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Itsnouse19518505268 Since: Apr, 2024
Apr 20th 2024 at 4:05:10 AM •••

"Locke and Celes from Final Fantasy VI."

"Final Fantasy XVI has Clive and Jill."

HINTS, not official that those two couples are banging each other. Know the difference.

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9thOutworldsMan Since: Apr, 2015
Apr 20th 2024 at 1:13:47 PM •••

I'm not familiar with FF 6 and Locke and Celes, but Clive and Jill of FFXVI are definitely official and get a non-optional sexual encounter at some point.

Itsnouse19518505268 Since: Apr, 2024
Apr 21st 2024 at 8:53:21 AM •••

Oops, forgot about that. The ending however makes it seem like the opposite though.

9thOutworldsMan Since: Apr, 2015
Apr 21st 2024 at 7:18:52 PM •••

Well, iirc, Clive seemingly dies at the end, but he and Jill still count as official because they canonically got together before the end of his life.

WhiteWolf4961 Since: Apr, 2019
Apr 13th 2024 at 7:09:20 PM •••

With FF 7 Rebirth can I put that Cloud and Tifa are an official couple?

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MyFinalEdits (Ten years in the joint)
Apr 13th 2024 at 9:18:17 PM •••

I haven't played the game, but if it establishes that they begin a relationship, then go ahead.

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9thOutworldsMan Since: Apr, 2015
Apr 14th 2024 at 8:25:41 PM •••

With Rebirth, It's not official because the romance only happens in an optional event that gets no canonical acknowledgment for the rest of the game, and the devs even went out of their way to explain that romances in FF 7 Rebirth should be taken like a dating sim, meaning they don't leave any impact on the greater plot. Maybe they will become an official couple in the final entry, but Rebirth is not that game. If people wanna make Cloud and Tifa "official" just because of an optional scene, then that logic also applies to Cloud and Aerith. But that's not how the trope works.

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9thOutworldsMan Since: Apr, 2015
Oct 1st 2017 at 10:47:40 AM •••

That Ultimania guide has been used by rabid shippers time & time again, and they always use the same flawed arguments.

The guidebook mentions Cloud's childhood crush on Tifa. Shippers hyper-fixate on "crush" and ignore the adjectives that show his feelings weren't serious.

High Affection Highwind scene has quotes shippers interpret to be romantic, regardless it's still an optional scene that hasn't been dubbed "canon". Tifa's pages usually focus on the "romantic" version of the scene, but the same pages also stress that it is an OPTIONAL outcome, something that shippers tend to ignore.

Relying on guidebooks to determine a story's "canon" outcome is such a flawed method in itself, anyway. Written materials — e.g. tie-in stories, sequels, etc. — should be able to speak for themselves. For example, nobody can deny that Korra and Asami got together at the end of LoK Season 4 due to the creators not only making the outcome very clear in various interviews, but also by publishing the sequel comic Turf Wars which directly confirms it.

Square Enix, in contrast, has intentionally designed FF7's accompanying sequel, Advent Children along with Case of Tifa to portray Cloud's relationship with her as vague at best. Cloud especially remains cold and distant towards Tifa throughout CoT, making any shared "romantic" affections between the two of them entirely up to one's own personal interpretation.

That "list" of FF couples also includes Cloud and Aerith, btw. The only thing it really acknowledges is that both Aerith and Tifa are valid love interests of Cloud's, not who ends up with whom.

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