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Sarcasm? That kinda sounds like the thrust of a lot of those entries. There being a lot of them doesn\\\'t make them tropes. All right, to be fair, this entry DOES go a little into who uses axes. Which is a bit more specific than \\\"people\\\". We see dwarves cited as typical axe users. So that is a cliche we see this playing into. But isn\\\'t the trope the cliche itself, not just the component? \\\"Dwarves use axes\\\" is a trope, but it doesn\\\'t mean \\\"axes\\\" are a trope any more than \\\"Stereotypical drag queens wear dresses\\\" makes dresses themselves a trope. \\\"Construction crew workers aimlessly using jackhammers to some vague purpose\\\" is a trope (and for that matter, so are vague purposes). I\\\'m not convinced \\\"jackhammers\\\" are a trope. The problem, I think, is that this entry isn\\\'t \\\"tropes about axes\\\". It\\\'s just \\\"axes\\\".
I know I conceded initially it goes a bit into who uses them, which helps, but we could go a bit into who sits in chairs too. We get the example of the BigGuy using axes. Doesn\\\'t that just mean axes are part of the BigGuy trope?

Let me put it another way. Can someone explain to me how \\\"Using an axe as a weapon\\\" is more of a trope than \\\"Using a chair as something to sit on\\\"? Is there something that makes this substantially more than that? I may well just be comprehending it in the wrong light. My question\\\'s not just rhetorical.

I should add, I have no problem with WeaponOfChoice, as that looks at the trope of weapons being matched to character concepts/archetypes, which is most manifestly a trope. Some of the individual weapon pages, though...

Sarcasm? That kinda sounds like the thrust of a lot of those entries. All right, to be fair, this entry DOES go a little into who uses axes. Which is a bit more specific than \\\"people\\\". We see dwarves cited as typical axe users. So that is a cliche we see this playing into. But isn\\\'t the trope the cliche itself, not just the component? \\\"Dwarves use axes\\\" is a trope, but it doesn\\\'t mean \\\"axes\\\" are a trope any more than \\\"Stereotypical drag queens wear dresses\\\" makes dresses themselves a trope. \\\"Construction crew workers aimlessly using jackhammers to some vague purpose\\\" is a trope (and for that matter, so are vague purposes). I\\\'m not convinced \\\"jackhammers\\\" are a trope. The problem, I think, is that this entry isn\\\'t \\\"tropes about axes\\\". It\\\'s just \\\"axes\\\".
I know I conceded initially it goes a bit into who uses them, which helps, but we could go a bit into who sits in chairs too. We get the example of the BigGuy using axes. Doesn\\\'t that just mean axes are part of the BigGuy trope?

Let me put it another way. Can someone explain to me how \\\"Using an axe as a weapon\\\" is more of a trope than \\\"Using a chair as something to sit on\\\"? Is there something that makes this substantially more than that? I may well just be comprehending it in the wrong light. My question\\\'s not just rhetorical.

I should add, I have no problem with WeaponOfChoice, as that looks at the trope of weapons being matched to character concepts/archetypes, which is most manifestly a trope. Some of the individual weapon pages, though...

Sarcasm? That kinda sounds like the thrust of a lot of those entries. All right, to be fair, this entry DOES go a little into who uses axes. Which is a bit more specific than \\\"people\\\". We see dwarves cited as typical axe users. So that is a cliche we see this playing into. But isn\\\'t the trope the cliche itself, not just the component? \\\"Dwarves use axes\\\" is a trope, but it doesn\\\'t mean \\\"axes\\\" are a trope any more than \\\"Stereotypical drag queens wear dresses\\\" makes dresses themselves a trope. \\\"Construction crew workers aimlessly using jackhammers to some vague purpose\\\" is a trope (and for that matter, so are vague purposes). I\\\'m not convinced \\\"jackhammers\\\" are a trope. The problem, I think, is that this entry isn\\\'t \\\"tropes about axes\\\". It\\\'s just \\\"axes\\\".
I know I conceded initially it goes a bit into who uses them, which helps, but we could go a bit into who sits in chairs too. We get the example of the BigGuy using axes. Doesn\\\'t that just mean axes are part of the BigGuy trope?

Let me put it another way. Can someone explain to me how \\\"Using an axe as a weapon\\\" is more of a trope than \\\"Using a chair as something to sit on\\\"? Is there something that makes this substantially more than that? I may well just be comprehending it in the wrong light. My question\\\'s not just rhetorical.

Sarcasm? That kinda sounds like the thrust of a lot of those entries. All right, to be fair, this entry DOES go a little into who uses axes. Which is a bit more specific than \\\"people\\\". We see dwarves cited as typical axe users. So that is a cliche we see this playing into. But isn\\\'t the trope the cliche itself, not just the component? \\\"Dwarves use axes\\\" is a trope, but it doesn\\\'t mean \\\"axes\\\" are a trope any more than \\\"Stereotypical drag queens wear dresses\\\" makes dresses themselves a trope. The problem, I think, is that this entry isn\\\'t \\\"tropes about axes\\\". It\\\'s just \\\"axes\\\".
I know I conceded initially it goes a bit into who uses them, which helps, but we could go a bit into who sits in chairs too. We get the example of the BigGuy using axes. Doesn\\\'t that just mean axes are part of the BigGuy trope?

Let me put it another way. Can someone explain to me how \\\"Using an axe as a weapon\\\" is more of a trope than \\\"Using a chair as something to sit on\\\"? Is there something that makes this substantially more than that? I may well just be comprehending it in the wrong light. My question\\\'s not just rhetorical.

Sarcasm? That kinda sounds like the thrust of a lot of those entries. All right, to be fair, this entry DOES go a little into who uses axes. Which is a bit more specific than \\\"people\\\". We see dwarves cited as typical axe users. So that is a cliche we see this playing into. But isn\\\'t the trope the cliche itself, not just the component? \\\"Dwarves use axes\\\" is a trope, but it doesn\\\'t mean \\\"axes\\\" are a trope any more than \\\"Stereotypical drag queens wear dresses\\\" makes dresses themselves a trope. The problem, I think, is that this entry isn\\\'t \\\"tropes about axes\\\". It\\\'s just \\\"axes\\\".
I know I conceded initially it goes a bit into who uses them, which helps, but we could go a bit into who sits in chairs too. We get the example of the BigGuy using axes. Doesn\\\'t that just mean axes are part of the BigGuy trope?

Let me put it another way. Can someone explain to me how \\\"Using an axe as a weapon\\\" is more of a trope than \\\"Using a chair as something to sit on\\\"?

Sarcasm? That kinda sounds like the thrust of a lot of those entries. All right, to be fair, this entry DOES go a little into who uses axes. Which is a bit more specific than \\\"people\\\". We see dwarves cited as typical axe users. So that is a cliche we see this playing into. But isn\\\'t the trope the cliche itself, not just the component? \\\"Dwarves use axes\\\" is a trope, but it doesn\\\'t mean \\\"axes\\\" are a trope any more than \\\"Stereotypical drag queens wear dresses\\\" makes dresses themselves a trope. The problem, I think, is that this entry isn\\\'t \\\"tropes about axes\\\". It\\\'s just \\\"axes\\\".
I know I conceded initially it goes a bit into who uses them, which helps, but we could go a bit into who sits in chairs too. We get the example of the BigGuy using axes. Doesn\\\'t that just mean axes are part of the BigGuy trope?

Sarcasm? That kinda sounds like the thrust of a lot of those entries. All right, to be fair, this entry DOES go a little into who uses axes. Which is a bit more specific than \\\"people\\\". Some of the other entries, I admit, do a better job of weighing this. It could go into more detail. WHY is it used by these people? What\\\'s the effect built towards? We see dwarves cited as typical axe users. So that is a cliche we see this playing into. But isn\\\'t the trope the cliche itself, not just the component? \\\"Dwarves use axes\\\" is a trope, but it doesn\\\'t mean \\\"axes\\\" are a trope any more than \\\"Stereotypical drag queens wear dresses\\\" makes dresses themselves a trope. The problem, I think, is that this entry isn\\\'t \\\"tropes about axes\\\". It\\\'s just \\\"axes\\\".
I know I conceded initially it goes a bit into who uses them, which helps, but we could go a bit into who sits in chairs too. We get the example of the BigGuy using axes. Doesn\\\'t that just mean axes are part of the BigGuy trope?

All right, to be fair, this entry DOES go a little into who uses axes. Which is a bit more specific than \\\"people\\\". Some of the other entries, I admit, do a better job of weighing this. It could go into more detail. WHY is it used by these people? What\\\'s the effect built towards? We see dwarves cited as typical axe users. So that is a cliche we see this playing into. But isn\\\'t the trope the cliche itself, not just the component? \\\"Dwarves use axes\\\" is a trope, but it doesn\\\'t mean \\\"axes\\\" are a trope any more than \\\"Stereotypical drag queens wear dresses\\\" makes dresses themselves a trope. The problem, I think, is that this entry isn\\\'t \\\"tropes about axes\\\". It\\\'s just \\\"axes\\\".
I know I conceded initially it goes a bit into who uses them, which helps, but we could go a bit into who sits in chairs too.

All right, to be fair, this entry DOES go a little into who uses axes. Which is a bit more specific than \\\"people\\\". Some of the other entries, I admit, do a better job of weighing this. It could go into more detail. WHY is it used by these people? What\\\'s the effect built towards? We see dwarves cited as typical axe users. So that is a cliche we see this playing into. But isn\\\'t the trope the cliche itself, not just the component? \\\"Dwarves use axes\\\" is a trope, but it doesn\\\'t mean \\\"axes\\\" are a trope any more than \\\"Stereotypical drag queens wearing dresses\\\" makes dresses themselves a trope. The problem, I think, is that this entry isn\\\'t \\\"tropes about axes\\\". It\\\'s just \\\"axes\\\".
I know I conceded initially it goes a bit into who uses them, which helps, but we could go a bit into who sits in chairs too.

All right, to be fair, this entry DOES go a little into who uses axes. Which is a bit more specific than \\\"people\\\". Some of the other entries, I admit, do a better job of weighing this. It could go into more detail. WHY is it used by these people? What\\\'s the effect built towards? We see dwarves cited as typical axe users. So that is a cliche we see this playing into. But isn\\\'t the trope the cliche itself, not just the component? \\\"Big bruisers with big slow powerful axes\\\" is a trope, but it doesn\\\'t mean \\\"axes\\\" are a trope any more than \\\"Stereotypical drag queens wearing dresses\\\" makes dresses themselves a trope. The problem, I think, is that this entry isn\\\'t \\\"tropes about axes\\\". It\\\'s just \\\"axes\\\".
I know I conceded initially it goes a bit into who uses them, which helps, but we could go a bit into who sits in chairs too.

There\\\'s a difference. DropTheHammer, for example, goes into how this trope works, in narrative terms. Who uses it? Why? What sorts of characters are hammers important to?

Sarcasm? That sounds like exactly the message being sent. Please explain to me what more is being said by \\\"DropTheHammer\\\" than \\\"Hammers get used as weapons sometimes. Here\\\'s a list\\\"?
WeaponOfChoice is actually a decent entry, because it looks at WHO uses certain weapons and why. Weapons being used to certain dramatic effect, or in a certain way, or as a certain cliche, or as part of a specific style or theme? Those are tropes. Some of the weapon wielding entries themselves, however, communicate nothing more than \\\"this weapon is often used\\\".