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Of course, yeah, that was his historical self. However, this is DynastyWarriors not a lesson of history of China. If Guan Yu isn\\\'t being portrayed as an insufferable JerkAss in the game, that entry cannot be in the article.
Also as of the DirtyCoward entry, I think that was not really the case for Jiang Wei, even if it\\\'s about HonorBeforeReason. Jiang Wei had to save Xiahou Ba who just got into his kingdom, and the current quickest way is to shoot Guo Huai on the back. Had to do it, or Xiahou Ba died. So that\\\'s why I think it\\\'s more about CombatPragmatist. I say this while still acknowledging that he\\\'s becoming the aggresively suicidal {{Determinator}}.
The thing is, I\\\'m getting this as an \\\'Anti-Shu\\\' bias because these entries, especially in the YMMV ones, is heavily bashing that Koei is whitewashing Shu too much. I\\\'m not sure that was really whitewashing when Jiang Wei post-Wu Zhang Plains is portrayed as the one who kept clinging into an old value that proves to be destructive while Sima Zhao was the one trying to usher the new age not bound with old values, something that even Liu Shan agreed. In Guan Yu\\\'s case, sure his gigantic pride seems to be poof, gone. But, because the editors just loved to bring that up in annoyance, it was there I got the feeling of \\\'Anti Shu\\\' bias, it\\\'s like the editors were saying \\\"Shu wasn\\\'t as that great as Koei presented them, they\\\'re actually horrid! Here\\\'s the real truth, taken from the pages of history!\\\" That\\\'s why I went around and gave warnings about NOT putting things exclusive in novel and actual history. As in the YMMV page, all the \\\'negative\\\' stuffs like CreatorsPet were put on Shu, mostly. Wei, Wu or Jin never got such heavy bashing... really. That\\\'s why I said bias.
Sorry about this rant. Hope you understand where I come from. I like Shu the way they are, with their flaws and whitewashing, both of them. But these \\\'historical\\\' putting sounded like calling me as a fool to not listen to history, when all I want is to appreciate both good and bad as presented IN THE GAME, if I want history, I read history books. Sorry for being overly sensitive, but sometimes, this is a form of FanDumb forming up in the DW fandom. Maybe we should put this as a YMMV trope somewhere...
Also as of the DirtyCoward entry, I think that was not really the case for Jiang Wei, even if it\\\'s about HonorBeforeReason. Jiang Wei had to save Xiahou Ba who just got into his kingdom, and the current quickest way is to shoot Guo Huai on the back. Had to do it, or Xiahou Ba died. So that\\\'s why I think it\\\'s more about CombatPragmatist. I say this while still acknowledging that he\\\'s becoming the aggresively suicidal {{Determinator}}.
The thing is, I\\\'m getting this as an \\\'Anti-Shu\\\' bias because these entries, especially in the YMMV ones, is heavily bashing that Koei is whitewashing Shu too much. I\\\'m not sure that was really whitewashing when Jiang Wei post-Wu Zhang Plains is portrayed as the one who kept clinging into an old value that proves to be destructive while Sima Zhao was the one trying to usher the new age not bound with old values, something that even Liu Shan agreed. In Guan Yu\\\'s case, sure his gigantic pride seems to be poof, gone. But, because the editors just loved to bring that up in annoyance, it was there I got the feeling of \\\'Anti Shu\\\' bias, it\\\'s like the editors were saying \\\"Shu wasn\\\'t as that great as Koei presented them, they\\\'re actually horrid! Here\\\'s the real truth, taken from the pages of history!\\\" That\\\'s why I went around and gave warnings about NOT putting things exclusive in novel and actual history. As in the YMMV page, all the \\\'negative\\\' stuffs like CreatorsPet were put on Shu, mostly. Wei, Wu or Jin never got such heavy bashing... really. That\\\'s why I said bias.
Sorry about this rant. Hope you understand where I come from. I like Shu the way they are, with their flaws and whitewashing, both of them. But these \\\'historical\\\' putting sounded like calling me as a fool to not listen to history, when all I want is to appreciate both good and bad as presented IN THE GAME, if I want history, I read history books. Sorry for being overly sensitive, but sometimes, this is a form of FanDumb forming up in the DW fandom. Maybe we should put this as a YMMV trope somewhere...
