Discussion History Film / AttackOfTheClones

\\\"The set-up is a trope; the \\\"something else\\\" is the subversion. \\\'\\\'\\\'It is a deliberate act on the part of the characters, as though they are expecting the trope themselves.\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (Emphasis added.)

Isn\\\'t that DefiedTrope? I mean, I can\\\'t say for sure that has\\\'t always been there and I just didn\\\'t notice it and misused \\\"subverted\\\" to mean, you know, cases where a trope is clearly set up and then doesn\\\'t happen, even without deliberate acts on part of characters... but this seems to make this the same as defied trope (or \\\"successfully defied trope with setup visible to the audience\\\"), it doesn\\\'t fit all the examples in the description (\\\"something else\\\" breaks the glass first, not \\\"someone deliberately to prevent the car colliding with it\\\") nor really the rest of the description itself, and it generally doesn\\\'t make sense to me.

So I\\\'m going to assume that\\\'s a mistake and remove it (the latter sentence). Reply here if I am mistaken myself. And feel free to undo my removing it if you have good reason -- I\\\'m not very confident changing the description of such an über-trope. But if it really is wrong here where people are advised to read it carefully, prompt action is needed. And I honestly can\\\'t see how it could be right, not with DefiedTrope a separate thing.

\\\"The set-up is a trope; the \\\"something else\\\" is the subversion. \\\'\\\'\\\'It is a deliberate act on the part of the characters, as though they are expecting the trope themselves.\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (Emphasis added.)

Isn\\\'t that DefiedTrope? I mean, I can\\\'t say for sure that has\\\'t always been there and I just didn\\\'t notice it and misused \\\"subverted\\\" to mean, you know, cases where a trope is clearly set up and then doesn\\\'t happen, even without deliberate acts on part of characters... but this seems to make this the same as defied trope (or \\\"defied trope with setup visible to the audience\\\"), it doesn\\\'t fit all the examples in the description (\\\"something else\\\" breaks the glass first, not \\\"someone deliberately to prevent the car colliding with it\\\") nor really the rest of the description itself, and it generally doesn\\\'t make sense to me.

So I\\\'m going to assume that\\\'s a mistake and remove it (the latter sentence). Reply here if I am mistaken myself. And feel free to undo my removing it if you have good reason -- I\\\'m not very confident changing the description of such an über-trope. But if it really is wrong here where people are advised to read it carefully, prompt action is needed. And I honestly can\\\'t see how it could be right, not with DefiedTrope a separate thing.

\\\"The set-up is a trope; the \\\"something else\\\" is the subversion. \\\'\\\'\\\'It is a deliberate act on the part of the characters, as though they are expecting the trope themselves.\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (Emphasis added.)

Isn\\\'t that DefiedTrope? I mean, I can\\\'t say for sure that has\\\'t always been there and I just didn\\\'t notice it and misused \\\"subverted\\\" to mean, you know, cases where a trope is clearly set up and then doesn\\\'t happen, even without deliberate acts on part of characters... but this seems to make this the same as defied trope (or \\\"defied trope with setup visible to the audience\\\"), it doesn\\\'t fit all the examples in the description (\\\"something else\\\" breaks the glass first, not \\\"someone deliberately to prevent the car colliding with it\\\") nor really the rest of the description itself, and it generally doesn\\\'t make sense to me.

So I\\\'m going to assume that\\\'s a mistake and remove it (the latter sentence). Reply here if I am mistaken myself. And feel free to undo my removing it if you have good reason -- I\\\'m not very confident changing the description of such an über-trope. But if it really is wrong here where people are advised to read it carefully, prompt action is needed.

\\\"The set-up is a trope; the \\\"something else\\\" is the subversion. \\\'\\\'\\\'It is a deliberate act on the part of the characters, as though they are expecting the trope themselves.\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (Emphasis added.)

Isn\\\'t that DefiedTrope? I mean, I can\\\'t say for sure that has\\\'t always been there and I just didn\\\'t notice it and misused \\\"subverted\\\" to mean, you know, cases where a trope is clearly set up and then doesn\\\'t happen, even without deliberate acts on part of characters... but this seems to make this the same as defied trope (or \\\"defied trope with setup visible to the audience\\\"), it doesn\\\'t fit all the examples in the description (\\\"something else\\\" breaks the glass first, not \\\"someone deliberately\\\") nor really the rest of the description itself, and it generally doesn\\\'t make sense to me.

So I\\\'m going to assume that\\\'s a mistake and remove it (the latter sentence). Reply here if I am mistaken myself. And feel free to undo my removing it if you have good reason -- I\\\'m not very confident changing the description of such an über-trope. But if it really is wrong here where people are advised to read it carefully, prompt action is needed.

\\\"The set-up is a trope; the \\\"something else\\\" is the subversion. \\\'\\\'\\\'It is a deliberate act on the part of the characters, as though they are expecting the trope themselves.\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (Emphasis added.)

Isn\\\'t that DefiedTrope? I mean, I can\\\'t say for sure that has\\\'t always been there and I just didn\\\'t notice it and misused \\\"subverted\\\" to mean, you know, cases where a trope is clearly set up and then doesn\\\'t happen, even without deliberate acts on part of characters... but this seems to make this the same as defied trope (or \\\"defied trope with setup visible to the audience\\\"), it doesn\\\'t fit all the examples in the description (\\\"something else\\\" breaks the glass first, not \\\"someone deliberately\\\") nor really the rest of the description itself, and it generally doesn\\\'t make sense to me.

So I\\\'m going to assume that\\\'s a mistake and remove it (the latter sentence). Reply here if I am mistaken myself. And feel free to undo my removing it if you have good reason -- I\\\'m not very confident changing the description of such an über-trope.

\\\"The set-up is a trope; the \\\"something else\\\" is the subversion. \\\'\\\'\\\'It is a deliberate act on the part of the characters, as though they are expecting the trope themselves.\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (Emphasis added.)

Isn\\\'t that DefiedTrope? I mean, I can\\\'t say for sure that has\\\'t always been there and I just didn\\\'t notice it and misused \\\"subverted\\\" to mean, you know, cases where a trope is clearly set up and then doesn\\\'t happen, even without deliberate acts on part of characters... but this seems to make this the same as defied trope (or \\\"defied trope with setup visible to the audience\\\"), it doesn\\\'t fit all the examples in the description (\\\"something else\\\" breaks the glass first, not \\\"someone deliberately\\\") nor really the rest of the description itself, and it generally doesn\\\'t make sense to me.

So I\\\'m going to assume that\\\'s a mistake and remove it. Reply here if I am mistaken myself. And feel free to undo my removing it if you have good reason -- I\\\'m not very confident changing the description of such an über-trope.

\\\"The set-up is a trope; the \\\"something else\\\" is the subversion. \\\'\\\'\\\'It is a deliberate act on the part of the characters, as though they are expecting the trope themselves.\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (Emphasis added.)

Isn\\\'t that DefiedTrope? I mean, I can\\\'t say for sure that has\\\'t always been there and I just didn\\\'t notice it and misused \\\"subverted\\\" to mean, you know, cases where a trope is set up and then doesn\\\'t happen, even without deliberate acts on part of characters... but this seems to make this the same as defied trope (or \\\"defied trope with setup visible to the audience\\\"), it doesn\\\'t fit all the examples in the description (\\\"something else\\\" breaks the glass first, not \\\"someone deliberately\\\") nor really the rest of the description itself, and it generally doesn\\\'t make sense to me.

So I\\\'m going to assume that\\\'s a mistake and remove it. Reply here if I am mistaken myself. And feel free to undo my removing it if you have good reason -- I\\\'m not very confident changing the description of such an über-trope.

\\\"The set-up is a trope; the \\\"something else\\\" is the subversion. \\\'\\\'\\\'It is a deliberate act on the part of the characters, as though they are expecting the trope themselves.\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (Emphasis added.)

Isn\\\'t that DefiedTrope? I mean, I can\\\'t say for sure that has\\\'t always been there and I just didn\\\'t notice it and misused \\\"suverted\\\" to mean, you know, cases where a trope is set up and then doesn\\\'t happen, even without deliberate acts on part of characters... but this seems to make this the same as defied trope (or \\\"defied trope with setup visible to the audience\\\"), it doesn\\\'t fit all the examples in the description (\\\"something else\\\" breaks the glass first, not \\\"someone deliberately\\\") nor really the rest of the description itself, and it generally doesn\\\'t make sense to me.

So I\\\'m going to assume that\\\'s a mistake and remove it. Reply here if I am mistaken myself. And feel free to undo my removing it if you have good reason -- I\\\'m not very confident changing the description of such an über-trope.

\\\"The set-up is a trope; the \\\"something else\\\" is the subversion. \\\'\\\'\\\'It is a deliberate act on the part of the characters, as though they are expecting the trope themselves.\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (Emphasis added.)

Isn\\\'t that DefiedTrope? I mean, I can\\\'t say for sure that has\\\'t always been there and I just didn\\\'t notice it and misused \\\"suverted\\\" to mean, you know, cases where a trope is set up and then doesn\\\'t happen, even without deliberate acts on part of characters... but this seems to make this the same as defied trope (or \\\"defied trope with setup visible to the audience\\\"), it doesn\\\'t fit all the examples in the description nor really the rest of the description itself, and it generally doesn\\\'t make sense to me.

So I\\\'m going to assume that\\\'s a mistake and remove it. Reply here if I am mistaken myself. And feel free to undo my removing it if you have good reason -- I\\\'m not very confident changing the description of such an über-trope.

\\\"The set-up is a trope; the \\\"something else\\\" is the subversion. \\\'\\\'\\\'It is a deliberate act on the part of the characters, as though they are expecting the trope themselves.\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\" (Emphasis added.)

Isn\\\'t that DefiedTrope? I mean, I can\\\'t say for sure that has\\\'t always been there and I just didn\\\'t notice it and misused \\\"suverted\\\" to mean, you know, cases where a trope is set up and then doesn\\\'t happen, even without deliberate acts on part of characters... but this seems to make this the same as defied trope (or \\\"defied trope with setup visible to the audience\\\"), it doesn\\\'t fit all the examples in the descrption, and it generally doesn\\\'t make sense to me.

So I\\\'m going to assume that\\\'s a mistake and remove it. Reply here if I am mistaken myself. And feel free to undo my removing it if you have good reason -- I\\\'m not very confident changing the description of such an über-trope.

* TakeThat: Does anyone honestly believe that the line, \\\"Open fire on those [[Franchise/StarTrek Federation starships]]\\\", is purely coincidence?

Whether you believe it or not, it takes more than just a hunch, and preferably WordOfGod, to be a TakeThat.