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Also Sail was going to go to the press to reveal a truth he was morally outraged about, The first thing Carrie says to the reporter is an outright lie (that she didn\'t fuck Brody) to protect herself and get revenge against the CIA conspiracy against her.

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Also Saul was going to go to the press to reveal a truth he was morally outraged about, The first thing Carrie says to the reporter is an outright lie (that she didn\\\'t fuck Brody) to protect herself and get revenge against the CIA conspiracy against her.

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Finally, I don\'t think you get the difference between villain and antagonist. At the end of the day Saul\'s fighting mass-murderers and is being forced into taking action against Carrie because she\'s becoming a danger to herself and the CIA (who are one of two agencies that handle international espionage, with the NSA being more an electronic agency compared to the CIA\'s focus on human resources). Her acting out only helps Nasir\'s old network by taking down half the people who are legally allowed to track him down all over this massive conspiracy the show even showed was false (such as thinking that Saul was behind it all). You\'re saying that she would never reveal anything to help them but again, her judgement is completely impaired at this point, so her intentions are meaningless

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Finally, I don\\\'t think you get the difference between villain and antagonist. At the end of the day Saul\\\'s fighting mass-murderers and is being forced into taking action against Carrie because she\\\'s becoming a danger to herself and the CIA (who are one of two agencies that handle international espionage, with the NSA being more an electronic agency compared to the CIA\\\'s focus on human resources). Her acting out only helps Nasir\\\'s old network by taking down half the people who are legally allowed to track him down all over this massive conspiracy the show even showed was false (such as thinking that Saul was behind it all). You\\\'re saying that she would never reveal anything to help them but again, her judgement is completely impaired at this point, so her intentions are meaningless. The idea that he\\\'d do the same thing if she was on her meds is irrelevant since if she was on her meds she would be more focused on figuring out who is actually leaking documents to the press instead of her \\\"Oh my god it\\\'s a conspiracy against me!\\\"

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By the same criteria you\'ve used against Saul Carrie herself is an AntiVillian (back in season one she threatened the Saudi consulant with having his favourite daughter bared from every Western country in the world so she would have no choice but to give up her hopes and dreams and get married off just to survive, which is by no means an evil action to even consider). Saul is not fighting against the hero; he\'s trying to stop Carrie from doing something incredibly stupid while she is nowhere near a good mental state. Her being off her meds has always been portrayed in the series as being a bad thing, and all he wants is for her to actually sit down and think about her actions first.

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By the same criteria you\\\'ve used against Saul Carrie herself is an AntiVillian (back in season one she threatened the Saudi consulant with having his favourite daughter bared from every Western country in the world so she would have no choice but to give up her hopes and dreams and get married off just to survive, which is by no means an evil action to even consider). Saul is not fighting against the hero; he\\\'s trying to stop Carrie from doing something incredibly stupid while she is nowhere near a good mental state. Her being off her meds has always been portrayed in the series as being a bad thing, her attempts at alternate treatment are failing and she\\\'s too much in denial and caught up with thinking the entire world is out to get her that she is failing both the CIA (by not being able to help them catch terrorists) or Brody (by being his only supporter and putting herself in a position where that just hurts his case).

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