Can I attest to a certain truth underpinning this?
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Can I attest to a certain truth underpinning this? The following text may be contentious and I resepct the mods\\\' rights to ask me to remove it from elewhere on the site, but there IS an issue with uncontrolled immigration into the British Isles, a lot of reservations are shared equally in Ireland, and it would be incomplete and misleading to pretend that this does not exist.
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It might be worth noting that Ireland altered its nationality requirements fairly recently because too many pregnant immigrants were getting in and taking the p*** - they knew they could not be kicked out as illegals if there was only a month to go before the birth, as legal process took at least six weeks. So the child was born Irish, and as it\'s cruel to seperate an infant from its mother, the mother, who would otherwise have been deported as illegal, got permission to stay in Ireland indefinitely to raise her Irish-born child. And of course this meant access to social security benefits, socialised medical care, et c.
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A residual moral justification for Britain taking immigrants is that these are citizens of countries formerly part of the British Empire, and that in some way accepting their citizens is pay-back for Imperial exploitation.
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This really hacked off lots of real Irish people - seeing immigrants who would otherwise have been kicked out as ineligible working the system, and getting social benefits they had not contributed to - so the posters were right, there was a *big* problem with economic migrants. Fundamental law had to change to say a child born in Ireland only counts as Irish if one of its parents can claim Irish birth or nationality. Otherwise - feck off, you\'re from Senegal and not Donegal.
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This can in no way be said to be applicable to Ireland, one of the relatively few European nations that was itself colonised rather than sending its people overseas to do the colonization.
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The new law has put a big crimp in the Jackie Charlton Principle, but there you go, you can\'t have everything.. it probably knackers the hopes of a lot of supposed Irish-Americans to legally count as Irish (I mean, your umpteen-times great grandparents left County Guinness in 1785 because the evil English pissed over the potatoes, cackling evilly as they did so. And you\'ve been Americans ever since. Where does it cut off? There must be a point where you stop being Irish and start being American?)
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It might be worth noting that Ireland altered its nationality requirements fairly recently because too many pregnant immigrants were getting in and taking the p*** - they knew they could not be kicked out as illegals if there was only a month to go before the birth, as legal process took at least six weeks. So the child was born Irish, and as it\\\'s cruel to seperate an infant from its mother, the mother, who would otherwise have been deported as illegal, got permission to stay in Ireland indefinitely to raise her Irish-born child. And of course this meant immediate unquestioned access to social security benefits, socialised medical care, et c. All those benefits of a first world European country that its own people have to live and work and pay tax and otherwise prove entitlement to.
This really hacked off lots of real Irish people, just as it does the British - seeing immigrants who would otherwise have been kicked out as ineligible working the system, and getting social benefits they had not contributed to - so the posters were right, there was and remains a *big* problem with economic migrants. Fundamental law had to change to say a child born in Ireland only counts as Irish if one of its parents can claim Irish birth or nationality. Otherwise - feck off, you\\\'re from Senegal and not Donegal. At least the Irish government is addressing this and restricting entitlement - more than can be said for British politicans who appear to be sitting on a time-bomb, dismissing perfectly valid fears as \\\"racism\\\". (And I\\\'m on the political left and I acknowledge there\\\'s an issue! How blind can politicians get!)
The new law has put a big crimp in the Jackie Charlton Principle, but there you go, you can\\\'t have everything.. it probably knackers the hopes of a lot of supposed Irish-Americans to legally count as Irish (I mean, your umpteen-times great grandparents left County Guinness in 1785 because the evil English pissed over the potatoes, cackling evilly as they did so. And you\\\'ve been Americans ever since, with your residual Irish blood being inevitably diluted further by admixturs of other nationalities. Where does it cut off? There must be a point where you stop being Irish and start being American?)
The only problem I had with it was it lacked the subtly of the books. When Ser Loras\' reacted to [[spoiler: Renly\'s death]] I felt that was the intended \
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The only problem I had with it was it lacked the subtly of the books. When Ser Loras\\\' reacted to [[spoiler: Renly\\\'s death]] I felt that was the intended \\\"yes they were an item\\\" confirmation. For me at least his reaction was the exact moment I realised that the two were an item and he\\\'d literally snapped because of [[spoiler: grief]]. That was \\\'\\\'the\\\'\\\' moment it went from context to reality in my mind. I think the series has taken a more direct approach give Renly more screen time, give us more insight into his motives and ultimately make [[spoiler: his death more dramatic]] in the long run. Be interesting to see if it works but the character has been awesome so far, especially when he called out Robert\\\'s WarIsGlorious outlook.
The only problem I had with it was it lacked the subtly of the books. When Ser Loras\' reacted to [[spoiler: Renly\'s death]] I felt that was the intended \
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The only problem I had with it was it lacked the subtly of the books. When Ser Loras\\\' reacted to [[spoiler: Renly\\\'s death]] I felt that was the intended \\\"yes they were an item\\\" confirmation. For me at least his reaction was the exact moment I realised that the two were an item and he\\\'d literally snapped because of [[spoiler: grief]]. That was \\\'\\\'the\\\'\\\' moment it went from context to reality in my mind. I think the series has taken a more direct approach give Renly more screen time, give us more insight into his motives and ultimately make [[spoiler: his death more dramatic]] in the long run. Be interesting to see if it works.
