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\\\"Only white heterosexual males can ever be evil. Pick anything else as the main villain and expect heavy outcry and criticism.
In the rare cases where someone else is the villain, they either find redemption, or an evil white heterosexual male manipulated them to become evil.\\\"

^^

Took it out -again-, because \\\"as the main villain\\\" doesn\\\'t make it true either. It\\\'s not just \\\"sort of true but overblown\\\", it\\\'s just wrong. It\\\'s made up nonsense.

I\\\'m going to open up a wikipedia tab and go through the Disney animated movies, just for an example:

*Movies with female ~main villains~ include: Lady and the Tramp, 101 Dalmatians and sequels, Cinderella and sequels, Rescuers, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Alice in Wonderland, Lion King II, Little Mermaid and sequel/prequel, James and the Giant Peach, Sword in the Stone, Tarzan\\\'s prequel IIRC, Pete\\\'s Dragon, Enchanted, Tinker Bell, Many of the Recess movies
*Movies with POC male main villains: Aladdin, Mulan, Princess and the Frog, Brother Bear and its sequel,
*Movies with POC female main villains: Emperor\\\'s New Groove and sequel

Not -one- of them were redeemed, aside from possibly Miss Finster in Recess and the mean girl from Tinker Bell--they don\\\'t turn good so much as they have their moments of humanity, and it would be wrong to call them \\\"evil\\\" so much as \\\"unpleasant\\\". Similarly the main villain in Brother Bear isn\\\'t evil.

Not one of them were manipulated by a male/white/heterosexual, save possibly Zira in Lion King II (even then I think there\\\'s a difference between being influenced and being manipulated).

There was some academic criticism about the stereotypically homosexual nature of Jafar or Scar (limited to gay interest groups), and some discussion about the way the villains of Mulan were drawn when compared to the protagonists (and how Aladdin/Jasmine\\\'s accents are absent yet Jafar keeps his), but just about zero actual \\\"outcry\\\" that the villains were POC.

I\\\'d say the only place in which you\\\'d have a point are homosexual villains, which tend to bring up some criticism when their sexuality is used as a scare tactic and are therefore pretty damn rare (as are homosexual main protagonists). Throwing in the \\\"white male\\\" just makes you totally wrong though. Some of the most iconic villains of all time are female. Hope this helps.

\\\"Only white heterosexual males can ever be evil. Pick anything else as the main villain and expect heavy outcry and criticism.
In the rare cases where someone else is the villain, they either find redemption, or an evil white heterosexual male manipulated them to become evil.\\\"

^^

Took it out -again-, because \\\"as the main villain\\\" doesn\\\'t make it true either. It\\\'s not just \\\"sort of true but overblown\\\", it\\\'s just wrong. It\\\'s made up nonsense.

I\\\'m going to open up a wikipedia tab and go through the Disney animated movies, just for an example:

*Movies with female ~main villains~ include: Lady and the Tramp, 101 Dalmatians and sequels, Cinderella and sequels, Rescuers, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Alice in Wonderland, Lion King II, Little Mermaid and sequel/prequel, James and the Giant Peach, Sword in the Stone, Tarzan\\\'s prequel IIRC, Pete\\\'s Dragon, Enchanted, Tinker Bell, Many of the Recess movies
*Movies with POC male main villains: Aladdin, Mulan, Princess and the Frog, Brother Bear and its sequel,
*Movies with POC female main villains: Emperor\\\'s New Groove and sequel

Not -one- of them were redeemed, aside from possibly Miss Finster in Recess and the mean girl from Tinker Bell--they don\\\'t turn good so much as they have their moments of humanity, and it would be wrong to call them \\\"evil\\\" so much as \\\"unpleasant\\\". Similarly the main villain in Brother Bear isn\\\'t evil.

Not one of them were manipulated by a male/white/heterosexual, save possibly Zira in Lion King II (even then I think there\\\'s a difference between being influenced and being manipulated).

Some academic criticism about the stereotypical homosexual nature of Jafar or Scar, and some discussion about the way the villains of Mulan were drawn when compared to the protagonists (and how Aladdin/Jasmine\\\'s accents are absent yet Jafar keeps his), but just about zero actual \\\"outcry\\\" that the villains were POC.

I\\\'d say the only place in which you\\\'d have a point are homosexual villains, which tend to bring up some criticism when their sexuality is used as a scare tactic and are therefore pretty damn rare (as are homosexual main protagonists). Throwing in the \\\"white male\\\" just makes you totally wrong though. Some of the most iconic villains of all time are female. Hope this helps.

\\\"Only white heterosexual males can ever be evil. Pick anything else as the main villain and expect heavy outcry and criticism.
In the rare cases where someone else is the villain, they either find redemption, or an evil white heterosexual male manipulated them to become evil.\\\"

^^

Took it out -again-, because \\\"as the main villain\\\" doesn\\\'t make it true either. It\\\'s not just \\\"sort of true but overblown\\\", it\\\'s just wrong. It\\\'s made up nonsense.

I\\\'m going to open up a wikipedia tab and go through the Disney animated movies, just for an example:

*Movies with female ~main villains~ include: Lady and the Tramp, 101 Dalmatians and sequels, Cinderella and sequels, Rescuers, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Alice in Wonderland, Lion King II, Little Mermaid and sequel/prequel, James and the Giant Peach, Sword in the Stone, Tarzan\\\'s prequel IIRC, Pete\\\'s Dragon, Enchanted, Tinker Bell, Many of the Recess movies
*Movies with POC male main villains: Aladdin, Mulan, Princess and the Frog, Brother Bear and its sequel,
*Movies with POC female main villains: Emperor\\\'s New Groove and sequel

Not -one- of them were redeemed, aside from possibly Miss Finster in Recess and the mean girl from Tinker Bell--they don\\\'t turn good so much as they have their moments of humanity, and it would be wrong to call them \\\"evil\\\" so much as \\\"unpleasant\\\". Similarly the main villain in Brother Bear isn\\\'t evil.
Not one of them were manipulated by a male/white/heterosexual, save possibly Zira in Lion King II (even then I think there\\\'s a difference between being influenced and being manipulated).
Some academic criticism about the stereotypical homosexual nature of Jafar or Scar, and some discussion about the way the villains of Mulan were drawn when compared to the protagonists (and how Aladdin/Jasmine\\\'s accents are absent yet Jafar keeps his), but just about zero actual \\\"outcry\\\" that the villains were POC.

I\\\'d say the only place in which you\\\'d have a point are homosexual villains, which tend to bring up some criticism when their sexuality is used as a scare tactic and are therefore pretty damn rare (as are homosexual main protagonists). Throwing in the \\\"white male\\\" just makes you totally wrong though. Some of the most iconic villains of all time are female. Hope this helps.

\\\"Only white heterosexual males can ever be evil. Pick anything else as the main villain and expect heavy outcry and criticism.
In the rare cases where someone else is the villain, they either find redemption, or an evil white heterosexual male manipulated them to become evil.\\\"