The show is set in the same continuity of the games, so should Robert House be said to be a case of Adaptational Villainy or a case of Evil All Along? Same goes for other differences between the show and games
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House wasn't exactly a good guy to begin with. Even if he was told the plan, he was already suspecting the world was about the end anyway. Perhaps he just presumed it would end before Vault-Tec could finish their prep for the plan. Notice how he doesn't suggest any Vault Experiments. He's just there as a shareholder, but he seems mostly disinterested in everything. If anything, this meeting is just confirming what he already believes at this point. By now he's already commissioned the Platinum Chip and is making his own preparations to protect Vegas. If anything, Vault-Tec admitting their own plans will force him to accelerate his own in order to make sure he's not subordinate to them.
And let's not forget, the Enclave are the real power behind Vault-Tec, that's how the Deserter knew everything about Vault 33 and had the cold fusion tech in the first place. The Enclave are the power behind Vault-Tec ultimately. So regardless of anything else, House was just working within the society that had created the situation. What was he going to do in that moment? Declare he'd expose Vault-Tec? The Enclave would've killed him on the spot.
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Not at all the point of my question.
To use another example; Ghouls' appearance. Since they are set in the same continuity, would it be accurate to describe them as having undergone adaptational attractiveness, as opposed as a case of progressively prettier?
Your point was that the show had altered Robert House in a significant enough way that his characterization, motives and personality had been changed from morally grey to outright villain. I pointed out why, due to the lack of information, that wasn't entirely accurate as of this time. Since House hasn't really done anything that contradicts his personality or anything he says about himself in New Vegas.
Also, The Ghoul, while their makeup is not particularly as extreme as most Ghouls should be, is still plenty ugly looking.
No, I used that as an example, based on trope entries made by someone else.
Me: Should change X be Adaptational X, or something like Took a Level in X? You: No X has changed.
Hey, I have to ask... why are we making a lot of assumptions on the state of New Vegas based on a credits sequence that is mostly done for style and presentation than canon depictions of the locations themselves? From what I saw, there's no reason to assume that New Vegas has been abandoned just because the credit sequence shows some damage to the area and whatnot. Hell, we don't even know if the NCR is completely wiped out as a result of Shady Sands being lost. There were OTHER cities and while their HQ was destroyed, we don't get more information than that being one place of many. We know there were survivors of Shady Sands. Who is to say the Boneyard, Hub, Brahmin Barons and other townships did not survive in some fashion?
I'm not even saying these statements are wrong. I'm saying that we're making a lot of assumptions based on incomplete information at this time. It would probably be best to hedge bets here and write in quantifiers and additional adjectives as such. "It Appears that this has happened" or "It would seem this is what is presented" or "One could speculate the state of things is this" and so forth. Otherwise we might get additional information soon that might render a lot of this stuff inaccurate.
TL;DR - Maybe DON'T assume New Vegas has been abandoned because you don't see people in a credits sequence that never shows people in it to begin with.
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If you look closely there is definately a small village on the lower left side when we see New Vegas.
There were TONS of other towns, villages and settlements outside of New Vegas. That could be anywhere from Primm to Goodsprings or even a rebuilt Nipton. The fact people are THERE suggests New Vegas is not abandoned, as other townships exist around it.
Yeah, this page is definitely assuming far too much from far too little. The NCR has only lost one city and one battle as far as we've actually seen in the show, there's probably a lot more of them that just haven't been shown yet because they weren't relevant to the plot.
Exactly my point, we're making a lot of assumptions that the NCR are gone based on their capital city being gone. The Enclave should be wiped out on the West Coast, but there's apparently a whole compound where they breed attack dogs and stuff. We don't know everything about the state of the West Coast right now because it's not relevant to the story. And if any of it might spoil future plot points in upcoming seasons, we likely won't know. But I have to believe that, even if its not what it used to be, Bethesda wouldn't just kill off the NCR completely. If anything, they might be trying to lay the ground work for Fallout 5 in some fashion. You might just end up with a West Coast version of the Minutemen that need you to constantly help settlements to rebuild the Republic.
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Is it safe to assume that this series is set in the same continuum as the video games? If so, all the Mythology Gag entries on the main work page and the recap pages should be moved to Continuity Nod because in/out-continuum is the defining difference between the two tropes.
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