Reviews Fanfic / To Trope Or Not To Trope

He even said the video was faked.

Lord YAM, I\'m not sure what struck me as more ridiculous, the idea that Peter, who pretty much worships Tony, wants nothing to do with him (and insists Tony blackmailed him into helping in Berlin) or the idea that JARVIS doesn\'t like Tony.

He did kind of agree to tell Aunt May but that was to get him to hear him out. Wanda regrets her actions as well.

He also blew up when I said that Peter was irresponsible and that was why Tony yelled. I\'m sorry but if you do what peter did you deserve to get yelled at

It was but in peter’s defense, it was only after Tony made little effort to appear that he was taken peter’s concerns seriously, he was blowing off peter’s repeated messages and didn’t let him know that he is letting the proper authorities know about the vulture and the weapons, Tony left him with a middle man who didn’t like his position as peter’s liaison or didn’t really take it seriously enough, Tony’s mentoring after; having him fight as his backup in fight he should not have been in; was pretty dismissive and basically just let him on his way telling him to let other people handle the other people know and stay close to the ground, as far as peter could tell Tony was blowing off his concerns and felt that he had to investigate it himself. It was reckless and peter did deserve chewed out but it was not entirely his fault

Lets be fair with Tony here. He lacked a good father figure that would have worked as a guide on how to be a good father figure/mentor. He was treating Peter the same way his father treated him. Of course he will commit mistakes.

See what you mean even if I don’t think that it justifies how he treated peter

IMO, the series is a fair response to the Pro-Tony stories. It\'s basically a mirror to them, just as they mangle everyone else to bash Steve, so does this series mangle everyone to bash Tony.

It\'s not about being canon-compliant or meeting some imaginary standards, it\'s catharsis, pure catharsis, for the way that Steve and Team Cap have been treated over the last four years by the very large, very vocal, Team Iron Man fandom.

No it’s a shit response. A more measured one that acknowledges both sides is better

Sorry was scrolling down and accidentally hit spot comment which sent a blank one and this is me editing it

A more measured one that acknowledges both sides? Try telling that to all the pro Tony authors who have stories with pages on this very wiki? The way I see it those are the people who started this flame war, the author of this story is just giving them a taste of their own medicine. I get your mileage will vary on this. If you\'re one of those people who thinks bashing is wrong no matter which side does it, of course you\'re gonna hate this thing, but as someone who has never watched an MCU movie, and hates the Tony Stark of the comics for his actions in Civil War, there NEEDS to be more fics like this.

Well, as someone who has been absolutely mystified by this entire thing ever since these reviews started popping up in the latest reviews tabs, I can only say that two wrongs don’t make a right, and that just being angry about people who are writing stuff that’s just as bad as yours doesn’t actually make your thing good or shine any glory at all onto your point.

55, I hated Tony in the Civil War comics. Very much pro-Cap in the comics. On the other hand, the movie handles things very differently. Rather than \"Make sure everyone knows every hero\'s identity and immediately arrest people the very second it goes into effect\" the whole thing was more along the lines of \"Heroes show up without warning, shit gets wrecked, then they just leave. Let\'s stop that.\" Of course, the real thing is we never SEE the accords in action beyond one brief scene where Thaddeus Ross tries to have Team Cap arrested in Infinity War. Granted, he pulls all kinds of shit in the Civil War movie, but as even Pro Tony stories cover, the shit Thaddeus pulled is hella illegal and outside his jurisdiction anyway.

What we otherwise see, is everyone just acting like the Accords didn\'t happen. Peter keeps spider-manning. Black Panther wrecks some shit in Busan without anyone caring. Ant-man only gets in trouble for violating his house arrest. Most mention the Accords really get after CW is Hope stating her and Hank have been on the run due to Scott\'s actions but that brief line is all the attention the Accords (or Scott\'s actions in CW) get. That bit confused me. Whether you\'re for or against the accords, I imagine you\'d be a wee bit angry with someone for making you have to go on the run from the FBI

If two wrongs don\'t make a right, then where\'s all the negative reviews to this story?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/SecondChancesSeries

Dead link. This should work Second Chances Series|

I kinda remember that story. Didn\'t care for it all that much overall. Best bit was the idea of everyone requiring therapy. Cuz they fuckin do

It doesn’t work and the accords are directly mentioned in ant man and are brought up witht he committee in infinity war

I dunno. Maybe that story\'s profile is lower? But you coulda gone there and written a negative review criticizing it for being juvenile folly, and that would\'ve been better than coming here and insisting this story is good just because other stories are bad.

I\'m not gonna review something I didn\'t actually read. That is the height of dishonesty. I actually read to Trope or Not to Trope, and it is a very good argument against the character of Tony Stark putting him on a metaphorical trial for his actions in the MCU.

No it isn\'t Gibbs distorts what happens. Tony lashing out in Civil War wasn\'t the act of a psycho. He only yells at Peter when he nearly gets people killed via his reckless stupidity.

Again. The story is utter dogshit

Think about how many reviews and comments were posted here after YAM made his review first. That\'s all you need to start a controversial discussion. If someone thinks Second Chances Series needs a critical review on this site, they need to do it themselves.

Why doesn’t second chances link work

I\'d also like to point out the person who wrote the original review was nowhere near as hostile, angry, or spiteful when reviewing this Anti-Steve fic. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/TheDaysOfReckoningAreUponUs which just goes to show how massive a hypocrite they really are and that they shouldn\'t be listened to at all.

@55Revolver: Oh, I don\'t know, maybe that happened because he didn\'t found it as offensive and/or terrible as this one? Just a suggestion. Simply because somebody writes an overly negative review on an specific product doesn\'t meant that they have to be as negative in all reviews, you are quite literally jumping to an extreme.

Besides, another reason that may have soared Sinful\'s opinion on this fic may have been its writer, after all, he does state that the writer has been offensive to others. If the writer of that anti-Steve wasn\'t as offensive as the writer of this one then is understandable that Sinful wont react as badly to said fic.

I\'m sorry. I just had an epithany, and realized I was acting like a jackass. I took you guy\'s discomfort with this fic, measured it against your aparant lack of response to a similar fic, and made judgements about your characters. That\'s unfair, and I went too far.

@55Revolver, apology accepted, it happens.

The reason I\'m not as harsh on \"The Days of Reckoning are Upon Us\" is multifold. First, I am Team Iron Man so I\'m definitely biased. Second, as I mention in that review, some of the prompts are plausible to the MCU. Less than half of them certainly, but some. Ultron becoming a good guy? Nope, never. Tony responding to the \"Big man in a suit of armor. Take that away and what are you?\" by pointing out he\'s the man who made said armor and would simply make another while declaring that without the serum, Steve would just be an asthmatic weakling unable to do anything? Hell yeah, I could see that. Finally, most of them aren\'t strictly anti-Steve. Or rather, they don\'t say \"Absolutely everything is Steve\'s fault\". Sometimes he\'s misguided or it\'s someone else\'s fault (whether entirely their fault or partially). For example, the three different prompts where either Sam or Sharon are HYDRA and Steve\'s problem was trusting the wrong people. I managed to thoroughly read about half of \"To Trope Or Not To Trope\" (skimmed the rest) and everything was always 100% Tony\'s fault and he got no sympathy from anyone unless he accepted that. Tony\'s a coward and evil and yadda yadda. Yet, everyone forgives him if he just says he\'s sorry. I\'d actually find the whole thing more believable if he wasn\'t forgiven because holding grudges is a human thing to do. By making everyone else so magnanimous, it just makes everyone look worse.

I’m harsher on stuff like days fo reckoning because they do seem to make every action and sentenced uttered by Steve scrutinised, especially egrious as Steve is actually usually polite and most his rants against tony are in response to things tony said and one, like deciding to try and prod Bruce despite knowing what he turns into

I get your points about how this fic seems to make everything Tony’s fault but team iron man seems to put him on an above undeserved pedestal

I\'m reasonably sure (though not certain) that prodding Bruce is basically a reassurance of \"I\'m not afraid of you\", particularly since earlier Natasha instinctively went for a weapon when Bruce slammed his hands on the table.

Still feels like a stupid move since he couldn’t be certain what could be enough to trigger the hulk

The literal point of trust is that you aren\'t certain but you\'re having faith in someone else. So yes, he \"couldn\'t be certain it wouldn\'t trigger the Hulk\" and that was the point. That\'s Tony saying \"I\'m willing to trust in you and your self control rather than believe you\'re one harsh word from deleting a city.\"