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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
Jul 17th 2022 at 6:54:45 PM •••

The EN branch, Tempus, was just revealed. Should we put their profiles here for the time being, or should being an English-focused group be worthy of their own page?

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kawaiineko333 Since: Nov, 2010
Jul 17th 2022 at 7:05:39 PM •••

They only just got revealed. I say wait until they’ve had their debuts, then make pages.

There are likely gonna be some comparisons to the Nijisanji EN guys as well.

Edited by kawaiineko333
Amonimus (Sergeant)
Jul 17th 2022 at 7:25:42 PM •••

I'd like to hold on for a while. 1. Making folders with no tropes is against the rules and I've learned my lesson to not rush with placeholder folders. Can't guarantee others won't do it first. 2. Cover insists on naming them Holostars English, meaning TEMPUS may be just one of the many in the future.

That being said, Sandbox is always free.

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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
Jul 17th 2022 at 7:41:10 PM •••

Yeah, I had no intention of jumping onto getting pages or folders out yet, but I felt this was worth asking.

WackyPancake Since: May, 2011
Jul 18th 2022 at 12:04:57 PM •••

I don't see why we should have to wait. Their lore, designs, and Twitter interactions are all tropable, and previous gens such as HoloX or Council had their folders added way before their debuts. I've been a little bold and added them. None of the folders are tropeless.

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
ButWhy Since: Jun, 2020
Jul 22nd 2022 at 8:48:38 PM •••

They've got enough tropes each, half of them debuted now, they were announced a week ago, and they're another branch of holostars, the same way ID and EN are other branches of hololive.

Let's put it this way: if hololive KR was announced tomorrow, they would without doubt get their own page the moment they're announced instead of being added onto the main branch's page. I don't see why we're making an exception here.

Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Jul 22nd 2022 at 8:55:57 PM •••

Holostars page is already chockers, I think it's fair enough to split them into JP and EN. Maybe the main Holostars page can be an index

WackyPancake Since: May, 2011
Jul 24th 2022 at 5:09:55 AM •••

I wouldn't be opposed to a split, especially as the TEMPUS folders will probably grow a lot.

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
Amonimus (Sergeant)
Jul 24th 2022 at 9:21:15 AM •••

The page is already at somewhere 200k bytes and will continue to grow. Plus Holostars EN is effectively own thing and likely to get new members in the future.

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Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Jul 24th 2022 at 2:33:04 PM •••

Might need to ask a mod for help with moving the page history though

AnoBakaDesu Since: Oct, 2013
Jul 25th 2022 at 5:40:03 PM •••

I'll go ahead with this simple split.

"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Jul 25th 2022 at 5:43:34 PM •••

Actually yea, go ahead. The page history will be preserved

AnoBakaDesu Since: Oct, 2013
Jul 25th 2022 at 5:44:40 PM •••

On second thought, I might want to separate the JP generations ahead of time.

"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Jul 25th 2022 at 6:03:36 PM •••

Maybe make Holostars it’s own line in the Nav box then, since it has multiple language branches now

AnoBakaDesu Since: Oct, 2013
Jul 25th 2022 at 9:07:27 PM •••

And done. In the future, I may want to revisit Hololive English into its own line in the navbox, and maybe cut the "Generation" word before Myth and Council since they're informally called generations by fans, but not by official announcements.

"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
AnoBakaDesu Since: Oct, 2013
Jul 25th 2022 at 9:15:26 AM •••

It seems that for Tempus, the naming convention stays the same both in English and Japanese with the exception of Vesper Noir, who introduces himself as such while keeping "Noir Vesper" in the profile.

Regis has no preference on which name he's referred to, and neither does Magni Dezmond (though there's a tendency for "Dez"). Axel is Axel.

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Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Jul 25th 2022 at 12:33:36 PM •••

Pretty much all of them other than Axel have said "call me whatever you like".

Magni Dezmond is the most inconsistent, still waiting for the majority to settle on a name

AnoBakaDesu Since: Oct, 2013
Jul 25th 2022 at 4:26:06 PM •••

With the second collab, they pretty much go by "Altare", "Dezmond", "Axel" and "Vesper", meaning that Axel is the only outlier to the JP-EN naming convention.

Edited by AnoBakaDesu "They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Jul 25th 2022 at 4:57:09 PM •••

Well I wouldnt say it’s necessarily about the naming order, and could be more about whether it’s Last-Name Basis. Dezmond and Altare seem to be their surnames.

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