1. About "Death" and related deities: Normally, I would agree with you on positing they might be different sources of Death-based powers... but one fact makes me lean really far into them sharing a common origin: Prince of Death's Staff.
The Staff is derived from Godwyn's power, borne from his half of the Cursemark of Death. This Cursemark in turn was a portion of the Rune of Death which Ranni stole from Maliketh's Black Blade. The Rune of Death itself in turn was also called Destined Death (Enia's words), and though she claimed it was plucked out of Golden Order since its creation, every other descriptions claim it once belonged to the Gloam-Eyed Queen before Maliketh defeated her.
In short, Godwyn's power is quite explicitly descended from Destined Death. This much is factual, no ifs or buts.
The staff buffs all Death Sorceries. Both Fia's Mist - which she learned from Godwyn - and Ghostflame Sorceries, which the Death Rite Birds use. Given Fromsoft did not change this even after several patches, and how Gameplay and Story Integration is often in full effect for most of Fromsoft's games, it's all but outright stated that they share a common origin.
The fact the Eclipse Greatshield could ward off Destined Death can be easily explained as one source counteracting itself; it is not without precedent as Radahn learned the gravity powers of the star spawns to block off more falling stars from landing onto the Lands Between. It is, unfortunately, no proof or indication that they are different powers competing.
As for Godskin Incantantions being purely Faith based while Death Sorceries involve Intelligence in addition to Faith, it is important to note Greater Will and Golden Order also have this: most Two Fingers and Erdtree Incantations are purely Faith based while Golden Order Fundamentalism also utilize Intelligence, yet all three are unambigiously derived from Greater Will. In short, Godskin Incantations being styled differently from Death Sorceries do not prove they are different.
2. About Unalloyed Gold: While it is true Miquella's Unalloyed Gold is never even mentioned or found inside Farum Azula, the fact remains that the Dragonlord's chamber is able to channel its power, enough to outright purge the influence of Frenzied Flame from the Tarnished.
While the nature of the connection, and how much they are connected, are impossible to determine due to lack of information, it is undeniable a connection exists.
Combined with the other story breadcrumbs we have about outer gods (most prominently, as far as we know every power which can counteract an outer god is almost always born from an outer god), we can reasonably conclude the unalloyed gold is derived from the god whom the dragons used to serve, and this god is an outer god.
Of course, whether or not the conclusion is 100% certain is impossible to determine. We know almost nothing about the god whom Placidusax waited for; it's one of the reasons why another troper proposed the page for Outer Gods should have been "Divine Beings" so it is less speculative and less spoilery (the existence of Outer Gods in this setting can be considered massive spoilers, after all). But alas, the page has been made and I don't know how to delete a page and create a new one in its place.
Overall, I will acknowledge your doubts about point 2, but if within 1 hour you can't provide a more convincing argument or a lore detail which suggests Deathbird's outer god being distinct with Destined Death, I will undo your edits in this page, the secondary characters page, and the enemies and bosses page.
Edited by Cryocene Don't worry about things. Life is cheap.I would like to add an Awesome Music category for this game to honor the excellent soundtrack, but the page doesn't allow me to. Does it have to be voted in first?
Good lord, how many endings are there in this game? Actually, how many versions are there for the Elden Lord ending do you think?
Hide / Show RepliesIf I have to estimate? At least 8 endings. As for Elden Lord ending variants... I’d say 5, one for each Tarnished mentioned in the opening scene.
Don't worry about things. Life is cheap.Is the current page image just a fan edit of this?
I'm pretty sure fan edits/fanart of work page images are not allowed. Regardless, both images, frankly, suck, and don't actually show the concept of the game at all; it could be from any Dark Souls game. I'm putting the official cover art back.
I would like to have the connection between Deathroot/TWLID, Deathbirds, and Godskin made more to be speculative instead of a 'truth' since their lore ties are sketchier than most. Each of them have very different aesthetics and theming to them. Deathroot's deathflame does holy and inflicts blight, has a Marine and tree theming to their stuff. Deathbirds has ghostflame that does magic and inflicts frost, birds being their symbolic animal. The godskins... everything don't even have similar ties to all three—God-hunting, Skinning, blackflame being an incantation with pure faith, they have *slight* ties with snakes/serpents but otherwise are more, well, skin-based.
Furthermore, the eclipse crest greatshield specifically says that it's to ward off destined death. Casting doubt if it's coming from the same source or even being two, competing, versions of Death
I also have some major doubts about the god of the dragons, especially since the entry puts more weight into unalloyed gold being it's 'element' when that it's something that's been 'made' to tie into Miquella specifically and has no presence in Farum Azula itself.
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