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1. While other villains and the other villains in Bleach do enter into bargains with people and screw then over they have at least someone that they give full disclosure. Ginjo certainly betrayed Ichigo\\\'s trust, but the entire Xcution organization and Tsukishima were in on it. There was a mutual trust among them and they shared each other\\\'s powers. All of the Quincies in the Wandenreich except Uryu know exactly what it means to fight for and serve Yhwach. Aizen on the other hand doesn\\\'t let anybody know what is going on and the one time he does it\\\'s meant as a test to see if that person can kill him. He doesn\\\'t tell the Arrancars that they\\\'re dirt to him and he doesn\\\'t tell Tousen that unmitigated hollowfication will cause soul suicide. Aizen betrays everyone who is allied to him in some way or another.
2. On the trope page it says that if there aren\\\'t any angels present in the story (the Quincies may have the motifs but they aren\\\'t any more angels than the Shinigami) then the character just has to be a part of a group of people with abilities others don\\\'t. This fits both Aizen and Yhwach, but Yhwach doesn\\\'t openly betray the Quincies (he absorbs the powers of impure Quinces, but that\\\'s more FantasticRascism than anything else). You are right the Spirit King isn\\\'t God, but Aizen\\\'s motives have been revealed to an extent. He rages against the Spirit King because he can\\\'t except a world ruled by \\\"it\\\" and he also desires a world of his own design (he says as much during his VillainousBreakdown and it is confirmed in the data books authored by Kubo) this is similar to how Lucifier couldn\\\'t except a world ruled by God and tried to over throw him (I may have the wrong interpretation of the Bible here, if such a thing exists, I\\\'m not very religious so if you are and I\\\'m just plain wrong here I concede).
3. I concede this point after reading those tropes Aizen doesn\\\'t fit them at all. I\\\'m about to be a natter-fly here for a little bit so feel free to ignore; Satan doesn\\\'t believe himself evil either, the Royal Guard think Yhwach is the greater evil because he will bring about the end of the world and not just a new world order like Aizen, and Yhwach isn\\\'t opposing the Spirit King he is waging a war on the shinigami in order to keep himself from reverting into a state of deaf, blind, and immobile.
4. This one isn\\\'t even arguable Hollows just aren\\\'t Christian demons. In Christian demonology demons are defined as fallen angels and the offspring of angel/human relationships. Nothing in Bleach nor in most works falls under these categories even in works that explicitly use the term demon. I prefer the way it is stated in the page that directly talks about Satan that the character can be the ruler of demons or evil creatures. I think one of the pages should be changed to fit together better either add to this trope saying that general evil creatures can qualify like Hollows or only the Christian definition of a demon should be used.
5. So this one only counts if it works for the majority of his appearances right. Well Satan is described as being able to take on many forms including a handsome man like how Aizen appears, but that\\\'s not enough. Aizen goes through several transformations ranging from the featureless to the bizarre and his shikai ability allows him to take on any form he wishes through its perfect hypnosis.
So he does fit a few more than peripherally and he only needs a combination to fit the trope, but I would suggest changing the part regarding the Spirit King to focus more on his motives rather than the Spirit King being like God. I think being overly literal with these tropes takes some of the fun out of this site, but hey since we\\\'re on the topic of examples that don\\\'t fit how about this one.
The Godhand from Berserk. Maybe you don\\\'t read it or you\\\'re behind on some stuff if you are you can ignore because of spoilers.
Entering bargains that help people in the short-term but screw them over long-term: The Godhand do enter into deals with people, but it\\\'s all for the Idea of Evil. The Idea of Evil is the one responsible for creating the Godhand and the behelits they use to turn people into Apostles. Also the deals benefit the all parties involved and there are no tricks. They ask you to sacrifice your friends they don\\\'t lie about it and when it\\\'s all done you get all the perks of being an Apostle and the Godhand get another soldier.
A fallen angel rebelling against the creator\\\'s will: Not only are they not fallen angels they were also normal people before becoming members of the Godhand and they aren\\\'t rebelling against their creator\\\'s will they are their creator\\\'s will. The Idea of Evil is God, in Berserk God is the manifestation of humanities desire for a being that controls everything bad that happens and the Godhand are its angels.
An UltimateEvil or GodofEvil / A ruler of demons: Obviously the Idea of Evil super cedes them in these categories.
Something that looks the part: Obviously they look demonic, but if every character that looked demonic was put on this page it would be an abused trope right?
So I see no reason not to replace the entry on the Godhand with an entry on the Idea of Evil.
2. On the trope page it says that if there aren\\\'t any angels present in the story (the Quincies may have the motifs but they aren\\\'t any more angels than the Shinigami) then the character just has to be a part of a group of people with abilities others don\\\'t. This fits both Aizen and Yhwach, but Yhwach doesn\\\'t openly betray the Quincies (he absorbs the powers of impure Quinces, but that\\\'s more FantasticRascism than anything else). You are right the Spirit King isn\\\'t God, but Aizen\\\'s motives have been revealed to an extent. He rages against the Spirit King because he can\\\'t except a world ruled by \\\"it\\\" and he also desires a world of his own design (he says as much during his VillainousBreakdown and it is confirmed in the data books authored by Kubo) this is similar to how Lucifier couldn\\\'t except a world ruled by God and tried to over throw him (I may have the wrong interpretation of the Bible here, if such a thing exists, I\\\'m not very religious so if you are and I\\\'m just plain wrong here I concede).
3. I concede this point after reading those tropes Aizen doesn\\\'t fit them at all. I\\\'m about to be a natter-fly here for a little bit so feel free to ignore; Satan doesn\\\'t believe himself evil either, the Royal Guard think Yhwach is the greater evil because he will bring about the end of the world and not just a new world order like Aizen, and Yhwach isn\\\'t opposing the Spirit King he is waging a war on the shinigami in order to keep himself from reverting into a state of deaf, blind, and immobile.
4. This one isn\\\'t even arguable Hollows just aren\\\'t Christian demons. In Christian demonology demons are defined as fallen angels and the offspring of angel/human relationships. Nothing in Bleach nor in most works falls under these categories even in works that explicitly use the term demon. I prefer the way it is stated in the page that directly talks about Satan that the character can be the ruler of demons or evil creatures. I think one of the pages should be changed to fit together better either add to this trope saying that general evil creatures can qualify like Hollows or only the Christian definition of a demon should be used.
5. So this one only counts if it works for the majority of his appearances right. Well Satan is described as being able to take on many forms including a handsome man like how Aizen appears, but that\\\'s not enough. Aizen goes through several transformations ranging from the featureless to the bizarre and his shikai ability allows him to take on any form he wishes through its perfect hypnosis.
So he does fit a few more than peripherally and he only needs a combination to fit the trope, but I would suggest changing the part regarding the Spirit King to focus more on his motives rather than the Spirit King being like God. I think being overly literal with these tropes takes some of the fun out of this site, but hey since we\\\'re on the topic of examples that don\\\'t fit how about this one.
The Godhand from Berserk. Maybe you don\\\'t read it or you\\\'re behind on some stuff if you are you can ignore because of spoilers.
Entering bargains that help people in the short-term but screw them over long-term: The Godhand do enter into deals with people, but it\\\'s all for the Idea of Evil. The Idea of Evil is the one responsible for creating the Godhand and the behelits they use to turn people into Apostles. Also the deals benefit the all parties involved and there are no tricks. They ask you to sacrifice your friends they don\\\'t lie about it and when it\\\'s all done you get all the perks of being an Apostle and the Godhand get another soldier.
A fallen angel rebelling against the creator\\\'s will: Not only are they not fallen angels they were also normal people before becoming members of the Godhand and they aren\\\'t rebelling against their creator\\\'s will they are their creator\\\'s will. The Idea of Evil is God, in Berserk God is the manifestation of humanities desire for a being that controls everything bad that happens and the Godhand are its angels.
An UltimateEvil or GodofEvil / A ruler of demons: Obviously the Idea of Evil super cedes them in these categories.
Something that looks the part: Obviously they look demonic, but if every character that looked demonic was put on this page it would be an abused trope right?
So I see no reason not to replace the entry on the Godhand with an entry on the Idea of Evil.
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1. While other villains and the other villains in Bleach do enter into bargains with people and screw then over they have at least someone that they give full disclosure. Ginjo certainly betrayed Ichigo\\\'s trust, but the entire Xcution organization and Tsukishima were in on it. There was a mutual trust among them and they shared each other\\\'s powers. All of the Quincies in the Wandenreich except Uryu know exactly what it means to fight for and serve Yhwach. Aizen on the other hand doesn\\\'t let anybody know what is going on and the one time he does it\\\'s meant as a test to see if that person can kill him. He doesn\\\'t tell the Arrancars that they\\\'re dirt to him and he doesn\\\'t tell Tousen that unmitigated hollowfication will cause soul suicide. Aizen betrays everyone who is allied to him in some way or another.
2. On the trope page it says that if there aren\\\'t any angels present in the story (the Quincies may have the motifs but they aren\\\'t any more angels than the Shinigami) then the character just has to be a part of a group of people with abilities others don\\\'t. This fits both Aizen and Yhwach, but Yhwach doesn\\\'t openly betray the Quincies (he absorbs the powers of impure Quinces, but that\\\'s more FantasticRascism than anything else). You are right the Spirit King isn\\\'t God, but Aizen\\\'s motives have been revealed to an extent. He rages against the Spirit King because he can\\\'t except a world ruled by \\\"it\\\" and he also desires a world of his own design (he says as much during his VillainousBreakdown and it is confirmed in the data books authored by Kubo) this is similar to how Lucifier couldn\\\'t except a world ruled by God and tried to over throw him (I may have the wrong interpretation of the Bible here, if such a thing exists, I\\\'m not very religious so if you are and I\\\'m just plain wrong here I concede).
3. I concede this point after reading those tropes Aizen doesn\\\'t fit them at all. I\\\'m about to be a natter-fly here for a little bit so feel free to ignore; Satan doesn\\\'t believe himself evil either, the Royal Guard think Yhwach is the greater evil because he will bring about the end of the world and not just a new world order like Aizen, and Yhwach isn\\\'t opposing the Spirit King he is waging a war on the shinigami in order to keep himself from reverting into a state of deaf, blind, and immobile.
4. I agree on this one. I even edited out the parts of the entry that refer to hollows as demons and Hueco Mundo as hell.
5. So this one only counts if it works for the majority of his appearances right. Well Satan is described as being able to take on many forms including a handsome man like how Aizen appears, but that\\\'s not enough. Aizen goes through several transformations ranging from the featureless to the bizarre and his shikai ability allows him to take on any form he wishes through its perfect hypnosis.
So he does fit a few more than peripherally and he only needs a combination to fit the trope, but I would suggest changing the part regarding the Spirit King to focus more on his motives rather than the Spirit King being like God. I think being overly literal with these tropes takes some of the fun out of this site, but hey since we\\\'re on the topic of examples that don\\\'t fit how about this one.
The Godhand from Berserk. Maybe you don\\\'t read it or you\\\'re behind on some stuff if you are you can ignore because of spoilers.
Entering bargains that help people in the short-term but screw them over long-term: The Godhand do enter into deals with people, but it\\\'s all for the Idea of Evil. The Idea of Evil is the one responsible for creating the Godhand and the behelits they use to turn people into Apostles. Also the deals benefit the all parties involved and there are no tricks. They ask you to sacrifice your friends they don\\\'t lie about it and when it\\\'s all done you get all the perks of being an Apostle and the Godhand get another soldier.
A fallen angel rebelling against the creator\\\'s will: Not only are they not fallen angels they were also normal people before becoming members of the Godhand and they aren\\\'t rebelling against their creator\\\'s will they are their creator\\\'s will. The Idea of Evil is God, in Berserk God is the manifestation of humanities desire for a being that controls everything bad that happens and the Godhand are its angels.
An UltimateEvil or GodofEvil / A ruler of demons: Obviously the Idea of Evil super cedes them in these categories.
Something that looks the part: Obviously they look demonic, but if every character that looked demonic was put on this page it would be an abused trope right?
So I see no reason not to replace the entry on the Godhand with an entry on the Idea of Evil.
2. On the trope page it says that if there aren\\\'t any angels present in the story (the Quincies may have the motifs but they aren\\\'t any more angels than the Shinigami) then the character just has to be a part of a group of people with abilities others don\\\'t. This fits both Aizen and Yhwach, but Yhwach doesn\\\'t openly betray the Quincies (he absorbs the powers of impure Quinces, but that\\\'s more FantasticRascism than anything else). You are right the Spirit King isn\\\'t God, but Aizen\\\'s motives have been revealed to an extent. He rages against the Spirit King because he can\\\'t except a world ruled by \\\"it\\\" and he also desires a world of his own design (he says as much during his VillainousBreakdown and it is confirmed in the data books authored by Kubo) this is similar to how Lucifier couldn\\\'t except a world ruled by God and tried to over throw him (I may have the wrong interpretation of the Bible here, if such a thing exists, I\\\'m not very religious so if you are and I\\\'m just plain wrong here I concede).
3. I concede this point after reading those tropes Aizen doesn\\\'t fit them at all. I\\\'m about to be a natter-fly here for a little bit so feel free to ignore; Satan doesn\\\'t believe himself evil either, the Royal Guard think Yhwach is the greater evil because he will bring about the end of the world and not just a new world order like Aizen, and Yhwach isn\\\'t opposing the Spirit King he is waging a war on the shinigami in order to keep himself from reverting into a state of deaf, blind, and immobile.
4. I agree on this one. I even edited out the parts of the entry that refer to hollows as demons and Hueco Mundo as hell.
5. So this one only counts if it works for the majority of his appearances right. Well Satan is described as being able to take on many forms including a handsome man like how Aizen appears, but that\\\'s not enough. Aizen goes through several transformations ranging from the featureless to the bizarre and his shikai ability allows him to take on any form he wishes through its perfect hypnosis.
So he does fit a few more than peripherally and he only needs a combination to fit the trope, but I would suggest changing the part regarding the Spirit King to focus more on his motives rather than the Spirit King being like God. I think being overly literal with these tropes takes some of the fun out of this site, but hey since we\\\'re on the topic of examples that don\\\'t fit how about this one.
The Godhand from Berserk. Maybe you don\\\'t read it or you\\\'re behind on some stuff if you are you can ignore because of spoilers.
Entering bargains that help people in the short-term but screw them over long-term: The Godhand do enter into deals with people, but it\\\'s all for the Idea of Evil. The Idea of Evil is the one responsible for creating the Godhand and the behelits they use to turn people into Apostles. Also the deals benefit the all parties involved and there are no tricks. They ask you to sacrifice your friends they don\\\'t lie about it and when it\\\'s all done you get all the perks of being an Apostle and the Godhand get another soldier.
A fallen angel rebelling against the creator\\\'s will: Not only are they not fallen angels they were also normal people before becoming members of the Godhand and they aren\\\'t rebelling against their creator\\\'s will they are their creator\\\'s will. The Idea of Evil is God, in Berserk God is the manifestation of humanities desire for a being that controls everything bad that happens and the Godhand are its angels.
An UltimateEvil or GodofEvil / A ruler of demons: Obviously the Idea of Evil super cedes them in these categories.
Something that looks the part: Obviously they look demonic, but if every character that looked demonic was put on this page it would be an abused trope right?
So I see no reason not to replace the entry on the Godhand with an entry on the Idea of Evil.
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1. While other villains and the other villains in Bleach do enter into bargains with people and screw then over they have at least someone that they give full disclosure. Ginjo certainly betrayed Ichigo\\\'s trust, but the entire Xcution organization and Tsukishima were in on it. There was a mutual trust among them and they shared each other\\\'s powers. All of the Quincies in the Wandenreich except Uryu know exactly what it means to fight for and serve Yhwach. Aizen on the other hand doesn\\\'t let anybody know what is going on and the one time he does it\\\'s meant as a test to see if that person can kill him. He doesn\\\'t tell the Arrancars that they\\\'re dirt to him and he doesn\\\'t tell Tousen that unmitigated hollowfication will cause soul suicide. Aizen betrays everyone who is allied to him in some way or another.
2. On the trope page it says that if there aren\\\'t any angels present in the story (the Quincies may have the motifs but they aren\\\'t any more angels than the Shinigami) then the character just has to be a part of a group of people with abilities others don\\\'t. This fits both Aizen and Yhwach, but Yhwach doesn\\\'t openly betray the Quincies (he absorbs the powers of impure Quinces, but that\\\'s more FantasticRascism than anything else). You are right the Spirit King isn\\\'t God, but Aizen\\\'s motives have been revealed to an extent. He rages against the Spirit King because he can\\\'t except a world ruled by \\\"it\\\" and he also desires a world of his own design (he says as much during his VillainousBreakdown and it is confirmed in the data books authored by Kubo) this is similar to how Lucifier couldn\\\'t except a world ruled by God and tried to over throw him (I may have the wrong interpretation of the Bible here, I\\\'m not very religious so if you are and I\\\'m just plain wrong here I concede).
3. I concede this point after reading those tropes Aizen doesn\\\'t fit them at all. I\\\'m about to be a natter-fly here for a little bit so feel free to ignore; Satan doesn\\\'t believe himself evil either, the Royal Guard think Yhwach is the greater evil because he will bring about the end of the world and not just a new world order like Aizen, and Yhwach isn\\\'t opposing the Spirit King he is waging a war on the shinigami in order to keep himself from reverting into a state of deaf, blind, and immobile.
4. I agree on this one. I even edited out the parts of the entry that refer to hollows as demons and Hueco Mundo as hell.
5. So this one only counts if it works for the majority of his appearances right. Well Satan is described as being able to take on many forms including a handsome man like how Aizen appears, but that\\\'s not enough. Aizen goes through several transformations ranging from the featureless to the bizarre and his shikai ability allows him to take on any form he wishes through its perfect hypnosis.
So he does fit a few more than peripherally and he only needs a combination to fit the trope, but I would suggest changing the part regarding the Spirit King to focus more on his motives rather than the Spirit King being like God. I think being overly literal with these tropes takes some of the fun out of this site, but hey since we\\\'re on the topic of examples that don\\\'t fit how about this one.
The Godhand from Berserk. Maybe you don\\\'t read it or you\\\'re behind on some stuff if you are you can ignore because of spoilers.
Entering bargains that help people in the short-term but screw them over long-term: The Godhand do enter into deals with people, but it\\\'s all for the Idea of Evil. The Idea of Evil is the one responsible for creating the Godhand and the behelits they use to turn people into Apostles. Also the deals benefit the all parties involved and there are no tricks. They ask you to sacrifice your friends they don\\\'t lie about it and when it\\\'s all done you get all the perks of being an Apostle and the Godhand get another soldier.
A fallen angel rebelling against the creator\\\'s will: Not only are they not fallen angels they were also normal people before becoming members of the Godhand and they aren\\\'t rebelling against their creator\\\'s will they are their creator\\\'s will. The Idea of Evil is God, in Berserk God is the manifestation of humanities desire for a being that controls everything bad that happens and the Godhand are its angels.
An UltimateEvil or GodofEvil / A ruler of demons: Obviously the Idea of Evil super cedes them in these categories.
Something that looks the part: Obviously they look demonic, but if every character that looked demonic was put on this page it would be an abused trope right?
So I see no reason not to replace the entry on the Godhand with an entry on the Idea of Evil.
2. On the trope page it says that if there aren\\\'t any angels present in the story (the Quincies may have the motifs but they aren\\\'t any more angels than the Shinigami) then the character just has to be a part of a group of people with abilities others don\\\'t. This fits both Aizen and Yhwach, but Yhwach doesn\\\'t openly betray the Quincies (he absorbs the powers of impure Quinces, but that\\\'s more FantasticRascism than anything else). You are right the Spirit King isn\\\'t God, but Aizen\\\'s motives have been revealed to an extent. He rages against the Spirit King because he can\\\'t except a world ruled by \\\"it\\\" and he also desires a world of his own design (he says as much during his VillainousBreakdown and it is confirmed in the data books authored by Kubo) this is similar to how Lucifier couldn\\\'t except a world ruled by God and tried to over throw him (I may have the wrong interpretation of the Bible here, I\\\'m not very religious so if you are and I\\\'m just plain wrong here I concede).
3. I concede this point after reading those tropes Aizen doesn\\\'t fit them at all. I\\\'m about to be a natter-fly here for a little bit so feel free to ignore; Satan doesn\\\'t believe himself evil either, the Royal Guard think Yhwach is the greater evil because he will bring about the end of the world and not just a new world order like Aizen, and Yhwach isn\\\'t opposing the Spirit King he is waging a war on the shinigami in order to keep himself from reverting into a state of deaf, blind, and immobile.
4. I agree on this one. I even edited out the parts of the entry that refer to hollows as demons and Hueco Mundo as hell.
5. So this one only counts if it works for the majority of his appearances right. Well Satan is described as being able to take on many forms including a handsome man like how Aizen appears, but that\\\'s not enough. Aizen goes through several transformations ranging from the featureless to the bizarre and his shikai ability allows him to take on any form he wishes through its perfect hypnosis.
So he does fit a few more than peripherally and he only needs a combination to fit the trope, but I would suggest changing the part regarding the Spirit King to focus more on his motives rather than the Spirit King being like God. I think being overly literal with these tropes takes some of the fun out of this site, but hey since we\\\'re on the topic of examples that don\\\'t fit how about this one.
The Godhand from Berserk. Maybe you don\\\'t read it or you\\\'re behind on some stuff if you are you can ignore because of spoilers.
Entering bargains that help people in the short-term but screw them over long-term: The Godhand do enter into deals with people, but it\\\'s all for the Idea of Evil. The Idea of Evil is the one responsible for creating the Godhand and the behelits they use to turn people into Apostles. Also the deals benefit the all parties involved and there are no tricks. They ask you to sacrifice your friends they don\\\'t lie about it and when it\\\'s all done you get all the perks of being an Apostle and the Godhand get another soldier.
A fallen angel rebelling against the creator\\\'s will: Not only are they not fallen angels they were also normal people before becoming members of the Godhand and they aren\\\'t rebelling against their creator\\\'s will they are their creator\\\'s will. The Idea of Evil is God, in Berserk God is the manifestation of humanities desire for a being that controls everything bad that happens and the Godhand are its angels.
An UltimateEvil or GodofEvil / A ruler of demons: Obviously the Idea of Evil super cedes them in these categories.
Something that looks the part: Obviously they look demonic, but if every character that looked demonic was put on this page it would be an abused trope right?
So I see no reason not to replace the entry on the Godhand with an entry on the Idea of Evil.
