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Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\'t, ergo \
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Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\\\'t, ergo \\\"Katara attacked Zuko. If she was controlled by the sea serpent, it\\\'s her own fault for being too weak and/or ignorant to resist it. Aang has no right to be angry with Zuko for killing her in self-defense.\\\" Thus outcome B would still lead to outcomes A and C, only as the result of an Avatar-state tantrum that would have alienated his ghost parents. The bad guys are fine with outcome C, but they would have preferred B.
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Oh, and I still support the \\\"waterbender prison/research facility\\\" theory. So does [[http://audreymgonzalez.com/2012/book-three-fire-chapter-eight-the-puppetmaster/ this guy]].
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It’s not like a Fire Nation general just waltzed into Water Tribe territory and was able to study them up close and personal. The Water Tribes really aren’t bastions of cultural exchange and openness, and their remoteness makes it a bit difficult for people to visit them.

So how could Iroh have seriously studied waterbenders? My first thought was Hama and the other Water Tribe [=POWs=]. He could have had access to them as a general, and the Fire Nation surely did something else with the waterbenders than just keep them locked up in cages the whole time.
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Also, this part\\\'s relevant, too;
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It didn’t occur to me before this episode that Katara doesn’t actually know Southern Water Tribe waterbending. She had self-taught herself a few techniques—making tiny waves and throwing water around occasionally—but all of her teaching has been from the Northern Water Tribe. Even the waterbending scroll she stole from the pirates was from the Northern Water Tribe. Of course Katara would jump at the chance to have Hama teach her the Southern Water Tribe’s waterbending traditions AKA the heritage she has never been able to learn and thought was lost. And now that Hama is presumably set to die in prison and it’s highly doubtful that any other southern waterbenders survived, that heritage is effectively dead. This means that the Fire Nation not only wiped out all but one Air Nomad, but they also completely wiped out the Southern Water Tribe style of waterbending.
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...the Lituya Bay waterbenders are \\\'\\\'poisoned\\\'\\\' and can\\\'t pass their styles on to the Water Tribes, as only the hybrid Fire/Water culture of Byakko has the ability to pass on that training without passing on the trauma. It\\\'s even worse in Embers than it is in canon - the Fire Nation didn\\\'t just exterminate the SWT waterbending style, they \\\'\\\'\\\'consumed\\\'\\\'\\\' it.
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Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\'t, ergo \
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Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\\\'t, ergo \\\"Katara attacked Zuko. If she was controlled by the sea serpent, it\\\'s her own fault for being too weak and/or ignorant to resist it. Aang has no right to be angry with Zuko for killing her in self-defense.\\\" Thus outcome B would still lead to outcomes A and C, only as the result of an Avatar-state tantrum that would have alienated his ghost parents. The bad guys are fine with outcome C, but they would have preferred B.
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Oh, and I still support the \\\"waterbender prison/research facility\\\" theory. So does [[http://audreymgonzalez.com/2012/book-three-fire-chapter-eight-the-puppetmaster/ this guy]].
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It’s not like a Fire Nation general just waltzed into Water Tribe territory and was able to study them up close and personal. The Water Tribes really aren’t bastions of cultural exchange and openness, and their remoteness makes it a bit difficult for people to visit them.

So how could Iroh have seriously studied waterbenders? My first thought was Hama and the other Water Tribe [=POWs=]. He could have had access to them as a general, and the Fire Nation surely did something else with the waterbenders than just keep them locked up in cages the whole time.
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Also, this part\\\'s relevant, too;
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It didn’t occur to me before this episode that Katara doesn’t actually know Southern Water Tribe waterbending. She had self-taught herself a few techniques—making tiny waves and throwing water around occasionally—but all of her teaching has been from the Northern Water Tribe. Even the waterbending scroll she stole from the pirates was from the Northern Water Tribe. Of course Katara would jump at the chance to have Hama teach her the Southern Water Tribe’s waterbending traditions AKA the heritage she has never been able to learn and thought was lost. And now that Hama is presumably set to die in prison and it’s highly doubtful that any other southern waterbenders survived, that heritage is effectively dead. This means that the Fire Nation not only wiped out all but one Air Nomad, but they also completely wiped out the Southern Water Tribe style of waterbending.
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...the Lituya Bay waterbenders are \\\'\\\'poisoned\\\'\\\' and can\\\'t pass their styles on to the Water Tribes, as only the hybrid Fire/Water culture of Byakko has the ability to pass on that training without passing on the trauma. It\\\'s even worse in Embers than it is in canon - the Fire Nation didn\\\'t just exterminate the SWT waterbending style, they \\\'\\\'\\\'stole\\\'\\\'\\\' it.
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Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\'t, ergo \
to:
Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\\\'t, ergo \\\"Katara attacked Zuko. If she was controlled by the sea serpent, it\\\'s her own fault for being too weak and/or ignorant to resist it. Aang has no right to be angry with Zuko for killing her in self-defense.\\\" Thus outcome B would still lead to outcomes A and C, only as the result of an Avatar-state tantrum that would have alienated his ghost parents. The bad guys are fine with outcome C, but they would have preferred B.
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Oh, and I still support the \\\"waterbender prison/research facility\\\" theory. So does [[http://audreymgonzalez.com/2012/book-three-fire-chapter-eight-the-puppetmaster/ this guy]].
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It’s not like a Fire Nation general just waltzed into Water Tribe territory and was able to study them up close and personal. The Water Tribes really aren’t bastions of cultural exchange and openness, and their remoteness makes it a bit difficult for people to visit them.

So how could Iroh have seriously studied waterbenders? My first thought was Hama and the other Water Tribe POWs. He could have had access to them as a general, and the Fire Nation surely did something else with the waterbenders than just keep them locked up in cages the whole time.
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Also, this part\\\'s relevant, too;
----
It didn’t occur to me before this episode that Katara doesn’t actually know Southern Water Tribe waterbending. She had self-taught herself a few techniques—making tiny waves and throwing water around occasionally—but all of her teaching has been from the Northern Water Tribe. Even the waterbending scroll she stole from the pirates was from the Northern Water Tribe. Of course Katara would jump at the chance to have Hama teach her the Southern Water Tribe’s waterbending traditions AKA the heritage she has never been able to learn and thought was lost. And now that Hama is presumably set to die in prison and it’s highly doubtful that any other southern waterbenders survived, that heritage is effectively dead. This means that the Fire Nation not only wiped out all but one Air Nomad, but they also completely wiped out the Southern Water Tribe style of waterbending.
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...the Lituya Bay waterbenders are \\\'\\\'poisoned\\\'\\\' and can\\\'t pass their styles on to the Water Tribes, as only the hybrid Fire/Water culture of Byakko has the ability to pass on that training without passing on the trauma. It\\\'s even worse in Embers than it is in canon - the Fire Nation didn\\\'t just exterminate the SWT waterbending style, they \\\'\\\'\\\'stole\\\'\\\'\\\' it.
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Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\'t, ergo \
to:
Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\\\'t, ergo \\\"Katara attacked Zuko. If she was controlled by the sea serpent, it\\\'s her own fault for being too weak and/or ignorant to resist it. Aang has no right to be angry with Zuko for killing her in self-defense.\\\" Thus outcome B would still lead to outcomes A and C, only as the result of an Avatar-state tantrum that would have alienated his ghost parents. The bad guys are fine with outcome C, but they would have preferred B.
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Oh, and I still support the \\\"waterbender prison/research facility\\\" theory. So does [[http://audreymgonzalez.com/2012/book-three-fire-chapter-eight-the-puppetmaster/ this guy]].
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It’s not like a Fire Nation general just waltzed into Water Tribe territory and was able to study them up close and personal. The Water Tribes really aren’t bastions of cultural exchange and openness, and their remoteness makes it a bit difficult for people to visit them.

So how could Iroh have seriously studied waterbenders? My first thought was Hama and the other Water Tribe POWs. He could have had access to them as a general, and the Fire Nation surely did something else with the waterbenders than just keep them locked up in cages the whole time.
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Also, this part\\\'s relevant, too;
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It didn’t occur to me before this episode that Katara doesn’t actually know Southern Water Tribe waterbending. She had self-taught herself a few techniques—making tiny waves and throwing water around occasionally—but all of her teaching has been from the Northern Water Tribe. Even the waterbending scroll she stole from the pirates was from the Northern Water Tribe. Of course Katara would jump at the chance to have Hama teach her the Southern Water Tribe’s waterbending traditions AKA the heritage she has never been able to learn and thought was lost. And now that Hama is presumably set to die in prison and it’s highly doubtful that any other southern waterbenders survived, that heritage is effectively dead. This means that the Fire Nation not only wiped out all but one Air Nomad, but they also completely wiped out the Southern Water Tribe style of waterbending.
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...the Lituya Bay waterbenders are \\\'\\\'poisoned\\\'\\\' and can\\\'t pass their styles on to the Water Tribes, as only the hybrid Fire/Water culture of Byakko has the to pass on that training without passing on the trauma. It\\\'s even worse in Embers than it is in canon - the Fire Nation didn\\\'t just exterminate the SWT waterbending style, they \\\'\\\'\\\'stole\\\'\\\'\\\' it.
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Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\'t, ergo \
to:
Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\\\'t, ergo \\\"Katara attacked Zuko. If she was controlled by the sea serpent, it\\\'s her own fault for being too weak and/or ignorant to resist it. Aang has no right to be angry with Zuko for killing her in self-defense.\\\" Thus outcome B would still lead to outcomes A and C, only as the result of an Avatar-state tantrum that would have alienated his ghost parents. The bad guys are fine with outcome C, but they would have preferred B.
----
Oh, and I still support the \\\"waterbender prison/research facility\\\" theory. So does [[http://audreymgonzalez.com/2012/book-three-fire-chapter-eight-the-puppetmaster/ this guy]].
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It’s not like a Fire Nation general just waltzed into Water Tribe territory and was able to study them up close and personal. The Water Tribes really aren’t bastions of cultural exchange and openness, and their remoteness makes it a bit difficult for people to visit them.

So how could Iroh have seriously studied waterbenders? My first thought was Hama and the other Water Tribe POWs. He could have had access to them as a general, and the Fire Nation surely did something else with the waterbenders than just keep them locked up in cages the whole time.
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Also, this part still applies;
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It didn’t occur to me before this episode that Katara doesn’t actually know Southern Water Tribe waterbending. She had self-taught herself a few techniques—making tiny waves and throwing water around occasionally—but all of her teaching has been from the Northern Water Tribe. Even the waterbending scroll she stole from the pirates was from the Northern Water Tribe. Of course Katara would jump at the chance to have Hama teach her the Southern Water Tribe’s waterbending traditions AKA the heritage she has never been able to learn and thought was lost. And now that Hama is presumably set to die in prison and it’s highly doubtful that any other southern waterbenders survived, that heritage is effectively dead. This means that the Fire Nation not only wiped out all but one Air Nomad, but they also completely wiped out the Southern Water Tribe style of waterbending.
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...the Lituya Bay waterbenders are \\\'\\\'poisoned\\\'\\\' and can\\\'t pass their styles on to the Water Tribes, as only the hybrid Fire/Water culture of Byakko has the to pass on that training without passing on the trauma. It\\\'s even worse in Embers than it is in canon - the Fire Nation didn\\\'t just exterminate the SWT waterbending style, they \\\'\\\'\\\'stole\\\'\\\'\\\' it.
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Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\'t, ergo \
to:
Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\\\'t, ergo \\\"Katara attacked Zuko. If she was controlled by the sea serpent, it\\\'s her own fault for being too weak and/or ignorant to resist it. Aang has no right to be angry with Zuko for killing her in self-defense.\\\" Thus outcome B would still lead to outcomes A and C, only as the result of an Avatar-state tantrum that would have alienated his ghost parents. The bad guys are fine with outcome C, but they would have preferred B.
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Oh, and I still support the \\\"waterbender prison/research facility\\\" theory. So does [[http://audreymgonzalez.com/2012/book-three-fire-chapter-eight-the-puppetmaster/ this guy]].
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It’s not like a Fire Nation general just waltzed into Water Tribe territory and was able to study them up close and personal. The Water Tribes really aren’t bastions of cultural exchange and openness, and their remoteness makes it a bit difficult for people to visit them.

So how could Iroh have seriously studied waterbenders? My first thought was Hama and the other Water Tribe POWs. He could have had access to them as a general, and the Fire Nation surely did something else with the waterbenders than just keep them locked up in cages the whole time.
Changed line(s) 1 from:
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Oh, and I forgot; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\'t, ergo \
to:
Oh, and I forgot to ask; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\\\'t, ergo \\\"Katara attacked Zuko. If she was controlled by the sea serpent, it\\\'s her own fault for being too weak and/or ignorant to resist it. Aang has no right to be angry with Zuko for killing her in self-defense.\\\" Thus outcome B would still lead to outcomes A and C, only as the result of an Avatar-state tantrum that would have alienated his ghost parents. The bad guys are fine with outcome C, but they would have preferred B.
Changed line(s) 1 from:
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Oh, and I forgot; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\'t, ergo \
to:
Oh, and I forgot; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\\\'t, ergo \\\"Katara attacked Zuko. If she was controlled by the sea serpent, it\\\'s her own fault for being too weak and/or ignorant to resist it. Aang has no right to be angry with Zuko for killing her in self-defense.\\\" Thus outcome B would still lead to outcomes A and C, only as the result of an Avatar-state tantrum that would have alienated his ghost parents. The bad guys are fine with outcome C, but they would have preferred B.
Changed line(s) 1 from:
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Oh, and I forgot; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\'t, ergo \
to:
Oh, and I forgot; would guest right recognize the influence of the sea serpent? My law-dickery instinct says it wouldn\\\'t, ergo \\\"Katara attacked Zuko. If she was controlled by the sea serpent, it\\\'s her own fault for being too weak and/or ignorant to resist it. Aang has no right to be angry with Zuko for killing her in self-defense.\\\" Thus outcome B would still lead to outcomes A and C, only as the result of an Avatar-state tantrum that would have horrified his ghost parents. The bad guys are fine with outcome C, but they would have preferred B.
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