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Similar vein to the Sansa discussion: I looked up the relevant passage for Catelyn\'s only sex scene with Edd and would disagree that it is \
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Similar vein to the Sansa discussion: I looked up the relevant passage for Catelyn\\\'s only sex scene with Edd and would disagree that it is \\\"not for pleasure, but as her duty to bear him children.\\\" The lines:
\\\"He looked somehow smaller and more vulnerable, like the youth she had wed at the sept at Riverrun, fifteen long years gone. Her loins still ached with the urgency of his lovemaking. It was a good ache. She could feel his seed within her. She prayed it might quicken there. It had been three years since Rickon. She was not too old. She could give him another son.\\\"
I don\\\'t feel like that is describing a lay-back-and-think-of-Winterfell scenario: it sounds to me like she opens by being genuinely affectionate towards him, and she specifically mentions that the ache is \\\"a good ache\\\" which seems like she did enjoy it. On top of that, there is no discussion about them needing another child: after all, Ned has three potential heirs and two daughters already (on top of his bastard), even by the standards of the setting he\\\'s doing fine and she\\\'s already done her duty. So it seems more likely that this sex was an act of love between them, rather than them trying for another kid.
She does actively *want* to give him another son though, because she A) loves being a mother and loves her children and B) wants to be able to do it for his sake; note the words \\\"give him\\\", like a present.
If this is an Establishing Character Moment, I think it is more about establishing that Catelyn feels genuine warmth and love towards her husband and her children, which is later repeatedly supported by the rest of the text. (Spoiler coming) Even *moments* before she dies, one of her last thoughts is of how \\\"Ned loves her hair\\\". She is genuinely into him, not just out of duty.
\\\"He looked somehow smaller and more vulnerable, like the youth she had wed at the sept at Riverrun, fifteen long years gone. Her loins still ached with the urgency of his lovemaking. It was a good ache. She could feel his seed within her. She prayed it might quicken there. It had been three years since Rickon. She was not too old. She could give him another son.\\\"
I don\\\'t feel like that is describing a lay-back-and-think-of-Winterfell scenario: it sounds to me like she opens by being genuinely affectionate towards him, and she specifically mentions that the ache is \\\"a good ache\\\" which seems like she did enjoy it. On top of that, there is no discussion about them needing another child: after all, Ned has three potential heirs and two daughters already (on top of his bastard), even by the standards of the setting he\\\'s doing fine and she\\\'s already done her duty. So it seems more likely that this sex was an act of love between them, rather than them trying for another kid.
She does actively *want* to give him another son though, because she A) loves being a mother and loves her children and B) wants to be able to do it for his sake; note the words \\\"give him\\\", like a present.
If this is an Establishing Character Moment, I think it is more about establishing that Catelyn feels genuine warmth and love towards her husband and her children, which is later repeatedly supported by the rest of the text. (Spoiler coming) Even *moments* before she dies, one of her last thoughts is of how \\\"Ned loves her hair\\\". She is genuinely into him, not just out of duty.
