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The first is basically a ZeroContextExample, so not really acceptable, the second provides more detail as to why Tory being \\\"larger\\\" in more than one sense informs her character and role in the show. That said, I\\\'m personally against cutting drafts just because they aren\\\'t up to snuff, the point should be to help get them there, not just axe it prematurely. But that\\\'s part of a wider discussion of my general displeasure with the direction this wiki has been moving in and is beyond the scope of this conversation.

The description for a proposed redo of the trope I would do would be something like this:

In a cast of multiple characters, there is a strong tendency to diverge their design to reflect their skills. Among a group of female characters, the tendency is to give the strongest physical fighter the largest bosom.

There are a few reasons for this design choice. It might be due to the belief that [[NoGuyWantsAnAmazon a woman with realistic bulging muscles would not be seen as attractive]], so giving her a more toned body style but increasing the size of her bust still evokes a HeroicBuild. In real life, the trope can be played straight or inverted: developing upper body strength, particularly of the pectoral muscles, can act as a natural push-up bra, lifting and pushing out the breasts. At the same time, increased muscle mass usually goes hand-in-hand with decreased body fat percentage, and since the breasts are made up of fatty tissue, lots of muscles can dramatically decrease breast size. (Some female bodybuilders exhibit this, though some also get breast implants to invoke the trope). Large breasts can also be a physical hindrance, making rapid movement and certain kinds of acrobatics difficult, tying the idea of a buxom female to a very muscular male both falling under MightyGlacier -- very strong, but not quick.

The contrast would be to have a strong female physical fighter with a large or above-average bosom, compared in the same work with a weaker female character with a small or below-average bosom. The larger-breasted woman likely falls under StrongButUnskilled or StrongAndSkilled, while the smaller-chested lady may be WeakButSkilled, use WaifFu, or be a magic-user or DamselInDistress. The more slender build, including in the chest, may be a sign of lack of physical fitness (implying the less-busty character develops her mind over her body) or of speed and agility (making her a FragileSpeedster compared to the bustier woman\\\'s LightningBruiser or MightyGlacier). Inverting the trope would be done in one of two ways: Either the most physically powerful female character has the smallest bust (as noted above, perhaps through a more realistic bodybuilder-style design), or having the character with the largest bosom be physically weak but powerful in some other way (usually though magic).

The examples I would go with to start:

* \\\'\\\'Franchise/TheDCU\\\'\\\':
** The canonical second-largest but most famous bust in the superhero community belongs to Diana Prince, ComicBook/WonderWoman. As an Amazon, super-powered even be the standards of her super-powered people, Diana is, DependingOnTheWriter, a powerhouse approaching ComicBook/{{Superman}}\\\'s levels. The modern take is that, while Diana may not be quite as strong or tough as Clark, she is a vastly superior fighter, meaning if the two ever had a real fight, it would be a coin toss which one would prevail. Diana is also blessed by several of the Greek Gods, including Aphrodite, meaning she is literally supernaturally beautiful.
** The canonical largest but second-most famous bust belongs to ComicBook/PowerGirl. Kara Zor-L from an alternate universe, Power Girl is as powerful as any other Kryptonian under a yellow sun, meaning she\\\'s at the top level of strength and toughness alongside Superman and Supergirl. Power Girl\\\'s huge breasts are such an iconic part of her character that attempts to remove her costume\\\'s CleavageWindow have been soundly rejected by her fans, male and female alike. While Power Girl has male fans for [[BuxomBeautyStandard obvious reasons]], she has several female fans who love that the character is unapologetically gorgeous, sexy, smart, tough, and powerful, and will brutally school any villain who dismisses her as \\\"a dumb blonde with big tits.\\\"

* \\\'\\\'VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII\\\'\\\': Three female party members are available. Aerith has a soft, slender build fitting her WhiteMagicianGirl role and personality. Yuffie is a bit more toned but still skinny, fitting her WaifFu fighting style and energetic personality. Tifa is the martial arts expert, fighting with her fists and feet, and while her muscle tone is usually similar to Yuffie\\\'s Tifa has a bust about three times the size of either of the other women. Tifa can also be one of the more straight-up powerful party members to bring along -- notably, her LimitBreak works differently from anyone else\\\'s. While everyone gets access to generally more powerful limit breaks to use as the game progresses, they have to choose which one to use at any given time. Tifa\\\'s just keeps adding one on top of the other, letting her unleash a devastating combo attack by the endgame.

The point would be to not just point out \\\"character X is a fighter and also has big boobs,\\\" to show how their status as a physical powerhouse is linked to their bust size, that it\\\'s a deliberate design decision to make them look powerful but also feminine, and how that contrasts with other characters in the same work who are less chesty and have less physical strength.

The first is basically a ZeroContextExample, so not really acceptable, the second provides more detail as to why Tory being \\\"larger\\\" in more than one sense informs her character and role in the show. That said, I\\\'m personally against cutting drafts just because they aren\\\'t up to snuff, the point should be to help get them there, not just axe it prematurely. But that\\\'s part of a wider discussion of my general displeasure with the direction this wiki has been moving in and is beyond the scope of this conversation.

The description for a proposed redo of the trope I would do would be something like this:

In a cast of multiple characters, there is a strong tendency to diverge their design to reflect their skills. Among a group of female characters, the tendency is to give the strongest physical fighter the largest bosom.

There are a few reasons for this design choice. It might be due to the belief that [[NoGuyWantsAnAmazon women with realistic bulging muscles would not be seen as attractive]], so giving her a more toned body style but increasing the size of her bust still evoke a HeroicBuild. In real life, the trope can be played straight or inverted: developing upper body strength, particularly of the pectoral muscles, can act as a natural push-up bra, lifting and pushing out the breasts. At the same time, increased muscle mass usually goes hand-in-hand with decreased body fat percentage, and since the breasts are made up of fatty tissue, lots of muscles can dramatically decrease breast size. (Some female bodybuilders exhibit this, though some also get breast implants to invoke the trope). Large breasts can also be a physical hindrance, making rapid movement and certain kinds of acrobatics difficult, tying the idea of a buxom female to a very muscular male both falling under MightyGlacier -- very strong, but not quick.

The contrast would be to have a strong female physical fighter with a large or above-average bosom, compared in the same work with weaker female character with a small or below-average bosom. The larger-breasted woman like falls under StrongButUnskilled or StrongAndSkilled, while the smaller-chested lady may be WeakButSkilled, use WaifFu, or be a magic-user or DamselInDistress. The more slender build, including in the chest, may be a sign of lack of physical fitness (implying the less-busty character develops her mind over her body) or of speed and agility (making her a FragileSpeedster compared to the bustier woman\\\'s LightningBruiser or MightyGlacier). Inverting the trope would be done in one of two ways: Either the most physically powerful female character has the smallest bust (as noted above, perhaps through a more realistic bodybuilder-style design), or having the character with the largest bosom be physically weak but powerful in some other way (usually though magic).

The examples I would go with to start:

* \\\'\\\'Franchise/TheDCU\\\'\\\':
** The canonical second-largest but most famous bust in the superhero community belongs to Diana Prince, ComicBook/WonderWoman. As an Amazon, super-powered even be the standards of her super-powered people, Diana is, DependingOnTheWriter, a powerhouse approaching ComicBook/{{Superman}}\\\'s levels. The modern take is that, while Diana may not be quite as strong or tough as Clark, she is a vastly superior fighter, meaning if the two ever had a real fight, it would be a coin toss which one would prevail. Diana is also blessed by several of the Greek Gods, including Aphrodite, meaning she is literally supernaturally beautiful.
** The canonical largest but second-most famous bust belongs to ComicBook/PowerGirl. Kara Zor-L from an alternate universe, Power Girl is as powerful as any other Kryptonian under a yellow sun, meaning she\\\'s at the top level of strength and toughness alongside Superman and Supergirl. Power Girl\\\'s huge breasts are such an iconic part of her character that attempts to remove her costume\\\'s CleavageWindow have been soundly rejected by her fans, male and female alike. While Power Girl has male fans for [[BuxomBeautyStandard obvious reasons]], she has several female fans who love that the character is unapologetically gorgeous, sexy, smart, tough, and powerful, and will brutally school any villain who dismisses her as \\\"a dumb blonde with big tits.\\\"

* \\\'\\\'VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII\\\'\\\': Three female party members are available. Aerith has a slender build fitting her WhiteMagicianGirl role and personality. Yuffie is a bit more toned but still skinny, fitting her WaifFu fighting style and energetic personality. Tifa is the martial arts expert, fighting with her fists and feet, and while her muscle tone is usually similar to Yuffie\\\'s Tifa has a bust about three times the size of either of the other women. Tifa can also be one of the more straight-up powerful party members to bring along -- notably, her LimitBreak works differently from anyone else\\\'s. While everyone gets access to generally more powerful limit breaks to use as the game progresses, they have to choose which one to use at any given time. Tifa\\\'s just keeps adding one on top of the other, letting her unleash a devastating combo attack by the endgame.

The point would be to not just point out \\\"character X is a fighter and also has big boobs,\\\" to show how their status as a physical powerhouse is linked to their bust size, that it\\\'s a deliberate design decision to make them look powerful but also feminine, and how that contrasts with other characters in the same work who are less chesty and have less physical strength.

The first is basically a ZeroContextExample, so not really acceptable, the second provides more detail as to why Tory being \\\"larger\\\" in more than one sense informs her character and role in the show. That said, I\\\'m personally against cutting drafts just because they aren\\\'t up to snuff, the point should be to help get them there, not just axe it prematurely. But that\\\'s part of a wider discussion of my general displeasure with the direction this wiki has been moving in and is beyond the scope of this conversation.

The description for a proposed redo of the trope I would do would be something like this:

In a cast of multiple characters, there is a strong tendency to diverge their design to reflect their skills. Among a group of female characters, the tendency is to give the strongest physical fighter the largest bosom.

There are a few reasons for this design choice. It might be due to the belief that [[NoGuyWantsAnAmazon that woman with realistic bulging muscles would not be seen as attractive]], so giving her a more toned body style but increasing the size of her bust still evoke a HeroicBuild. In real life, the trope can be played straight or inverted: developing upper body strength, particularly of the pectoral muscles, can act as a natural push-up bra, lifting and pushing out the breasts. At the same time, increased muscle mass usually goes hand-in-hand with decreased body fat percentage, and since the breasts are made up of fatty tissue, lots of muscles can dramatically decrease breast size. (Some female bodybuilders exhibit this, though some also get breast implants to invoke the trope). Large breasts can also be a physical hindrance, making rapid movement and certain kinds of acrobatics difficult, tying the idea of a buxom female to a very muscular male both falling under MightyGlacier -- very strong, but not quick.

The contrast would be to have a strong female physical fighter with a large or above-average bosom, compared in the same work with weaker female character with a small or below-average bosom. The larger-breasted woman like falls under StrongButUnskilled or StrongAndSkilled, while the smaller-chested lady may be WeakButSkilled, use WaifFu, or be a magic-user or DamselInDistress. The more slender build, including in the chest, may be a sign of lack of physical fitness (implying the less-busty character develops her mind over her body) or of speed and agility (making her a FragileSpeedster compared to the bustier woman\\\'s LightningBruiser or MightyGlacier). Inverting the trope would be done in one of two ways: Either the most physically powerful female character has the smallest bust (as noted above, perhaps through a more realistic bodybuilder-style design), or having the character with the largest bosom be physically weak but powerful in some other way (usually though magic).

The examples I would go with to start:

* \\\'\\\'Franchise/TheDCU\\\'\\\':
** The canonical second-largest but most famous bust in the superhero community belongs to Diana Prince, ComicBook/WonderWoman. As an Amazon, super-powered even be the standards of her super-powered people, Diana is, DependingOnTheWriter, a powerhouse approaching ComicBook/{{Superman}}\\\'s levels. The modern take is that, while Diana may not be quite as strong or tough as Clark, she is a vastly superior fighter, meaning if the two ever had a real fight, it would be a coin toss which one would prevail. Diana is also blessed by several of the Greek Gods, including Aphrodite, meaning she is literally supernaturally beautiful.
** The canonical largest but second-most famous bust belongs to ComicBook/PowerGirl. Kara Zor-L from an alternate universe, Power Girl is as powerful as any other Kryptonian under a yellow sun, meaning she\\\'s at the top level of strength and toughness alongside Superman and Supergirl. Power Girl\\\'s huge breasts are such an iconic part of her character that attempts to remove her costume\\\'s CleavageWindow have been soundly rejected by her fans, male and female alike. While Power Girl has male fans for [[BuxomBeautyStandard obvious reasons]], she has several female fans who love that the character is unapologetically gorgeous, sexy, smart, tough, and powerful, and will brutally school any villain who dismisses her as \\\"a dumb blonde with big tits.\\\"

* \\\'\\\'VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII\\\'\\\': Three female party members are available. Aerith has a slender build fitting her WhiteMagicianGirl role and personality. Yuffie is a bit more toned but still skinny, fitting her WaifFu fighting style and energetic personality. Tifa is the martial arts expert, fighting with her fists and feet, and while her muscle tone is usually similar to Yuffie\\\'s Tifa has a bust about three times the size of either of the other women. Tifa can also be one of the more straight-up powerful party members to bring along -- notably, her LimitBreak works differently from anyone else\\\'s. While everyone gets access to generally more powerful limit breaks to use as the game progresses, they have to choose which one to use at any given time. Tifa\\\'s just keeps adding one on top of the other, letting her unleash a devastating combo attack by the endgame.

The point would be to not just point out \\\"character X is a fighter and also has big boobs,\\\" to show how their status as a physical powerhouse is linked to their bust size, that it\\\'s a deliberate design decision to make them look powerful but also feminine, and how that contrasts with other characters in the same work who are less chesty and have less physical strength.

The first is basically a ZeroContextExample, so not really acceptable, the second provides more detail as to why Tory being \\\"larger\\\" in more than one sense informs her character and role in the show. That said, I\\\'m personally against cutting drafts just because they aren\\\'t up to snuff, the point should be to help get them there, not just axe it prematurely. But that\\\'s part of a wider discussion of my general displeasure with the direction this wiki has been moving in and is beyond the scope of this conversation.

The description for a proposed redo of the trope I would do would be something like this:

In a cast of multiple characters, there is a strong tendency to diverge their design to reflect their skills. Among a group of female characters, the tendency is to give the strongest physical fighter the largest bosom.

There are a few reasons for this design choice. It might be due to the belief that [[NoGuyWantsAnAmazon that woman with realistic bulging muscles would not be seen as attractive]], so giving her a more toned body style but increasing the size of her bust still evoke a HeroicBuild. In real life, the trope can be played straight or inverted: developing upper body strength, particularly of the pectoral muscles, can act as a natural push-up bra, lifting and pushing out the breasts. At the same time, increased muscle mass usually goes hand-in-hand with decreased body fat percentage, and since the breasts are made up of fatty tissue, lots of muscles can dramatically decrease breast size. (Some female bodybuilders exhibit this, though some also get breast implants to invoke the trope). Large breasts can also be a physical hindrance, making rapid movement and certain kinds of acrobatics difficult, tying the idea of a buxom female to a very muscular male both falling under MightyGlacier -- very strong, but not quick.

The contrast would be to have a strong female physical fighter with a large or above-average bosom, compared in the same work with weaker female character with a small or below-average bosom. The larger-breasted woman like falls under StrongButUnskilled or StrongAndSkilled, while the smaller-chested lady may be WeakButSkilled, use WaifFu, or be a magic-user or DamselInDistress. The more slender build, including in the chest, may be a sign of lack of physical fitness (implying the less-busty character develops her mind over her body) or of speed and agility (making her a FragileSpeedster compared to the bustier woman\\\'s LightningBruiser or MightyGlacier). Inverting the trope would be done in one of two ways: Either the most physically powerful female character has the smallest bust (as noted above, perhaps through a more realistic bodybuilder-style design), or having the character with the largest bosom be physically weak but powerful in some other way (usually though magic).