This troper knows at least one Canadian who was upset by "Blame Canada." "You do realize these aren't the good guys, right?"
- Another example would be the Canada on Strike episode. It was basically a thinly veiled insult at the Writers' Guild of America, for striking for not getting money fof putting things on the internet, despite it actually being about not getting any money for things they wrote that were being distributed on the internet.
- Cartoon Allstars To The Rescue . Actually an anti-drug special. But, to quote the Nostalgia Critic:
NC: So, what message are children supossed to get from this special? That, if they smoke weed, all their favorite cartoon characters will appear?
- The original concept for Disney's "Snow White's Scary Adventures" was that the riders were seeing things through Snow White's eyes, which is why she did not appear in the ride's initial incarnation. She was later added after numerous patrons wondered where she was (to say nothing of all the children who—surprise!—found being menaced by an evil witch completely traumatizing).
- Humor columnist Dave Barry often uses completely (and intentionally) false facts in his columns. He also occasionally prints outraged responses to said facts from people who think he genuinely believes what he writes.
- Humor internet sites are similarly plagued. This reader of Cracked.com stopped reading the article comments, sick of the deadly-serious and even angry criticisms an article's opinions or "facts." You'd think that a tagline reading "America's Only Humor and Video Site Since 1958" should be a clue that nothing there is to be taken seriously, but apparently that's too subtle for the average internet surfer.
- This contributor has tried checking out other wikis for things like 8-bit Theater or Yugioh The Abridged Series character sheets, expecting some good chuckles provided by other fans. What he saw instead were depressingly serious, agonizingly detailed descriptions and analyses, struggling mightily to explain away plot holes and inconsistencies, and basically disregarding the fact that the source material is parody.
- One of Stalin's most famous lines, "The Pope? How many divisions has he?" is frequently used by people to indicate Stalin's foolish dismissal of the Pope, and religion in general. In fact, it was a response to Churchill's comment shortly after the UN was formed, and was, if not a genuine question, certainly not the "stupid Communist underestimating religion" comment most people take it for. Compare to the Marx quote earlier on the page.
- The Anti-Spore blog ran for a couple months, and every entry was filled with, well, anti-Spore rantings of a fundamentalist Christian bent. Then, in its final entry, it "quotes" the following lines from Genesis:
21. The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: "Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never gonna give you up.22. Never gonna let you down.23. Never gonna run around and desert you.24. Never gonna make you cry.25. Never gonna say goodbye.26. Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.27. Never truly believe anything you read on the Internet. There will always be cases of Poe’s Law.
- Of the several thousand responses, maybe 10% caught on that it was an elaborate Rick Roll; the rest either continued arguing against the author's supposed fundamentalism, or told him he got the Bible verses wrong.
Ethereal Mutation: Some more cut meta-examples for the pile.
- Wuthering Heights is about how being with the "bad boy" is a horrible idea. This was the reading intended by the author, and (when she first published it, under a male pseudonym) was also the most commonly accepted one. After Bronte came out as a woman, everyone managed to completely miss the point and decided it was a passionate and noble love affair.
- This misconception has become even more widespread recently, as Stephanie Meyer, author of Twilight, has repeatedly drawn connections between Heathcliff/Catherine and Edward/Bella within the text of the later books. She somehow managed to miss the part where Heathcliff ran away because Catherine made eyes at someone else, then came back and set about systematically destroying the lives of everyone around him because he couldn't hook up with his childhood sweetheart.
- Huckleberry Finn, one of the most banned books in American history. It's felt to be racist as the N-word and racism feature, while in truth Mark Twain was attempting to show just how bad things were in the old South. A reader can see it's a subversion, as Jim, the fugitive slave, is among the best people in the book. The rest was authentic language and racist attitudes, not intented to offend. Mark Twain was in fact a Southern abolitionist who opposed racism (quite an odd duck in the 1800s.)
- The Great Gatsby : Such as when urban adolescents are inspired to pursue their dreams from it. The underlying sentiment is benign, but considering how the book is more about the American dream's degeneration, the ultimate frivolity of money and power, and Gasby's real reason for being a self-made man turning out to not be worth it at all...
- A number of quotes at Overheard demonstrate the phenomenon, this being one.
- A few years back, there was a major controversy when Charles Barkley did a Nike ad where he declared, "I am not a role model. I'm not paid to be a role model. I'm paid to go on the court and wreak havoc." Apparently everyone who railed against Barkley skipped the second half of the ad: "Parents should be role models. I'm paid to pay basketball - not to raise your kids."
- The Latin American Animax TV channel included Speed Grapher in the "Lollipop" segment, which is dedicated to series with high doses of female Fanservice. Considering that Speed Grapher actually deconstructs the concept of sexual liberty... huh.
- Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn escaped the then-USSR and had his works smuggled out with the assistance of anti-Communist Americans. While Solzhenitsyn did repent of his earlier Marxism, he remained a socialist and generally opposed to the excesses of capitalism.
Nezumi: Erm... should the Neverwhere example go under Literature or Live Action TV? It's better-known as a novel, but it was originally a miniseries, and the scene in question appears there as well.
Zeppelin: Deleted:
- Sartre missies the point of his own essay Existentialism. He often talks about how all truth is subjective in one section and how existentialists want to show everyone the objective truth in the next.
kvschwartz: Maybe I'm the one Completely Missing The Point, but it seems to me there's a problem, as is, with the Completely Missing The Point trope. The page explicitly states "Please note that this is not about meta-examples. You can find that at Misaimed Fandom." (Based on the context, in this case "meta" seems to have been assigned the meaning "Real Life, as opposed to in-universe." That seems precisely backward. But that's not my main issue at this moment.)
Yet if you do continue to Misaimed Fandom, you'll find Completely Missing The Point listed as a subtrope of Misaimed Fandom. As the saying goes, one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing. Or, to put it another way, one hand is Completely Missing The Point — but evidently not Completely Missing The Point — of the other.
Meanwhile, many of the citations for Completely Missing The Point scatted about This Wiki are indeed Real Life examples — comments about fans or critics who missed (or allegedly missed) the point of a given work. And so far as I know, there's no easy way to correct this, in that there does not seem to be any umbrella trope for Completely-Missing-The-Point-except-in-Real-Life.
Perhaps you suggest Fan Dumb? Or Misaimed Fandom? But a critic (for example) is not necessarily a fan. Hate Dumb? A critic is not necessary part of the hatedom either.
My suggestion, for what it's worth: either scrap the rule about excluding Real Life (if that is indeed what was meant by "meta") or else split the trope in two: one for in-universe examples (as is) and another for Real Life examples. The latter would, naturally, overlap with Fan Dumb, Misaimed Fandom, etc. — but it would not be identical to any of them.
Addendum: As long as I'm here, I might as well officially suggest changing "meta" to "Real Life" — unless something else was meant.
