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NubianSatyress
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* LostAesop: The story makes the case that hatred of any kind is undesirable, which on its own could make a fair argument. The main problems are within the story\'s methods of \'\'delivering\'\' said message. For instance, one of the most contentious plot points lays with Law not allowing [[spoiler:Rinwell to kill Almeidrea to avenge her parents despite doing just that against Ganabelt. The justification is that Law [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty felt empty]] after revenge, and by using Dedyme and the Dark Wings as an object lesson against killing \
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* LostAesop: The story makes the case that hatred of any kind is undesirable, which on its own could make a fair argument. The main problems are within the story\\\'s methods of \\\'\\\'delivering\\\'\\\' said message. For instance, one of the most contentious plot points lays with Law not allowing [[spoiler:Rinwell to kill Almeidrea to avenge her parents despite doing just that against Ganabelt. The justification is that Law [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty felt empty]] after revenge, and Dedyme and the Dark Wings are an object lesson against killing \\\"with a heart full of hatred\\\". But Law\\\'s feelings are barely touched on prior to this and also at odds with the fact that Alphen flat out stated he was \\\'\\\'just\\\'\\\' as eager to kill Ganabelt and get revenge, and \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' expresses regret -- unintentionally making the case that hate and revenge are fine if [[PayEvilUntoEvil directed at truly unrepentent monsters]]. Thus, the sudden desire to stop Rinwell comes across as majorly hypocritical. Likewise, Dedyme was nothing like Rinwell -- he was a {{Jerkass}} who wanted power just as much as revenge, so equating he and Rinwell sounds more like a SlipperySlopeFallacy than a real possibility. Also, the demise of the Dark Wings was caused by a fictional plot device; people in real life don\\\'t explode into liquid if they get too angry, and Rinwell herself was in no danger of this happening. Finally, despite the game\\\'s argument that RevengeIsNotJustice, no other solutions are ever posited. Even in the case of Almeidrea, who is an unrepentent monster, exactly how the party planned to punish or incarcerate a [[PersonOfMassDestruction Renan Lord]] with [[NoAdequatePunishment no judicial or penal system]] is never touched on. Instead, [[VillainsDoTheDirtyWork she is killed by another villain]] shortly after her defeat, unintentionally advocating that MurderIsTheBestSolution. Likewise, the game ends \\\'\\\'entirely\\\'\\\' before any of the other problems it mentions are ever addressed.]]
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* LostAesop: The story makes the case that hatred of any kind is undesirable, which on its own could make a fair argument. The main problems are within the story\'s methods of \'\'delivering\'\' said message. For instance, one of the most contentious plot points lays with the party not allowing [[spoiler:Rinwell to kill Almeidrea to avenge her parents despite doing just that against Ganabelt. The justification is that Law [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty felt empty]] after revenge, and by using Dedyme and the Dark Wings as an object lesson against killing \
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* LostAesop: The story makes the case that hatred of any kind is undesirable, which on its own could make a fair argument. The main problems are within the story\\\'s methods of \\\'\\\'delivering\\\'\\\' said message. For instance, one of the most contentious plot points lays with Law not allowing [[spoiler:Rinwell to kill Almeidrea to avenge her parents despite doing just that against Ganabelt. The justification is that Law [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty felt empty]] after revenge, and by using Dedyme and the Dark Wings as an object lesson against killing \\\"with a heart full of hatred\\\". But Law\\\'s feelings are barely touched on prior to this and also at odds with the fact that Alphen flat out stated he was \\\'\\\'just\\\'\\\' as eager to kill Ganabelt and get revenge, and \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' expresses regret -- unintentionally making the case that hate and revenge are fine if [[PayEvilUntoEvil directed at truly unrepentent monsters]]. Thus, the sudden desire to stop Rinwell comes across as majorly hypocritical. Likewise, Dedyme was nothing like Rinwell -- he was a {{Jerkass}} who wanted power just as much as revenge, so equating he and Rinwell sounds more like a SlipperySlopeFallacy than a real possibility. Also, the demise of the Dark Wings was caused by a fictional plot device; people in real life don\\\'t explode into liquid if they get too angry, and Rinwell herself was in no danger of this happening. Finally, despite the game\\\'s argument that RevengeIsNotJustice, no other solutions are ever posited. Even in the case of Almeidrea, who is an unrepentent monster, exactly how the party planned to punish or incarcerate a [[PersonOfMassDestruction Renan Lord]] with [[NoAdequatePunishment no judicial or penal system]] is never touched on. Instead, [[VillainsDoTheDirtyWork she is killed by another villain]] shortly after her defeat, unintentionally advocating that MurderIsTheBestSolution. Likewise, the game ends \\\'\\\'entirely\\\'\\\' before any of the other problems it mentions are ever addressed.]]
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* LostAesop: The story makes the case that hatred of any kind is undesirable, which on its own could make a fair argument. The main problems are within the story\'s methods of \'\'delivering\'\' said message. For instance, one of the most contentious plot points lays with the party not allowing [[spoiler:Rinwell to kill Almeidrea to avenge her parents despite doing just that when killing Ganabelt earlier in the game. The story attempts to justify this by stating that Law [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty felt empty]] after revenge, and by using Dedyme and the Dark Wings as an object lesson against killing \
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* LostAesop: The story makes the case that hatred of any kind is undesirable, which on its own could make a fair argument. The main problems are within the story\\\'s methods of \\\'\\\'delivering\\\'\\\' said message. For instance, one of the most contentious plot points lays with the party not allowing [[spoiler:Rinwell to kill Almeidrea to avenge her parents despite doing just that against Ganabelt. The justification is that Law [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty felt empty]] after revenge, and by using Dedyme and the Dark Wings as an object lesson against killing \\\"with a heart full of hatred\\\". But Law\\\'s feelings are barely touched on prior to this and also at odds with the fact that Alphen flat out stated he was \\\'\\\'just\\\'\\\' as eager to kill Ganabelt and get revenge, and \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' expresses regret -- unintentionally making the case that hate and revenge are fine if [[PayEvilUntoEvil directed at truly unrepentent monsters]]. Thus, their sudden desire to stop Rinwell comes across as majorly hypocritical. Likewise, Dedyme was nothing like Rinwell -- he was a {{Jerkass}} who wanted power just as much as revenge, so equating he and Rinwell sounds more like a SlipperySlopeFallacy than a real possibility. Also, the demise of the Dark Wings was caused by a fictional plot device; people in real life don\\\'t explode into liquid if they get too angry, and Rinwell herself was in no danger of this happening. Finally, despite the game\\\'s argument that RevengeIsNotJustice, no other solutions are ever posited. Even in the case of Almeidrea, who is an unrepentent monster, exactly how the party planned to punish or incarcerate a [[PersonOfMassDestruction Renan Lord]] with [[NoAdequatePunishment no judicial or penal system]] is never touched on. Instead, [[VillainsDoTheDirtyWork she is killed by another villain]] shortly after her defeat, unintentionally advocating that MurderIsTheBestSolution. Likewise, the game ends \\\'\\\'entirely\\\'\\\' before any of the other problems it mentions are ever addressed.]]
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Given this discussion, here is my first draft of a LostAesop entry. I tried to cut down on the wordiness as much as possible but, as we\'ve talked about here, there was a \'\'lot\'\' to unpack.
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Given this discussion, here is my first draft of a LostAesop entry. I tried to cut down on the wordiness as much as possible but, as we\\\'ve talked about here, there was a \\\'\\\'lot\\\'\\\' to unpack. Any ideas on what to improve or what to cut are appreciated.
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* LostAesop: The story makes the case that hatred of any kind is undesirable, which on its own could make a fair argument. The main problems are within the story\'s methods of \'\'delivering\'\' said message. For instance, one of the most contentious plot points lays with the party not allowing [[spoiler:Rinwell to kill Almeidrea to avenge her parents despite doing just that when killing Ganabelt earlier in the game. The story attempts to justify this by stating that Law [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty felt empty]] after revenge, and by using Dedyme and the Dark Wings as an object lesson against killing \
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* LostAesop: The story makes the case that hatred of any kind is undesirable, which on its own could make a fair argument. The main problems are within the story\\\'s methods of \\\'\\\'delivering\\\'\\\' said message. For instance, one of the most contentious plot points lays with the party not allowing [[spoiler:Rinwell to kill Almeidrea to avenge her parents despite doing just that when killing Ganabelt earlier in the game. The story attempts to justify this by stating that Law [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty felt empty]] after revenge, and by using Dedyme and the Dark Wings as an object lesson against killing \\\"with a heart full of hatred\\\". But Law\\\'s feelings are barely touched on prior to this and also at odds with the fact that Alphen flat out stated he was \\\'\\\'just\\\'\\\' as eager to kill Ganabelt and get revenge, and \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' expresses regret -- unintentionally making the case that hate and revenge are fine if [[PayEvilUntoEvil directed at truly unrepentent monsters]]. Thus, their sudden desire to stop Rinwell comes across as majorly hypocritical. Likewise, Dedyme was nothing like Rinwell -- he was a {{Jerkass}} who wanted power just as much as revenge, so equating he and Rinwell sounds more like a SlipperySlopeFallacy than a real possibility. Also, the demise of the Dark Wings was caused by a fictional plot device; people in real life don\\\'t explode into liquid if they get too angry, and Rinwell herself was in no danger of this happening. Finally, despite the game\\\'s argument that RevengeIsNotJustice, no other solutions are ever posited. Even in the case of Almeidrea, who is an unrepentent monster, exactly how the party planned to punish or incarcerate a [[PersonOfMassDestruction Renan Lord]] with [[NoAdequatePunishment no judicial or penal system]] is never touched on. Instead, [[VillainsDoTheDirtyWork she is killed by another villain]] shortly after her defeat, unintentionally advocating that MurderIsTheBestSolution. Likewise, the game ends \\\'\\\'entirely\\\'\\\' before any of the other problems it mentions are ever addressed.]]
