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Hi - thanks @Larkman.
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Hi - thanks @Larkmarn.
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In terms of your first point, the two \
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In terms of your first point, the two \\\"explanations\\\" are speculative, though solid. The anime look undoubtedly derives from external influences (mostly post-War), whether that be Disney, Max Fleischer cartoons, or the Western film and fashion industries. Arriving with these sources included varying hair colours, eye colours, the penchant for retroussé noses and large eyes. Prior to these external influences, the art-style in Japan depicted very different beauty standards, as the current text explains, in a way that is *opposite* to anime/manga. It\\\'s the external source material that started the almost unilateral conventions we see nowadays (bar super-realistic manga/anime), and the explanations here are solid and without prejudice.

There will always be fringe people (as you say) who dine out on the concept of whites depicted as an \\\"ideal\\\", but this article isn\\\'t interested in them and they shouldn\\\'t be given oxygen. To maintain balance, however, it\\\'s important that we (as fans of the genre) are understanding of the layman (those for whom this medium is unfamiliar), and examine the visuals presented honestly, and without condescending the unaware. If you were to ask someone unfamiliar with anime conventions whether Naruto and Usagi Tsukino were Western or Eastern, the majority of those asked would say Western, understandably. Fans of the characters would of course know otherwise, but only through specific knowledge of the conventions used to design them. As a site, we delve into pop-culture and analyse it (sometimes to death!) - not in a way that\\\'s meant to be prejudiced, but frank and honest. I would cite the examples of FrenchJerk, EvilBrit and ScaryBlackMan to present this site\\\'s honest description of archetypes that are potentially sensitive, but nonetheless exist in pop-culture. The \\\"explanations\\\" write up is therefore fine as is.

However, having read your longer point on the \\\"zannen hafu\\\" paragraph - this is an area in which I am completely unfamiliar, and of course has more sensitivity around it, so if you feel that this could be rewritten in a way that is more accurate (or removed entirely; is it relevant?), then please share what you think is best? (This is the paragraph I am referring to, below. I suggest all else is fine as is):

\\\"*There exists a fetishization for half European/half Japanese people. Japanese fiction utilizes the But Not Too Foreign trope quite heavily when it comes to Japanese/white mixes — who are by far the most represented group of hāfu (half-Japanese people) in Japanese media. White hāfu, and Japanese people with some amount of white ancestry in general, are stereotyped to be classy, beautiful, multilingual, but also not truly a part of Japanese culture. Non-white Japanese mixes are sometimes called \\\"zannen hāfu\\\" or \\\"disappointing half-Japanese\\\", and endure much more discrimination than white hāfu.*\\\"

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