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I highly disagree with the idea that this is an IdiotPlot and feel the entry should be removed. The thrust of the argument is that \"no one acts in an impersonal\" way. Not only is that unrealistic to ask of anyone, but it\'s also wrong. Vision is the Stoic of the situation (atleast in matters outside of Scarlet Witch), and both Rhodey and Wilson are both men of a similar background that debate the issue with no strongs attached. And while Tony and Steve can\'t necessarily be called objective, when the film begins and the accords are brought to them for the first time, that\'s about as impersonal as it\'s going to get. And guess what, they STILL weren\'t going anywhere because they fundamentally disagreed with each other on the basis of their natural philosophies. Had the main plot with CW not happened, the movie would have gone on with them arguing for who knows how long. Point being is that even if they weren\'t operating on different levels of information later in the movie, the Sokovian Accords issue would not have been resolved easy peasy and the entire definition of an \'idiot plot\' is that there is a simple and obvious solution that would have made all parties happy that is ignored for no reason. There is no such handwave that would have fixed all this. And when the main thrust of the movie happens, the escalating conflicting actions of the heroes are all justified by the varying events that occur. If they all had good reason to do what they did, I don\'t see how that\'s an idiot plot. T\'Challa being angry to the point of wanting to get revenge and then changing his mind once he saw what the happens to people who let vengeance consume them isn\'t stupidity. He needed a dramatic example to see it, and there\'s no one who could have manufactored that over a casual conversation. Furthermore, there\'s no one that was interested in doing so. BP is the new guy, and while they may feel bad for his loss, people have their own problems. Tony had reason to believe Bucky was a terrorist under his own cognition while Steve was privy to he knew to be true but was unable to readily prove. Even ignoring that they were impersonal in the beginning, I don\'t buy the argument that impersonality is even possible for anyone. The avengers are human and have different experiences affecting them. That doesn\'t make them irrational. Conflict and disagreements can happen between intelligent, rational individuals who have different viewpoints or different information available (or unavailable) to them and different experiences that have shaped their lives. Idiocy is when they can\'t provide good arguments to support their decisions. So who is the idiot then? Who made what decisions were made that can\'t be rationally supported, or what windows of resolution missed by blatant thoughtless action? This film achieves the actual conflict between people with differing ideologies, who have given rational arguments in support of both sides of those ideologies. That\'s far from idiotic.

I highly disagree with the idea that this is an IdiotPlot and feel the entry should be removed. The thrust of the argument is that \"no one acts in an impersonal\" way. Not only is that unrealistic to ask of anyone, but it\'s also wrong. Vision is the Stoic of the situation (atleast in matters outside of Scarlet Witch), and he makes his opinion known, and when the film begins and the accords are brought to them for the first time, that\'s about as impersonal as it\'s going to get, and they still weren\'t going anywhere because they fundamentally disagreed with each other on the basis of their natural philosophies. Had the main plot with CW not happened, the movie would have gone on with them arguing for who knows how long. Point being is that even if they weren\'t operating on different levels of information later in the movie, the Sokovian Accords issue would not have been resolved easy peasy and the entire definition of an \'idiot plot\' is that there is a simple and obvious solution that would have made all parties happy that is ignored for no reason. There is no such handwave that would have fixed all this. And when the main thrust of the movie happens, the escalating conflicting actions of the heroes are all justified by the varying events that occur. If they all had good reason to do what they did, I don\'t see how that\'s an idiot plot. T\'Challa being angry to the point of wanting to get revenge and then changing his mind once he saw what the happens to people who let vengeance consume them isn\'t stupidity. He needed a dramatic example to see it, and there\'s no one who could have manufactored that over a casual conversation. Furthermore, there\'s no one that was interested in doing so. BP is the new guy, and while they may feel bad for his loss, people have their own problems. Tony had reason to believe Bucky was a terrorist under his own cognition while Steve was privy to he knew to be true but was unable to readily prove. Even ignoring that they were impersonal in the beginning, I don\'t buy the argument that impersonality is even possible for anyone. The avengers are human and have different experiences affecting them. That doesn\'t make them irrational. Conflict and disagreements can happen between intelligent, rational individuals who have different viewpoints or different information available (or unavailable) to them and different experiences that have shaped their lives. Idiocy is when they can\'t provide good arguments to support their decisions. So who is the idiot then? Who made what decisions were made that can\'t be rationally supported, or what windows of resolution missed by blatant thoughtless action? This film achieves the actual conflict between people with differing ideologies, who have given rational arguments in support of both sides of those ideologies. That\'s far from idiotic.

I highly disagree with the idea that this is an IdiotPlot and feel the entry should be removed. The thrust of the argument is that \"no one acts in an impersonal\" way. Not only is that unrealistic to ask of anyone, but it\'s also wrong. Vision is the Stoic of the situation (atleast in matters outside of Scarlet Witch), and he makes his opinion known. Nearly all the Avengers here have personal experiences affecting them, and them not being \'impersonal\' isn\'t stupidity, it\'s simply impossible as human beings. When the film begins and the accords are brought to them for the first time, that\'s about as impersonal as it\'s going to get, and they still weren\'t going anywhere because they fundamentally disagreed with each other on the basis of their natural philosophies. Had the main plot with CW not happened, the movie would have gone on with them arguing for who knows how long. Point being is that even if they weren\'t operating on different levels of information later in the movie, the Sokovian Accords issue would not have been resolved easy peasy and the entire definition of an \'idiot plot\' is that there is a simple and obvious solution that would have made all parties happy that is ignored for no reason. There is no such handwave that would have fixed all this. And when the main thrust of the movie happens, the escalating conflicting actions of the heroes are all justified by the varying events that occur. If they all had good reason to do what they did, I don\'t see how that\'s an idiot plot. T\'Challa being angry to the point of wanting to get revenge and then changing his mind once he saw what the happens to people who let vengeance consume them isn\'t stupidity. He needed a dramatic example to see it, and there\'s no one who could have manufactored that over a casual conversation. Furthermore, there\'s no one that was interested in doing so. BP is the new guy, and while they may feel bad for his loss, people have their own problems. Tony had reason to believe Bucky was a terrorist under his own cognition while Steve was privy to he knew to be true but was unable to readily prove. Conflict and disagreements can happen between intelligent, rational individuals who have different viewpoints or different information available (or unavailable) to them. So where is the idiocy then? What decisions were made that can\'t be rationally supported, or what windows of resolution missed by blatant thoughtless action? This film achieves the actual conflict between people with differing ideologies, who have given rational arguments in support of both sides of those ideologies. That\'s far from idiotic.

I highly disagree with the idea that this is an IdiotPlot and feel the entry should be removed. The thrust of the argument is that \"no one acts in an impersonal\" way. Not only is that unrealistic to ask of anyone, but it\'s also wrong. Vision is the Stoic of the situation (atleast in matters outside of Scarlet Witch), and he makes his opinion known. Nearly all the Avengers here have personal experiences affecting them, and them not being \'impersonal\' isn\'t stupidity, it\'s simply impossible as human beings. When the film begins and the accords are brought to them for the first time, that\'s about as impersonal as it\'s going to get, and they still weren\'t going anywhere because they fundamentally disagreed with each other on the basis of their natural philosophies. Had the main plot with CW not happened, the movie would have gone on with them arguing for who knows how long. Point being is that even if they weren\'t operating on different levels of information later in the movie, the Sokovian Accords issue would not have been resolved easy peasy and the entire definition of an \'idiot plot\' is that there is a simple and obvious solution that would have made all parties happy that is ignored for no reason. There is no such handwave that would have fixed all this. And when the main thrust of the movie happens, the escalating conflicting actions of the heroes are all justified by the varying events that occur. If they all had good reason to do what they did, I don\'t see how that\'s an idiot plot. Conflict and disagreements can happen between intelligent, rational individuals who have different viewpoints or different information available (or unavailable) to them.

I highly disagree with the idea that this is an IdiotPlot and feel the entry should be removed. The thrust of the argument is that \"no one acts in an impersonal\" way. Not only is that unrealistic to ask of anyone, but it\'s also wrong. Vision is the Stoic of the situation (atleast in matters outside of Scarlet Witch), and he makes his opinion known. Nearly all the Avengers here have personal experiences affecting them, and them not being \'impersonal\' isn\'t stupidity, it\'s simply impossible as human beings. When the film begins and the accords are brought to them for the first time, that\'s about as impersonal as it\'s going to get, and they still weren\'t going anywhere because they fundamentally disagreed with each other on the basis of their natural philosophies. Had the main plot with WS not happened, the movie would have gone on with them arguing for who knows how long. Point being is that even if they weren\'t operating on different levels of information later in the movie, the Sokovian Accords issue would not have been resolved easy peasy and the entire definition of an \'idiot plot\' is that there is a simple and obvious solution that would have made all parties happy that is ignored for no reason. There is no such handwave that would have fixed all this. And when the main thrust of the movie happens, the escalating conflicting actions of the heroes are all justified by the varying events that occur. If they all had good reason to do what they did, I don\'t see how that\'s an idiot plot. Conflict and disagreements can happen between intelligent, rational individuals who have different viewpoints or different information available (or unavailable) to them.