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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 22nd 2021 at 2:57:46 AM •••

Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Not Tropeworthy, started by Venatius on May 3rd 2012 at 10:14:50 PM

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 20th 2021 at 10:33:07 AM •••

Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Not Tropeworthy, started by Venatius on Sep 26th 2014 at 8:40:05 AM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Venatius (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
May 10th 2016 at 4:21:11 AM •••

So... this kinda just coasted in and out of the Trope Repair Shop unchanged and untouched (and, not that I can even find its entry any more, consensus there was it probably just needed removed anyway, along with the other "weapon X exists" tropes). Since it's been about four years, NOW can we pass it along to the cutlist? Edit: Whoops! Looks like it's actually an item on a thread regarding weaponry tropes over on the long-term projects forum, where it's been sitting for... two years. Eesh.

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nombretomado (Season 1)
Oct 23rd 2016 at 9:29:05 AM •••

Please bump it. If confirmed, it needs to be de-wicked before it will be cut.

Venatius (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Oct 28th 2016 at 7:35:13 PM •••

Bump complete. I'll get back to you in another two years.

secretbison Since: Jan, 2011
Mar 14th 2011 at 6:14:52 PM •••

I don't see a trope here. The only message seems to be that sometimes people swing axes, just like People Sit On Chairs.

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CrystalGlacia (Living Relic)
Jan 11th 2012 at 3:12:08 PM •••

That doesn't mean that you should just send it to the cutlist; you could've at least sent it to TRS for review.

Edited by CrystalGlacia "Jack, you have debauched my sloth."
GreatLimmick Since: Jan, 2001
Jan 11th 2012 at 11:02:23 PM •••

The fact that a particular person uses an axe says something about the person using it. And if this is People Sit On Chairs, so are at least 10% of the Weapons and Wielding Tropes— the ones about exactly which weapon is being wielded.

Venatius (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Jan 12th 2012 at 1:39:48 PM •••

Great Limmick, you say that as though there being a lot of them somehow means they are tropes. An arbitrary number of similar pages existing doesn't make this a trope, it just means there are a lot of sitting-on-chairs entries out there. The trope-like elements this page does offer could very easily be included on the pages of the actual tropes referenced (such as Bruisers favoring axes).

GreatLimmick Since: Jan, 2001
Jan 16th 2012 at 6:50:15 PM •••

What kind of bruisers, though? Boisterous, Lightning, or Cute? Then there's the Mighty Glacier, Glacier Waif, Big Guy, Pintsized Powerhouse, and Super-Strong Child. And the fact that a lot of these people eschew axes entirely, relying on a BFS, a Blade On A Stick, or Good Old Fisticuffs, or prefer to Drop The Hammer or Carry a Big Stick.

If you think we should drop Weapon Of Choice and its subtropes plus a few other Weapons and Wielding Tropes besides that because People Fight With Weapons, that's fine. I just wanted to be sure that's what you wanted.

Arawn444 Since: Jan, 2012
Jan 18th 2012 at 3:21:38 PM •••

If that's the case, then why don't we get rid of all those weapon categories, because the only message is that sometimes people wield oversized swords, pole arms, their bare hands, hammers, or staves? (I'm being sarcastic here). A lot of the tropes on this website could be removed for that very reason.

Venatius (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Jan 20th 2012 at 1:35:14 PM •••

Sarcasm? That kinda sounds like the thrust of a lot of those entries. There being a lot of them doesn't make them tropes. All right, to be fair, this entry DOES go a little into who uses axes. Which is a bit more specific than "people". We see dwarves cited as typical axe users. So that is a cliche we see this playing into. But isn't the trope the cliche itself, not just the component? "Dwarves use axes" is a trope, but it doesn't mean "axes" are a trope any more than "Stereotypical drag queens wear dresses" makes dresses themselves a trope. "Construction crew workers aimlessly using jackhammers to some vague purpose" is a trope (and for that matter, so are vague purposes). I'm not convinced "jackhammers" are a trope. The problem, I think, is that this entry isn't "tropes about axes". It's just "axes". I know I conceded initially it goes a bit into who uses them, which helps, but we could go a bit into who sits in chairs too. We get the example of the Big Guy using axes. Doesn't that just mean axes are part of the Big Guy trope?

Let me put it another way. Can someone explain to me how "Using an axe as a weapon" is more of a trope than "Using a chair as something to sit on"? Is there something that makes this substantially more than that? I may well just be comprehending it in the wrong light. My question's not just rhetorical.

I should add, I have no problem with Weapon Of Choice, as that looks at the trope of weapons being matched to character concepts/archetypes, which is most manifestly a trope. Some of the individual weapon pages, though...

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ArcadesSabboth Since: Oct, 2011
Jan 25th 2012 at 3:58:24 PM •••

"An axe appears in this work" is not a trope any more than "this character has blue eyes." The eye color tropes are all being heavily reworked in TRS, and I think all of these "weapon type X exists in this work" need the same treatment. If the weapon is associated more often with a particular type of character (all elves are archers, all dwarves have axes) or personality, that's a trope. Otherwise, it's just an exhaustive catalog of every axe (or sword, or spear, or knife) in all of fiction.

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