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KJ, you\'re right that Name Only is often used a complaining point, that it is frequently used to say something \
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KJ, you\\\'re right that Name Only is often used a complaining point, that it is frequently used to say something \\\"doesn\\\'t count\\\" or \\\"isn\\\'t \\\'\\\'really\\\'\\\' an adaptation\\\", but that\\\'s not really the case here. It does take more than a single change, something beside \\\"Hey, his shirt\\\'s a different color, \\\'\\\'that\\\'s not really Boba Fett!\\\'\\\'\\\" but a lot of the features here really do fit.
Ryloth, for example, has more going on about it than just they day/night cycle. There are also the heatstorms, the subterranean cities designed to withstand those storms, etc. Yes, it was still home to the Twi\\\'lek\\\'s, but nothing Twi\\\'lek-specific was in the episode, either. Nothing of their culture, history or even naming conventions came up in conversation. The episodes placed on Ryloth could have been put on almost any other planet, with the species shifted accordingly, and they wouldn\\\'t have had to change a single line except for the name of the planet and the species, since the episode contained nothing apart from the name of the planet and species to tell us this \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' Ryloth. It could have been an episode about the Aqualish, or the Gotals, or even the Drach\\\'nam and the episode would have been exactly the same.
BroadStrokes and ArmedWithCanon are very good tropes for what they do, but they cover general adaptations (Strokes) and what is \\\"right\\\" (Canon), whereas the Name Only trope is referring only to specific people/planets (At least, as we\\\'re using it) and is not concerned with \\\"right\\\" or \\\"wrong,\\\" Name Only is only concerned with \\\'\\\'first\\\'\\\'. Like I said, the EU is not better than this series, its canon is not harder and George Lucas has every right to make changes (And, like I said, I actually approve of many of the changes). However, no matter how official or right Lucas is, some parts were in the EU first and, when portrayed here, matched their original portrayal only in their names. That\\\'s InNameOnly right there.
P.S. Oh, and the Greedo thing. In his origin from the EU he \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t\\\'\\\' a slimy enforcer for Jabba the Hutt. He and his people, a clan of Rodians, had spent his childhood living as farmers on an unidentified world because other Rodians were trying to wipe them out (I can\\\'t recall the reason). When discovered, in Greedo\\\'s teenage years, they fled to Nar Shadaa and Greedo became a petty criminal stealing car stereos (I mean that almost completely literally, as he actually narrates how he often strips down personal Hutt conveyances when they are left unattended). His beef with Han Solo comes up here when, since he is planning to buy his own ship, he stops into a shop and sees Han buying some new pieces of equipent. Being a young criminal he tries to shoplift them, Han catches him, and Greedo is kicked out of the shop. A few years later he ends upon Tatooine apprenticed to a pair of bonty hunters, but he himself has never hunted anybody or had any experience in the field, the only thing he ever shot was a droid (In the back) and the droid was okay, too. The two hunters send him after Solo not because they even want Greedo to catch him, but because the Rodians who were hunting Greedo\\\'s clan found out where he was and payed off the two to get Greedo killed. That scene in \\\'\\\'A New Hope\\\'\\\' was essentially an execution, sending a punk kid who had never killed anything in his life against a deadly fighter.
Now, that one probably wouldn\\\'t count as an example of InNameOnly now that I think about it, there are elements of \\\"real\\\" Greedo in the show and he originated in the movie first, but like I said I never liked that origin so I am more than happy they ditched it.
Ryloth, for example, has more going on about it than just they day/night cycle. There are also the heatstorms, the subterranean cities designed to withstand those storms, etc. Yes, it was still home to the Twi\\\'lek\\\'s, but nothing Twi\\\'lek-specific was in the episode, either. Nothing of their culture, history or even naming conventions came up in conversation. The episodes placed on Ryloth could have been put on almost any other planet, with the species shifted accordingly, and they wouldn\\\'t have had to change a single line except for the name of the planet and the species, since the episode contained nothing apart from the name of the planet and species to tell us this \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' Ryloth. It could have been an episode about the Aqualish, or the Gotals, or even the Drach\\\'nam and the episode would have been exactly the same.
BroadStrokes and ArmedWithCanon are very good tropes for what they do, but they cover general adaptations (Strokes) and what is \\\"right\\\" (Canon), whereas the Name Only trope is referring only to specific people/planets (At least, as we\\\'re using it) and is not concerned with \\\"right\\\" or \\\"wrong,\\\" Name Only is only concerned with \\\'\\\'first\\\'\\\'. Like I said, the EU is not better than this series, its canon is not harder and George Lucas has every right to make changes (And, like I said, I actually approve of many of the changes). However, no matter how official or right Lucas is, some parts were in the EU first and, when portrayed here, matched their original portrayal only in their names. That\\\'s InNameOnly right there.
P.S. Oh, and the Greedo thing. In his origin from the EU he \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t\\\'\\\' a slimy enforcer for Jabba the Hutt. He and his people, a clan of Rodians, had spent his childhood living as farmers on an unidentified world because other Rodians were trying to wipe them out (I can\\\'t recall the reason). When discovered, in Greedo\\\'s teenage years, they fled to Nar Shadaa and Greedo became a petty criminal stealing car stereos (I mean that almost completely literally, as he actually narrates how he often strips down personal Hutt conveyances when they are left unattended). His beef with Han Solo comes up here when, since he is planning to buy his own ship, he stops into a shop and sees Han buying some new pieces of equipent. Being a young criminal he tries to shoplift them, Han catches him, and Greedo is kicked out of the shop. A few years later he ends upon Tatooine apprenticed to a pair of bonty hunters, but he himself has never hunted anybody or had any experience in the field, the only thing he ever shot was a droid (In the back) and the droid was okay, too. The two hunters send him after Solo not because they even want Greedo to catch him, but because the Rodians who were hunting Greedo\\\'s clan found out where he was and payed off the two to get Greedo killed. That scene in \\\'\\\'A New Hope\\\'\\\' was essentially an execution, sending a punk kid who had never killed anything in his life against a deadly fighter.
Now, that one probably wouldn\\\'t count as an example of InNameOnly now that I think about it, there are elements of \\\"real\\\" Greedo in the show and he originated in the movie first, but like I said I never liked that origin so I am more than happy they ditched it.
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KJ, you\'re right that Name Only is often used a complaining point, that it is frequently used to say something \
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KJ, you\\\'re right that Name Only is often used a complaining point, that it is frequently used to say something \\\"doesn\\\'t count\\\" or \\\"isn\\\'t \\\'\\\'really\\\'\\\' an adaptation\\\", but that\\\'s not really the case here. It does take more than a single change, something beside \\\"Hey, his shirt\\\'s a different color, \\\'\\\'that\\\'s not really Boba Fett!\\\'\\\'\\\" but a lot of the features here really do fit.
Ryloth, for example, has more going on about it than just they day/nigt cycle. There are also the heatstorms, the subterranean cities designed to withstand those storms, etc. Yes, it was still home to the Twi\\\'lek\\\'s, but nothing Twi\\\'lek-specific was in the episode, either. Nothing of their culture, history or even naming conventions came up in conversation. The episodes placed on Ryloth could have been put on almost any other planet, with the species shifted accordingly, and they wouldn\\\'t have had to change a single line except for the name of the planet and the species, since the episode contained nothing apart from the name of the planet and species to tell us this \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' Ryloth. It could have been an episode about the Aqualish, or the Gotals, or even the Drach\\\'nam and the episode would have been exactly the same.
BroadStrokes and ArmedWithCanon are very good tropes for what they do, but they covergeneral adaptations (Strokes) and what is \\\"right\\\" (Canon), where as the Name Only trope is referring only to specific people/planets (At least, as we\\\'re using it) and is not concerned with \\\"right\\\" or \\\"wrong,\\\" Name Only is only concerned with \\\'\\\'first\\\'\\\'. Like I said, the EU is not better than this series, its canon is not harder and George Lucas has every right to make changes (And, like I said, I actually approve of many of the changes). However, no matter how official or right Lucas is, some parts were in the EU first and, when portrayed here, matched their original portrayal only in their names. That\\\'s InNameOnly right there.
P.S. Oh, and the Greedo thing. In his origin from the EU he \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t\\\'\\\' a slimy enforcer for Jabba the Hutt. He and his people, a clan of Rodians, had spent his childhood living as farmers on an unidentified world because other Rodians were trying to wipe them out (I can\\\'t recall the reason). When discovered, in Greedo\\\'s teenage years, they fled to Nar Shadaa and Greedo became a petty criminal stealing car stereos (I mean that almost completely literally, as he actually narrates how he often strips down personal Hutt conveyances when they are left unattended). His beef with Han Solo comes up here when, since he is planning to buy his own ship, he stops into a shop and sees Han buying some new pieces of equipent. Being a young criminal he tries to shoplift them, Han catches him, and Greedo is kicked out of the shop. A few years later he ends upon Tatooine apprenticed to a pair of bonty hunters, but he himself has never hunted anybody or had any experience in the field, the only thing he ever shot was a droid (In the back) and the droid was okay, too. The two hunters send him after Solo not because they even want Greedo to catch him, but because the Rodians who were hunting Greedo\\\'s clan found out where he was and payed off the two to get Greedo killed. That scene in \\\'\\\'A New Hope\\\'\\\' was essentially an execution, sending a punk kid who had never killed anything in his life against a deadly fighter.
Now, that one probably wouldn\\\'t count as an example of InNameOnly now that I think about it, there are elements of \\\"real\\\" Greedo in the show and he originated in the movie first, but like I said I never liked that origin so I am more than happy they ditched it.
Ryloth, for example, has more going on about it than just they day/nigt cycle. There are also the heatstorms, the subterranean cities designed to withstand those storms, etc. Yes, it was still home to the Twi\\\'lek\\\'s, but nothing Twi\\\'lek-specific was in the episode, either. Nothing of their culture, history or even naming conventions came up in conversation. The episodes placed on Ryloth could have been put on almost any other planet, with the species shifted accordingly, and they wouldn\\\'t have had to change a single line except for the name of the planet and the species, since the episode contained nothing apart from the name of the planet and species to tell us this \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' Ryloth. It could have been an episode about the Aqualish, or the Gotals, or even the Drach\\\'nam and the episode would have been exactly the same.
BroadStrokes and ArmedWithCanon are very good tropes for what they do, but they covergeneral adaptations (Strokes) and what is \\\"right\\\" (Canon), where as the Name Only trope is referring only to specific people/planets (At least, as we\\\'re using it) and is not concerned with \\\"right\\\" or \\\"wrong,\\\" Name Only is only concerned with \\\'\\\'first\\\'\\\'. Like I said, the EU is not better than this series, its canon is not harder and George Lucas has every right to make changes (And, like I said, I actually approve of many of the changes). However, no matter how official or right Lucas is, some parts were in the EU first and, when portrayed here, matched their original portrayal only in their names. That\\\'s InNameOnly right there.
P.S. Oh, and the Greedo thing. In his origin from the EU he \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t\\\'\\\' a slimy enforcer for Jabba the Hutt. He and his people, a clan of Rodians, had spent his childhood living as farmers on an unidentified world because other Rodians were trying to wipe them out (I can\\\'t recall the reason). When discovered, in Greedo\\\'s teenage years, they fled to Nar Shadaa and Greedo became a petty criminal stealing car stereos (I mean that almost completely literally, as he actually narrates how he often strips down personal Hutt conveyances when they are left unattended). His beef with Han Solo comes up here when, since he is planning to buy his own ship, he stops into a shop and sees Han buying some new pieces of equipent. Being a young criminal he tries to shoplift them, Han catches him, and Greedo is kicked out of the shop. A few years later he ends upon Tatooine apprenticed to a pair of bonty hunters, but he himself has never hunted anybody or had any experience in the field, the only thing he ever shot was a droid (In the back) and the droid was okay, too. The two hunters send him after Solo not because they even want Greedo to catch him, but because the Rodians who were hunting Greedo\\\'s clan found out where he was and payed off the two to get Greedo killed. That scene in \\\'\\\'A New Hope\\\'\\\' was essentially an execution, sending a punk kid who had never killed anything in his life against a deadly fighter.
Now, that one probably wouldn\\\'t count as an example of InNameOnly now that I think about it, there are elements of \\\"real\\\" Greedo in the show and he originated in the movie first, but like I said I never liked that origin so I am more than happy they ditched it.
