Discussion YMMV / FireEmblemRadiantDawn

I presented evidence that the Fire Emblem community no longer considers Sothe to be a bad unit, showing in fact it's prevailing opinion now that is he one of the best in the game for his overall contribution, and you haven't presented any such evidence contrary to it. It's not a case of "some do, some don't". Please present any evidence yourself that Sothe being a bad unit and being hated for it is anything more than a fringe view nowadays.

I don't think you understand what the point made by other people was. The point was that his usefulness has been a debate. Its getting ridicules for how you aren't listening to anyone's points.

And proof? Alright, heres this, and this overview of his usefulness and how after part 1 he drops off.How about this where they give him high scores but then outright say he is bad later on? Or what about two popular youtubers you referenced where they talk about how after part 1 he Can't Catch Up? They all talk about how usefulness in part 1 and barely 3/4 as well, because they all agree "Yeah he isn't good after part 1".

The point I'm making is that it exists. And before you say "it was in the past", that doesn't matter. Mentioning his usefulness in part 1 and how he can help is fine, but he has issues that are a case of polarizing opinions on. You cannot say that the ENTIRE community has changed their views, that is impossible to say. Moving this to Base-Breaking Character was a good choice because it is a polarizing topic and this allows us to document this was a debate. I don't know what else can be said because despite everything, you continue to tell others how they are supposed to feel instead of actually contributing.

Edit: The links aren't working probably, not sure why.

None of your links are working, and the argument never was that he didn't become bad in Part 4, the argument is that his contributions in Parts 1 and 3 way outweigh what the vast majority of the cast can do for you in the entire game, so people generally don't begrudge him anymore like they used to for how much he falls off in Part 4, and so he has been consistently getting ranked as a high or top tier character for his overall contribution for years now. Plus as is, most units are bad at some point, whether it be when they start out, in an awkward middle period where there's a spike in enemy quality and they're stuck underlevelled or unable to promote, or at the end of the game when stat and class limitations hold them back, Sothe isn't unique in this regard for being bad for one part of the game (and realizing this is a big part of why Jagens like Sothe became a lot more popular and highly regarded within the community). How can one still be considered a "low tier scrappy" if they keep getting ranked so highly and he doesn't really get hate anymore for his Part 4 performance?

"You cannot say that the ENTIRE community has changed their views, that is impossible to say."

It's not a matter of "absolutely everyone has to agree", or else you could claim whatever you want on these pages without contention and fill it up with pointless bloat (e.g. the Fiona example I gave on the prior page), showing that a majority shares a view is enough, and showing community tier lists is about as strong as evidence you can show for what a majority thinks of a unit's overall performance.

I don't know what else to say so I'm going to refrain for now. I've already said he fits better as a Base-Breaking Character for his usefulness. You don't seen willing to agree to anything people have suggested and I've said all I can about how best to approach this issue.

You haven't proved anything except that yes, some people to find Sothe more useful. It isn't a simple case of "He used to be hated but now is loved", there is still clearly contenion about how useful he is and most of it is "He is useful for part 1 and beyond that isn't as useful". The extent of which after is subjective and I agree that he has uses. You just aren't willing to engage and listen so I'm going to step away from this because your frustrating me.

And I know the links don't work, I tried to fix them but I could not.

For what it's worth, looking at both your arguments and reading keyblade's proposed neutral wording in the topic, I agree with him and disagree with you, Slimeshady. You are coming across as the unreasonable party who is insisting on getting their way even when literally every other person in the conversation disagrees with you. That's against the spirit of wiki editing.

I brought this up on the forum for fire emblem and some thoughts were shared about it. I recommend reading them.

Some mentioned that there is a Both for Tier Induced Scrappy, which is a valid point. I don't know if that fits as well compared to Base-Breaking Character, but things to keep in mind are that this is not including things like speedruns or LTC runs, so that needs to be included.

Edit: Seriously what is going on with links? Am I doing something wrong?

No, if it’s the same thing that happens with the links in comments pages and things.

We've reached a consensus based on the people that weighed in on the ATT, this discussion page, and the Fire Emblem thread, so I'd say go ahead with the Base-Breaking Character entry and remove the Tier Induced Scrappy entry for Sothe.

EDIT: Alright, I've gone ahead and edited things based on what's been agreed on and said. I tried my hardest to keep it neutral and weigh both opinions on the subject matter.