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Also, Raven doesn\\\'t classify as a villain in this show. She\\\'s an antagonist and a WildCard, but she isn\\\'t one of the villains -- villains and antagonists aren\\\'t quite the same thing. It\\\'s very common for them to overlap, which is why they\\\'re often viewed as the same thing, but Raven is one of those examples where they\\\'re not the same.

Also, Raven doesn\\\'t classify as a villain in this show. She\\\'s an antagonist and a WildCard, but she isn\\\'t one of the villains -- villains and antagonists aren\\\'t quite the same thing. It\\\'s very common for them to overlap, which is why they\\\'re often viewed as the same thing, but Raven is one of those examples where the two don\\\'t overlap.

Also, Raven doesn\\\'t classify as a villain in this show. She\\\'s an antagonist and a WildCard, but she isn\\\'t one of the villains -- villains and antagonists aren\\\'t quite the same thing. It\\\'s very common for them to overlap, which is why they\\\'re often viewed as the same thing, but Raven is one of those examples where the two things don\\\'t overlap.

Ruby is TheHero of this story. She\\\'s only ever once tried to bring Raven over to Ozpin\\\'s side. Raven dismissed her once. The subject hasn\\\'t been raised since (and hasn\\\'t had a chance to be raised), and Ruby has given no indication that she thinks Raven can\\\'t be redeemed. So, the trope isn\\\'t in effect there either.

BeyondRedemption is an objective trope, which requires TheHero to spend time trying to save the villain\\\'s soul until they reach a point where they\\\'ve come to the end of road with the villain\\\'s constant refusal/inability to be saved, and therefore decide the villain cannot be redeemed.

Ruby is TheHero of this story. She\\\'s only ever once tried to bring Raven over to Ozpin\\\'s side. Raven dismissed her once. The subject hasn\\\'t been raised since (and hasn\\\'t had a chance to be raised), and Ruby has given no indication that she thinks Raven is not redeemable. So, the trope isn\\\'t in effect there either.

Nothing like that has ever happened in the show. Qrow and Raven have never had a good relationship and it finally breaks down completely during the Battle of Haven, but Qrow is not TheHero and he hasn\\\'t been trying to redeem her in the first place. The most he\\\'s ever done is criticise her for abandoning Yang (which isn\\\'t the trope) and only once did he make a half-hearted suggestion that she return to Ozpin\\\'s side. That isn\\\'t an example of him constantly trying to redeem her, he was trying to obtain information he wanted from her at the time, and he didn\\\'t have her knowledge of Ozpin and Salem, which was the key driver of their antagonism towards each other (when he did learn that information he, like Raven, turned on Ozpin -- he may not have abandoned the fight against Salem, but he did turn on Ozpin). None of that is this trope, so Qrow wouldn\\\'t be an example even if he was TheHero.