Discussion History WesternAnimation / TheLegoMovie

You said \\\"Let\\\'s look at the facts.\\\" and then proceeded to list interpretations. In a couple of cases, you\\\'re creating assumptions to form the basis of other assumptions you have, which leads to circular arguments. For example, you\\\'ve assumed the White Aizen created and the Inner Hollow of Ichigo are exactly the same, which has led to you making assumptions about the relationship between Ichigo and his Inner Hollow. The manga has clearly set up a connection, but it\\\'s left the relationship open to interpretation. We barely even know what \\\"target hollowfication\\\" really meant so Masaki being hollowfied as a result of it tells us very little about the relationship between White and Ichigo\\\'s Inner Hollow.

Your last bullet point asks the right question: the fandom certainly has questions. However, you\\\'re not really right to claim a ContinuitySnarl in Kubo\\\'s coverage of him. KingZeal is right, as is common for a Japanese author, Kubo has littered his story with shinto themes and flavour. Judging from your interpretation, the issue is more that the story is developing in a direction that contradicts your beliefs.

So, to answer the question \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" simply: my answer would be \\\"something we shouldn\\\'t be so quick to throw tropes at\\\". The reason a lot of your tropes keep getting cleaned up is precisely because of this issue. You\\\'re troping your interpretation, not what the manga is definitely saying.

May I just also say you shouldn\\\'t be going ahead and troping away as though this discussion has been resolved and an outcome agreed.

You said \\\"Let\\\'s look at the facts.\\\" and then proceeded to list interpretations. In a couple of cases, you\\\'re creating assumptions to form the basis of other assumptions you have, which leads to circular arguments. For example, you\\\'ve assumed the White Aizen created and the Inner Hollow of Ichigo are exactly the same, which has led to you making assumptions about the relationship between Ichigo and his Inner Hollow. The manga has clearly set up a connection, but it\\\'s left the relationship open to interpretation. We barely even know what \\\"target hollowfication\\\" really meant so Masaki being hollowfied as a result of it tells us very little about the relationship between White and Ichigo\\\'s Inner Hollow.

Your last bullet point asks the right question: the fandom certainly has questions. However, you\\\'re not really right to claim a ContinuitySnarl in Kubo\\\'s coverage of him. KingZeal is right, as is common for a Japanese author, Kubo has littered his story with shinto themes and flavour. Judging from your interpretation, the issue is more that the story is developing in a direction that contradicts your beliefs.

So, to answer the question \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" simply: my answer would be \\\"something we shouldn\\\'t be so quick to throw tropes at\\\". The reason a lot of your tropes keep getting cleaned up is precisely because of this issue. You\\\'re troping your interpretation, not what the manga is definitely saying.

You said \\\"Let\\\'s look at the facts.\\\" and then proceeded to list interpretations. In a couple of cases, you\\\'re creating assumptions to form the basis of other assumptions you have, which leads to circular arguments. For example, you\\\'ve assumed the White Aizen created and the Inner Hollow of Ichigo are exactly the same, which has led to you making assumptions about the relationship between Ichigo and his Inner Hollow. The manga has clearly set up a connection, but it\\\'s left the relationship open to interpretation. We barely even know what \\\"target hollowfication\\\" really meant so Masaki being hollowfied as a result of it tells us very little about the relationship between White and Ichigo\\\'s Inner Hollow.

Your last bullet point asks the right question: the fandom certainly has questions. However, you\\\'re not really right to claim a ContinuitySnarl in Kubo\\\'s coverage of him. KingZeal is right, as is common for a Japanese author, Kubo has littered his story with shinto themes and flavour. Judging from your interpretation, the issue is more that the story is developing in a direction that contradicts your beliefs, which is probably why you cannot reconcile what you believe with what the story is actually saying.

So, to answer the question \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" simply: my answer would be \\\"something we shouldn\\\'t be so quick to throw tropes at\\\". The reason a lot of your tropes keep getting cleaned up is precisely because of this issue. You\\\'re troping your interpretation, not what the manga is definitely saying.

You said \\\"Let\\\'s look at the facts.\\\" and then proceeded to list interpretations. In a couple of cases, you\\\'re creating assumptions to form the basis of other assumptions you have, which leads to circular arguments. For example, you\\\'ve assumed the White Aizen created and the Inner Hollow of Ichigo are exactly the same, which has led to you making assumptions about the relationship between Ichigo and his Inner Hollow. The manga has clearly set up a connection, but it\\\'s left the relationship open to interpretation. We barely even know what \\\"target hollowfication\\\" really meant so Masaki being hollowfied as a result of it tells us very little about the relationship between White and Ichigo\\\'s Inner Hollow.

Your last bullet point asks the right question: the fandom certainly has questions. However, you\\\'re not really right to claim a ContinuitySnarl in Kubo\\\'s coverage of him. KingZeal is right, as is common for a Japanese author, Kubo has littered his story with shinto themes and flavour. Judging from your interpretation, the issue is more that the story is developing in a direction that doesn\\\'t support your beliefs, which is probably why you cannot reconcile what you believe with what the story is actually saying.

So, to answer the question \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" simply: my answer would be \\\"something we shouldn\\\'t be so quick to throw tropes at\\\". The reason a lot of your tropes keep getting cleaned up is precisely because of this issue. You\\\'re troping your interpretation, not what the manga is definitely saying.

You said \\\"Let\\\'s look at the facts.\\\" and then proceeded to list interpretations. In a couple of cases, you\\\'re creating assumptions to form the basis of other assumptions you have, which leads to circular arguments. For example, you\\\'ve assumed the White Aizen created and the Inner Hollow of Ichigo are exactly the same, which has led to you making assumptions about the relationship between Ichigo and his Inner Hollow. The manga has clearly set up a connection, but it\\\'s left the relationship open to interpretation. We barely even know what \\\"target hollowfication\\\" really meant so Masaki being hollowfied as a result of it tells us very little about the relationship between White and Ichigo\\\'s Inner Hollow. You\\\'ve filled in the blanks in the story with your own assumptions, and are troping your interpretations not the manga.

Your last bullet point asks the right question: the fandom certainly has questions. However, you\\\'re not really right to claim a ContinuitySnarl in Kubo\\\'s coverage of him. KingZeal is right, as is common for a Japanese author, Kubo has littered his story with shinto themes and flavour. Judging from your interpretation, the issue is more that the story is developing in a direction that doesn\\\'t support your beliefs, which is probably why you cannot reconcile what you believe with what the story is actually saying.

So, to answer the question \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" simply: my answer would be \\\"something we shouldn\\\'t be so quick to throw tropes at\\\". The reason a lot of your tropes keep getting cleaned up is precisely because of this issue. You\\\'re troping your interpretation, not what the manga is definitely saying.

You said \\\"Let\\\'s look at the facts.\\\" and then proceeded to list interpretations. In a couple of cases, you\\\'re creating assumptions to form the basis of other assumptions you have, which leads to circular arguments. For example, you\\\'ve assumed the White Aizen created and the Inner Hollow of Ichigo are exactly the same, which has led to you making assumptions about the relationship between Ichigo and his Inner Hollow. The manga has clearly set up a connection, but it\\\'s left the relationship open to interpretation. We barely even know what \\\"target hollowfication\\\" really meant so Masaki being hollowfied as a result of it tells us very little about the relationship between White and Ichigo\\\'s Inner Hollow. You\\\'ve filled in the blanks in the story with your own assumptions, and are troping your interpretations not the manga.

Your last bullet point is therefore closest to true situation: the fandom has questions. However, you\\\'re not really right to claim a ContinuitySnarl in Kubo\\\'s coverage of him. KingZeal is right, as is common for a Japanese author, Kubo has littered his story with shinto themes and flavour. Judging from your interpretation, the issue is more that the story is developing in a direction that doesn\\\'t support your beliefs, which is probably why you cannot reconcile what you believe with what the story is actually saying.

So, to answer the question \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" simply: my answer would be \\\"something we shouldn\\\'t be so quick to throw tropes at\\\". The reason a lot of your tropes keep getting cleaned up is precisely because of this issue. You\\\'re troping your interpretation, not what the manga is definitely saying.

You said \\\"Let\\\'s look at the facts.\\\" and then proceeded to list interpretations. In a couple of cases, you\\\'re creating assumptions to form the basis of other assumptions you have, which leads to circular arguments. For example, you\\\'ve assumed the White Aizen created and the Inner Hollow of Ichigo are exactly the same, which has led to you making assumptions about the relationship between Ichigo and his Inner Hollow. The manga has clearly set up a connection, but it\\\'s left the relationship open to interpretation. We barely even know what \\\"target hollowfication\\\" really meant so Masaki being hollowfied as a result of it tells us very little about the relationship between White and Ichigo\\\'s Inner Hollow. You\\\'ve filled in the blanks in the story with your own assumptions, and are troping your interpretations not the manga.

Your last bullet point is therefore closest to true situation: the fandom has questions. However, you\\\'re not really right to claim a ContinuitySnarl in Kubo\\\'s coverage of him. KingZeal is right, as is common for a Japanese author, Kubo has littered his story with shinto themes and flavour. Judging from your interpretation, the issue is more that the story is developing in a direction that doesn\\\'t support your beliefs, which is probably why you cannot reconcile what you believe with what the story is actually saying.

So, to answer the question \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" simply: my answer would be \\\"something we shouldn\\\'t be so quick to throw tropes at\\\". The reason a lot of your tropes keep getting removed is precisely because of this issue. You\\\'re troping your interpretation, not what the manga is definitely saying.

You said \\\"Let\\\'s look at the facts.\\\" and then proceeded to list a number of bullet points that are mostly built around your assumptions and interpretations. In a couple of cases, you\\\'re creating assumptions to form the basis of other assumptions you have, which leads to circular arguments. For example, you\\\'ve assumed the White Aizen created and the Inner Hollow of Ichigo are exactly the same, which has led to you making assumptions about the relationship between Ichigo and his Inner Hollow. The manga has clearly set up a connection, but it\\\'s left the reader to interpret what that connection really is. At the moment, we barely even know what \\\"target hollowfication\\\" really meant so Masaki being hollowfied as a result of it tells us very little about the full truth of the connection between White and Ichigo\\\'s Inner Hollow. You\\\'ve filled in the blanks in the story with your own assumptions and interpretations, and are troping your interpretations, not what the manga is really saying.

Your last bullet point is therefore closest to true situation: the fandom has questions. However, you\\\'re not really right to claim a ContinuitySnarl in Kubo\\\'s coverage of him. KingZeal is right, as is common for a Japanese author, Kubo has littered his story with shinto themes and flavour. Judging from your interpretation, the issue is more that the story is developing in a direction that doesn\\\'t support your beliefs, which is probably why you cannot reconcile what you believe with what the story is actually saying.

So, to answer the question \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" simply: my answer would be \\\"something we shouldn\\\'t be so quick to throw tropes at\\\". The reason a lot of your tropes keep getting removed is precisely because of this issue. You\\\'re troping your interpretation, not what the manga is definitely saying.

You said \\\"Let\\\'s look at the facts.\\\" and then proceeded to list a number of bullet points that are mostly built around your assumptions and interpretations. In a couple of cases, you\\\'re creating assumptions to form the basis of other assumptions you have, which leads to circular arguments. For example, you\\\'ve assumed the White Aizen created and the Inner Hollow of Ichigo are exactly the same, which has led to you making assumptions about the relationship between Ichigo and his Inner Hollow. The manga has clearly set up a connection, but it\\\'s left the reader to interpret what that connection really is. At the moment, we barely even know what \\\"target hollowfication\\\" really meant.

As a result, using target hollowfication on Masaki doesn\\\'t tell us very much about what the actual connection between her hollowfication (and Ichigo\\\'s) really is for us to claim that one trope or another definitely, clearly fits the situation. You\\\'ve filled in the blanks in the story with your own assumptions and interpretations, and are troping your interpretations, not what the manga is really saying.

Your last bullet point is therefore closest to true situation: the fandom has questions. However, you\\\'re not really right to claim a ContinuitySnarl in Kubo\\\'s coverage of him. KingZeal is right, as is common for a Japanese author, Kubo has littered his story with shinto themes and flavour. Judging from your interpretation, the issue is more that the story is developing in a direction that doesn\\\'t support your beliefs, which is probably why you cannot reconcile what you believe with what the story is actually saying.

So, to answer the question \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" simply: my answer would be \\\"something we shouldn\\\'t be so quick to throw tropes at\\\". The reason a lot of your tropes keep getting removed is precisely because of this issue. You\\\'re troping your interpretation, not what the manga is definitely saying.

The trouble with that overly long post is, very simply, the very last bullet point: \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" you ask. You said \\\"Let\\\'s look at the facts.\\\" and then proceeded to list a number of bullet points that are mostly built around your assumptions and interpretations. In a couple of cases, you\\\'re creating assumptions to form the basis of other assumptions you have, which leads to circular arguments. For example, you\\\'ve assumed the White Aizen created and the Inner Hollow of Ichigo are exactly the same, which has led to you making assumptions about the relationship between Ichigo and his Inner Hollow. The manga has clearly set up a connection, but it\\\'s left the reader to interpret what that connection really is. At the moment, we barely even know what \\\"target hollowfication\\\" really meant.

As a result, using target hollowfication on Masaki doesn\\\'t tell us very much about what the actual connection between her hollowfication (and Ichigo\\\'s) really is for us to claim that one trope or another definitely, clearly fits the situation. You\\\'ve filled in the blanks in the story with your own assumptions and interpretations, and are troping your interpretations, not what the manga is really saying.

Your last bullet point is therefore closest to true situation: the fandom has questions. However, you\\\'re not really right to claim a ContinuitySnarl in Kubo\\\'s coverage of him. KingZeal is right, as is common for a Japanese author, Kubo has littered his story with shinto themes and flavour. Judging from your interpretation, the issue is more that the story is developing in a direction that doesn\\\'t support your beliefs, which is probably why you cannot reconcile what you believe with what the story is actually saying.

So, to answer the question \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" simply: my answer would be \\\"something we shouldn\\\'t be so quick to throw tropes at\\\". The reason a lot of your tropes keep getting removed is precisely because of this issue. You\\\'re troping your interpretation, not what the manga is definitely saying.

The trouble with that overly long post is, very simply, the very last bullet point: \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" you ask. You said \\\"Let\\\'s look at the facts.\\\" and then proceeded to list a number of bullet points that are mostly built around your assumptions and interpretations. In a couple of cases, you\\\'re creating assumptions to form the basis of other assumptions you have, which leads to circular arguments.

For example, the bullet point regarding Isshin revealing the inner hollow is White. You\\\'ve automatically assumed the White Aizen created and the Inner Hollow of Ichigo are one and the same, which has led to you making assumptions about the relationship between Ichigo and his inner hollow. The manga has made no such claim. The manga has clearly set up a connection, but it\\\'s left the reader to interpret what that connection really is. At the moment, we barely even know what \\\'target hollowfication\\\' really meant - we only know it existed and that White could do it.

As a result, using target hollowfication on Masaki doesn\\\'t tell us very much about what the actual connection between her hollowfication (and Ichigo\\\'s) really is for us to claim that one trope or another definitely, clearly fits the situation. You\\\'ve filled in the blanks in the story with your own assumptions and interpretations, are forcing your interpretations into tropes and then pushing those tropes onto the fandom.

Your last bullet point is therefore closest to true situation: the fandom has questions. More questions than answers. However, the one thing you\\\'re asking in that last bullet point that actually isn\\\'t an issue is your belief that Kubo\\\'s somehow been inconsistent and incapable of deciding what the hollow should be. It only seems inconsistent if you make certain assumptions then realise the story is developing in a direction that doesn\\\'t fit your beliefs. KingZeal is right, as normal for a Japanese author, Kubo has littered his story with shinto themes and flavour. As a result, the issue is not the ContinuitySnarl you keep saying it is, it\\\'s simply that the story doesn\\\'t fit the assumptions you\\\'re driving your trope choices with.

So, to answer the question \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" simply: my answer would be \\\"something we shouldn\\\'t be so quick to throw tropes at\\\". The reason a lot of your tropes keep getting removed is precisely because of this issue. You\\\'re troping your interpretation, not what the manga is definitely saying.

The trouble with that overly long post is, very simply, the very last bullet point: \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" you ask. You said \\\"Let\\\'s look at the facts.\\\" and then proceeded to list a number of bullet points that are mostly built around your assumptions and interpretations. In a couple of cases, you\\\'re creating assumptions to form the basis of other assumptions you have, which leads to circular arguments.

For example, the bullet point regarding Isshin revealing the inner hollow is White. You\\\'ve automatically assumed the White Aizen created and the Inner Hollow of Ichigo are one and the same, which has led to you making assumptions about the relationship between Ichigo and his inner hollow. The manga has made no such claim. The manga has clearly set up a connection, but it\\\'s left the reader to interpret what that connection really is. At the moment, we barely even know what \\\'target hollowfication\\\' really meant - we only know it existed and that White could do it.

As a result, using target hollowfication on Masaki doesn\\\'t tell us very much about what the actual connection between her hollowfication (and Ichigo\\\'s) really is for us to claim that one trope or another definitely, clearly fits the situation. You\\\'ve filled in the blanks in the story with your own assumptions and interpretations, are forcing your interpretations into tropes and then pushing those tropes onto the fandom.

Your last bullet point is therefore closest to true situation: the fandom has questions. More questions than answers. However, the one thing you\\\'re asking in that last bullet point that actually isn\\\'t an issue is your belief that Kubo\\\'s somehow been inconsistent and incapable of deciding what the hollow should be. It only seems inconsistent if you make the assumption (as you have) that it\\\'s based on some kind of Jungian motif or demonic possession and then noticed that the story doesn\\\'t seem to be supporting your assumptions and interpretations. KingZeal is right, as normal for a Japanese author, Kubo has littered his story with shinto themes and flavour. As a result, the issue is not the ContinuitySnarl you keep saying it is, it\\\'s simply that the story doesn\\\'t fit the assumptions you\\\'re driving your trope choices with.

So, to answer the question \\\"What is Zangetsu?\\\" simply: my answer would be \\\"something we shouldn\\\'t be so quick to throw tropes at\\\". The reason a lot of your tropes keep getting removed is precisely because of this issue. You\\\'re troping your interpretation, not what the manga is definitely saying.