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\\\"it looks like the very first, possibly only, hero to be killed on the show is its one gay character...and then she survives.\\\" But that\\\'s the thing, discounting the AllThereInTheManual context, we don\\\'t know she\\\'s gay, not until the danger has passed and we know she\\\'s going to be okay. For it to be a real subversion I think the fact that she was gay should have already been known hence making you \\\'\\\'think\\\'\\\' at first the trope is being played out when Turpin reacts like she\\\'s dead. For the subversion to work the viewer has to a) have read the comics and known Maggie was gay and/or b) know (either from the creators or someone else) that \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' version of Maggie is also gay. Both these are influence from outside the show itself. For it to fit the trope you have to be a very specific kind of viewer and I think that seems overly narrow and too outside the text of the story itself.

\\\"it looks like the very first, possibly only, hero to be killed on the show is its one gay character...and then she survives.\\\" But that\\\'s the thing, discounting the AllThereInTheManual context, we don\\\'t know she\\\'s gay, not until the danger has passed and we know she\\\'s going to be okay. For it to be a real subversion I think the fact that she was gay should have already been known hence making you \\\'\\\'think\\\'\\\' at first the trope is being played out when Turpin reacts like she\\\'s dead. For the subversion to work the viewer has to a) have read the comics and known Maggie was gay and/or b) know (either from the creators or someone else) that \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' version of Maggie is also gay. Both these are influence from outside the show itself. For it to fit the trope you have to be a very specific kind of viewer and I think that seems overly narrow.

\\\"it looks like the very first, possibly only, hero to be killed on the show is its one gay character...and then she survives.\\\" But that\\\'s the thing, discounting the AllThereInTheManual context, we don\\\'t know she\\\'s gay, not until the danger has passed and we know she\\\'s going to be okay. For it to be a real subversion I think the fact that she was gay should have already been known hence making you \\\'\\\'think\\\'\\\' at first the trope is being played out when Turpin reacts like she\\\'s dead. For that to be so the viewer has to a) have read the comics and known Maggie was gay and/or b) know (either from the creators or someone else) that \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' version of Maggie is also gay. Both these are influence from outside the show itself. For it to fit the trope you have to be a very specific kind of viewer and I think that seems overly narrow.

\\\"it looks like the very first, possibly only, hero to be killed on the show is its one gay character...and then she survives.\\\" But that\\\'s the thing, discounting the AllThereInTheManual context, we don\\\'t know she\\\'s gay, not until the danger has passed and we know she\\\'s going to be okay. For it to be a real subversion I think the fact that she was gay should have already been known hence making you \\\'\\\'think\\\'\\\' at first the trope is being played out when Turpin reacts like she\\\'s dead. For that to be so the viewer has to a) have read the comics and known Maggie was gay and/or b) know (either from the creators or someone else) that \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' version of Maggie is also gay. For it to fit the trope you have to be a very specific kind of viewer and I think that seems overly narrow.

\\\"it looks like the very first, possibly only, hero to be killed on the show is its one gay character...and then she survives.\\\" But that\\\'s the thing, discounting the AllThereInTheManual context, we don\\\'t know she\\\'s gay, not until the danger has passed and we know she\\\'s going to be okay. For it to be a real subversion I think the fact that she was gay should have already been known hence making you \\\'\\\'think\\\'\\\' at first the trope is being played out when Turpen reacts like she\\\'s dead. For that to be so the viewer has to a) have read the comics and known Maggie was gay and/or b) know (either from the creators or someone else) that \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' version of Maggie is also gay. For it to fit the trope you have to be a very specific kind of viewer and I think that seems overly narrow.

\\\"it looks like the very first, possibly only, hero to be killed on the show is its one gay character...and then she survives.\\\" But that\\\'s the thing, discounting the AllThereInTheManual context, we don\\\'t know she\\\'s gay, not until the danger has passed and we know she\\\'s going to be okay. For it to be a real subversion I think the fact that she was gay should have already been known hence making you \\\'\\\'think\\\'\\\' the trope is being played out. For that to be so the viewer has to a) have read the comics and known Maggie was gay and/or b) know (either from the creators or someone else) that \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' version of Maggie is also gay. For it to fit the trope you have to be a very specific kind of viewer and I think that seems overly narrow.

\\\"it looks like the very first, possibly only, hero to be killed on the show is its one gay character...and then she survives.\\\" But that\\\'s the thing, discounting the AllThereInTheManual context, we don\\\'t know she\\\'s gay, not until the danger has passed and we know she\\\'s going to be okay. For it to be a real subversion I think the fact that she was gay should have already been known hence making you \\\'\\\'think\\\'\\\' the trope is being played out. For that to be so the viewer has to have a) read the comics and known Maggie was gay and b) know (either from the creators or someone else) that \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\' version of Maggie is also gay. For it to fit the trope you have to be a very specific kind of viewer and I think that seems overly narrow.

I meant that the death rate for villains is a lot higher in these sorts of shows than the hero\\\'s main cast. They may spare the the villains sometimes but not always, that\\\'s what the DisneyVillainDeath (among others) is for. Not to say Bowman\\\'s death wasn\\\'t unusual ([[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath Family Unfriendly]] and all that) but being a villain, his chances were significantly slimmer than the main cast.