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Just to head off any arguments; the official policy as per Administriva/HandlingSpoilers is that trope names are not to be spoiler-ed \'\'\'period.\'\'\' So yes this will spoil a lot of things, but I\'ve been paying attention to AskTheTropers enough to see that people have been getting suspended over this.
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Just to head off any arguments; the official policy as per Administrivia/HandlingSpoilers is that trope names are not to be spoiler-ed \\\'\\\'\\\'period.\\\'\\\'\\\' So yes this will spoil a lot of things, but I\\\'ve been paying attention to AskTheTropers enough to see that people have been getting suspended over this.
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* Swarm of the Century: There \'\'is\'\' an issue with how the message was delivered, but I don\'t think it qualifies as this trope. A BrokenAesop requires that the events of the episode are resolved by breaking the moral, which I don\'t think is the case. TheAesop is \
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* Swarm of the Century: There \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' an issue with how the message was delivered, but I don\\\'t think it qualifies as this trope. A BrokenAesop requires that the events of the episode are resolved by breaking the moral, which I don\\\'t think is the case. TheAesop is \\\"You should listen to your friends\\\" and the events of the episode bears that out: if they would have listened to Pinkie they would have saved a lot of trouble. Whether or not Pinkie sucked at communicating it doesn\\\'t break the \\\"listen to your friends\\\" aesop. I think this example would fit better under AccidentalAesop, the AccidentalAesop being \\\"you should make an effort to communicate\\\". The fact that there\\\'s a secondary aesop that doesn\\\'t get addressed doesn\\\'t in any way negate the stated message.
*MMDW: This one is pretty much valid.
*A Friend In Deed: I\\\'d say this is valid as well. The aesop is \\\"you can\\\'t badger people into being friends with you\\\", yet that\\\'s exactly what Pinkie does.\\\\
*The S3 finale is a weird one. I can see where people are coming from, but I think a lot of it is mitigated by the fact that a previous episode (Cutie Mark Chronicles) shows that Twilight wants to be like Celestia, and in the show itself her only issue with growing wings is that it might result in having to leave her friends. I\\\'d personally say trim it down to one bullet with a YMMV pothole somewhere.
* S4. Same as S3 basically; I interpreted the lesson as being more that \\\"all six of us need to stick together\\\" due to the fact that both Twilight on her own and the other five by themselves failed. It was less about reiterating Twilight\\\'s specific importance and more that the group can\\\'t split itself. The other thing is that AJ\\\'s whole \\\"she needs to be kept safe because she\\\'s the princess\\\" was explicitly wrong \\\'\\\'in-universe\\\'\\\'. That can\\\'t be a broken aesop because the entire point of the episode was that all of them, Twilight included, needed to be present and that Twilight should still be one of the group despite being a princess. There are still shades of this trope, but I think the example needs to be rewritten into something like \\\"The episode tries to show that the ponies can only accomplish their goals together, but Twilight contributes as much to the effort as the rest of the cast combined\\\" or something.
The short version:
* Swarm: Move the example to AccidentalAesop (I don\\\'t think the situation fits this trope)
* MMDW: leave
* AFID: leave
* Magical Mystery Cure: Leave, but rewrite to be less complainy
* Princess Twilight Sparkle: Leave, but rewrite to be less complainy
Also, I feel compelled to point out that saying \\\"Twilight using the power of friendship/magic to fuel her ascension breaks the show\\\'s Aesops because she does it behind their backs and one of the literal elements that friendship is built on is honesty.\\\" doesn\\\'t really fit the events of the show. She didn\\\'t go behind anyone\\\'s back; \\\'\\\'she\\\'\\\' didn\\\'t even know it was going to happen, so saying that she somehow betrayed her friends\\\' trust in ascending doesn\\\'t make sense. None of her friends are any worse off for it, and she clearly doesn\\\'t consider them any less important.
*MMDW: This one is pretty much valid.
*A Friend In Deed: I\\\'d say this is valid as well. The aesop is \\\"you can\\\'t badger people into being friends with you\\\", yet that\\\'s exactly what Pinkie does.\\\\
*The S3 finale is a weird one. I can see where people are coming from, but I think a lot of it is mitigated by the fact that a previous episode (Cutie Mark Chronicles) shows that Twilight wants to be like Celestia, and in the show itself her only issue with growing wings is that it might result in having to leave her friends. I\\\'d personally say trim it down to one bullet with a YMMV pothole somewhere.
* S4. Same as S3 basically; I interpreted the lesson as being more that \\\"all six of us need to stick together\\\" due to the fact that both Twilight on her own and the other five by themselves failed. It was less about reiterating Twilight\\\'s specific importance and more that the group can\\\'t split itself. The other thing is that AJ\\\'s whole \\\"she needs to be kept safe because she\\\'s the princess\\\" was explicitly wrong \\\'\\\'in-universe\\\'\\\'. That can\\\'t be a broken aesop because the entire point of the episode was that all of them, Twilight included, needed to be present and that Twilight should still be one of the group despite being a princess. There are still shades of this trope, but I think the example needs to be rewritten into something like \\\"The episode tries to show that the ponies can only accomplish their goals together, but Twilight contributes as much to the effort as the rest of the cast combined\\\" or something.
The short version:
* Swarm: Move the example to AccidentalAesop (I don\\\'t think the situation fits this trope)
* MMDW: leave
* AFID: leave
* Magical Mystery Cure: Leave, but rewrite to be less complainy
* Princess Twilight Sparkle: Leave, but rewrite to be less complainy
Also, I feel compelled to point out that saying \\\"Twilight using the power of friendship/magic to fuel her ascension breaks the show\\\'s Aesops because she does it behind their backs and one of the literal elements that friendship is built on is honesty.\\\" doesn\\\'t really fit the events of the show. She didn\\\'t go behind anyone\\\'s back; \\\'\\\'she\\\'\\\' didn\\\'t even know it was going to happen, so saying that she somehow betrayed her friends\\\' trust in ascending doesn\\\'t make sense. None of her friends are any worse off for it, and she clearly doesn\\\'t consider them any less important.
