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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
Dec 6th 2016 at 7:44:23 AM •••

Could we remove the Narm entry about Emiko Queen? Aside from needlessly bringing up another website, it's clearly attempting to make a dig at the author of Green Arrow Rebirth.

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Klaudandus Since: Oct, 2009
Dec 6th 2016 at 8:03:01 AM •••

it -is- narmy

And there is always someone who will take it upon himself. Always. Always. Always. I have become evil, but once I, too, was good...
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
Dec 6th 2016 at 3:34:24 PM •••

Whether it's narmy or not, it should at least be edited so it doesn't look like the site is insulting Tumblr or Ben Percy. It's not very professional. The bit about the author "wanting it to trend on tumblr" is making an assumption and very clearly shows a bias against another website that never needed to be mentioned in the first place.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
Dec 24th 2016 at 9:15:50 AM •••

Okay, I'm going to be making another post here because this is getting out of hand. Not every instance of openly feminist characters mentioning feminist ideas is narm. In fact, I don't think any of the entries under narm are appropriate.

Klaudandus Since: Oct, 2009
Dec 24th 2016 at 12:04:50 PM •••

isn't that why it's under YMMV, because people might disagree?

And there is always someone who will take it upon himself. Always. Always. Always. I have become evil, but once I, too, was good...
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
Dec 24th 2016 at 3:34:24 PM •••

Yes, but they don't fit with Narm. It's not the right trope. If you put Green Arrow calling himself a Social Justice Warrior while jumping off a building under narm, that'd make sense. Or if you put the new series' trend towards social justice topics under base breaker. But the characters mentioning objectification and mansplaining aren't really narm.

Klaudandus Since: Oct, 2009
Dec 24th 2016 at 4:44:24 PM •••

The delivery itself is the narm.

Been reading Green Arrow since the Mike Grell Days, and since then both Ollie and Dinah have been progressive, tackling things like inner city violence, racism, slave/sex trade, rape, mental illness, HIV, drugs, et al. He was a social justice warrior in comics before many millennials were even born.

The story by Ben Percy is fine, it's the line delivery that causes people to roll their eyes.

And there is always someone who will take it upon himself. Always. Always. Always. I have become evil, but once I, too, was good...
Klaudandus Since: Oct, 2009
Dec 31st 2016 at 8:50:40 AM •••

smokeycut — how bout this? we remove the actual lines and just leave it at Price's lines being narmy at times?

That said, I'd like to mention that to some people, the lines sound forced enough as to wanting them to trend on social media.

Remove the actual lines but leave why some people don't like them? It sounds like a compromise to me?

And there is always someone who will take it upon himself. Always. Always. Always. I have become evil, but once I, too, was good...
XSpectreGreyX Since: May, 2012
Jan 8th 2017 at 4:18:53 AM •••

It's about the delivery of the topic and how it comes off as narm, not just the subject matter. Like how Emiko's dialogue about objectification felt forced, or how Black Canary randomly brings up mansplaining ; it's nothing against the subjects themselves, just how they're awkwardly inserted into dialogue.

"There's a fine line between not listening and not caring. I like to think I walk that line everyday."
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
Jan 10th 2017 at 2:16:52 PM •••

Klaudandus, that's fine with me. Seems like a good compromise.

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