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Cut this from the main page, will answer them in here. Will start with pointing out only a small handful of creatures in the whole \'\'series\'\' qualify as \
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Cut this from the main page, will answer them in here. Will start with pointing out only a small handful of creatures in the whole \\\'\\\'series\\\'\\\' qualify as \\\"NighInvulnerable beings that are More Powerful Than Anything Harry\\\'s Faced Before\\\", and those he usually does the sensible thing by running the hell away when he can.
* InformedAttribute: You know all those supposedly NighInvulnerable beings that are More Powerful Than Anything Harry\\\'s Faced Before? As long as they don\\\'t ambush him, they frequently get their asses kicked. It might even happen if they \\\'\\\'do\\\'\\\' ambush him. In order:
** \\\'\\\'Fool Moon\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry kills a NighInvulnerable super-werewolf with [[strike:a necklace]] an amulet]].
--->Only because said amulet was A. charged up with his magic, and B. made of inherited silver, which was explicitly pointed out as the werewolf\\\'s weakness.
** \\\'\\\'Grave Peril\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry kills a \\\'\\\'ghost\\\'\\\'. The only reason he died was because it was part of the Plan]].
--->Ghosts are uber powerful now? And you make it sound like the whole thing was Harry being a ChessMaster; it\\\'s more like he took advantage of a one-time effect to gain the upperhand.
** \\\'\\\'Summer Knight\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry kills the Summer Lady, one of the most powerful beings on earth]].
--->By exploiting her weakness (Iron) and calling in faerie backup while she was distracted. And by holding onto her MacGuffin so she couldn\\\'t just stomp him.
** \\\'\\\'Death Masks\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry nearly chokes Nicodemus to death. Note that Nicodemus is literally invulnerable, is willing host to a demon, has been around 2000 years, and no one has found this weakness before... or at least, there are no records of this]].
--->Again, this is his weakness in particular, and it doesn\\\'t kill him anyway. It was a desperation attack that mostly bought Harry time to escape.
** \\\'\\\'Blood Rites\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry defeats the head of the White Court, but doesn\\\'t kill him so that Lara can increase her influence]], and [[spoiler:reacts fast enough to get a Black Court vampire killed by a frozen turkey]].
---> Neither white nor black court vampires are \\\"NighInvulnerable beings that are More Powerful Than Anything Harry\\\'s Faced Before\\\". In fact, Black Court vamps are among the \\\'\\\'easiest\\\'\\\' to kill if you know their weaknesses. He beats the White Court king not through martial skill, but by figuring out \\\'\\\'his\\\'\\\' weakness.
** \\\'\\\'Dead Beat\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry prevents a rise to godhood by someone who was described as the most powerful being he\\\'s faced]].
---> And he does this by \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' taking him in a straight fight. He exploits a weakness in the ritual, and lets \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' kill him. The T. Rex helped as well.
** \\\'\\\'Proven Guilty\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry gets ambushed by a [[{{Alien}} xenomorph]] and defeats it]] and [[spoiler:raids Arctis Tor, the stronghold of the Winter Queen]].
---> A. Xenomorphs are hardly NighInvulnerable either (did you watch the second film?), and B. he does it while the Winter Queen \\\'\\\'isn\\\'t there\\\'\\\', and with the help of the Summer Lady, who is considerably powerful herself. Also, by exploiting the Faeries\\\' weakness to Iron.
** \\\'\\\'Small Favor\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry almost chokes Nicodemus to death \\\'\\\'again\\\'\\\']] and [[spoiler:defeats all of the gruffs, including one the size of a freight train]].
---> Neither of the first two sets of Gruffs were NighInvulnerable or all \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' powerful. Remember, Harry \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' one of the stronger wizards as far as raw strength goes. And he mostly just runs away from them anyway. The one that \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' super powerful he doesn\\\'t fight at all.
** \\\'\\\'Turn Coat\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry almost kills the semidivine skinwalker with no knowledge of any possible weaknesses]].
---> As I mentioned in the Edit Reasons, Harry doesn\\\'t come \\\'\\\'close\\\'\\\' to doing that kind of damage on the Skinwalker. He hits it pretty hard, but it just gets right back up and knocks him for a loop. It\\\'s only the intervention of Toot and Injun Joe that saved him at all.
** \\\'\\\'Changes\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:with only a few seconds to plan, Harry figures out how to kill the \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' Red Court]].
---> This entirely ignores that the details of the ritual had been explained to Harry and set up for \\\'\\\'the entire book\\\'\\\'. That \\\"few seconds\\\" wasn\\\'t to \\\'\\\'plan\\\'\\\', it was just when he \\\'\\\'realized\\\'\\\' it.
Honestly, I\\\'m getting a vibe here like that guy a few months ago that kept wanting to call Harry a GodModeSue.
* InformedAttribute: You know all those supposedly NighInvulnerable beings that are More Powerful Than Anything Harry\\\'s Faced Before? As long as they don\\\'t ambush him, they frequently get their asses kicked. It might even happen if they \\\'\\\'do\\\'\\\' ambush him. In order:
** \\\'\\\'Fool Moon\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry kills a NighInvulnerable super-werewolf with [[strike:a necklace]] an amulet]].
--->Only because said amulet was A. charged up with his magic, and B. made of inherited silver, which was explicitly pointed out as the werewolf\\\'s weakness.
** \\\'\\\'Grave Peril\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry kills a \\\'\\\'ghost\\\'\\\'. The only reason he died was because it was part of the Plan]].
--->Ghosts are uber powerful now? And you make it sound like the whole thing was Harry being a ChessMaster; it\\\'s more like he took advantage of a one-time effect to gain the upperhand.
** \\\'\\\'Summer Knight\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry kills the Summer Lady, one of the most powerful beings on earth]].
--->By exploiting her weakness (Iron) and calling in faerie backup while she was distracted. And by holding onto her MacGuffin so she couldn\\\'t just stomp him.
** \\\'\\\'Death Masks\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry nearly chokes Nicodemus to death. Note that Nicodemus is literally invulnerable, is willing host to a demon, has been around 2000 years, and no one has found this weakness before... or at least, there are no records of this]].
--->Again, this is his weakness in particular, and it doesn\\\'t kill him anyway. It was a desperation attack that mostly bought Harry time to escape.
** \\\'\\\'Blood Rites\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry defeats the head of the White Court, but doesn\\\'t kill him so that Lara can increase her influence]], and [[spoiler:reacts fast enough to get a Black Court vampire killed by a frozen turkey]].
---> Neither white nor black court vampires are \\\"NighInvulnerable beings that are More Powerful Than Anything Harry\\\'s Faced Before\\\". In fact, Black Court vamps are among the \\\'\\\'easiest\\\'\\\' to kill if you know their weaknesses. He beats the White Court king not through martial skill, but by figuring out \\\'\\\'his\\\'\\\' weakness.
** \\\'\\\'Dead Beat\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry prevents a rise to godhood by someone who was described as the most powerful being he\\\'s faced]].
---> And he does this by \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' taking him in a straight fight. He exploits a weakness in the ritual, and lets \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' kill him. The T. Rex helped as well.
** \\\'\\\'Proven Guilty\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry gets ambushed by a [[{{Alien}} xenomorph]] and defeats it]] and [[spoiler:raids Arctis Tor, the stronghold of the Winter Queen]].
---> A. Xenomorphs are hardly NighInvulnerable either (did you watch the second film?), and B. he does it while the Winter Queen \\\'\\\'isn\\\'t there\\\'\\\', and with the help of the Summer Lady, who is considerably powerful herself. Also, by exploiting the Faeries\\\' weakness to Iron.
** \\\'\\\'Small Favor\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry almost chokes Nicodemus to death \\\'\\\'again\\\'\\\']] and [[spoiler:defeats all of the gruffs, including one the size of a freight train]].
---> Neither of the first two sets of Gruffs were NighInvulnerable or all \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' powerful. Remember, Harry \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' one of the stronger wizards as far as raw strength goes. And he mostly just runs away from them anyway. The one that \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' super powerful he doesn\\\'t fight at all.
** \\\'\\\'Turn Coat\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry almost kills the semidivine skinwalker with no knowledge of any possible weaknesses]].
---> As I mentioned in the Edit Reasons, Harry doesn\\\'t come \\\'\\\'close\\\'\\\' to doing that kind of damage on the Skinwalker. He hits it pretty hard, but it just gets right back up and knocks him for a loop. It\\\'s only the intervention of Toot and Injun Joe that saved him at all.
** \\\'\\\'Changes\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:with only a few seconds to plan, Harry figures out how to kill the \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' Red Court]].
---> This entirely ignores that the details of the ritual had been explained to Harry and set up for \\\'\\\'the entire book\\\'\\\'. That \\\"few seconds\\\" wasn\\\'t to \\\'\\\'plan\\\'\\\', it was just when he \\\'\\\'realized\\\'\\\' it.
Honestly, I\\\'m getting a vibe here like that guy a few months ago that kept wanting to call Harry a GodModeSue.
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Cut this from the main page, will answer them in here. Will start with pointing out only a small handful of creatures in the whole \\\'\\\'series\\\'\\\' qualify as \\\"NighInvulnerable beings that are More Powerful Than Anything Harry\\\'s Faced Before\\\", and those he usually does the sensible thing by running the hell away when he can.
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---> Neither white nor black court vampires are \\\"NighInvulnerable beings that are More Powerful Than Anything Harry\\\'s Faced Before\\\". In fact, Black Court vamps are among the \\\'\\\'easiest\\\'\\\' to kill if you know their weaknesses. He beats the White Court king not through martial skill, but by figuring out \\\'\\\'his\\\'\\\' weakness.
** \\\'\\\'Dead Beat\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry prevents a rise to godhood by someone who was described as the most powerful being he\\\'s faced]].
---> And he does this by \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' taking him in a straight fight. He exploits a weakness in the ritual, and lets \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' kill him. The T. Rex helped as well.
** \\\'\\\'Proven Guilty\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry gets ambushed by a [[{{Alien}} xenomorph]] and defeats it]] and [[spoiler:raids Arctis Tor, the stronghold of the Winter Queen]].
---> A. Xenomorphs are hardly NighInvulnerable either (did you watch the second film?), and B. he does it while the Winter Queen \\\'\\\'isn\\\'t there\\\'\\\', and with the help of the Summer Lady, who is considerably powerful herself. Also, by exploiting the Faeries\\\' weakness to Iron.
** \\\'\\\'Small Favor\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry almost chokes Nicodemus to death \\\'\\\'again\\\'\\\']] and [[spoiler:defeats all of the gruffs, including one the size of a freight train]].
---> Neither of the first two sets of Gruffs were NighInvulnerable or all \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' powerful. Remember, Harry \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' one of the stronger wizards as far as raw strength goes. And he mostly just runs away from them anyway. The one that \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' super powerful he doesn\\\'t fight at all.
** \\\'\\\'Turn Coat\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry almost kills the semidivine skinwalker with no knowledge of any possible weaknesses]].
---> As I mentioned in the Edit Reasons, Harry doesn\\\'t come \\\'\\\'close\\\'\\\' to doing that kind of damage on the Skinwalker. He hits it pretty hard, but it just gets right back up and knocks him for a loop. It\\\'s only the intervention of Toot and Injun Joe that saved him at all.
** \\\'\\\'Changes\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:with only a few seconds to plan, Harry figures out how to kill the \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' Red Court]].
---> This entirely ignores that the details of the ritual had been explained to Harry and set up for \\\'\\\'the entire book\\\'\\\'. That \\\"few seconds\\\" wasn\\\'t to \\\'\\\'plan\\\'\\\', it was just when he \\\'\\\'realized\\\'\\\' it.
** \\\'\\\'Dead Beat\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry prevents a rise to godhood by someone who was described as the most powerful being he\\\'s faced]].
---> And he does this by \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' taking him in a straight fight. He exploits a weakness in the ritual, and lets \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' kill him. The T. Rex helped as well.
** \\\'\\\'Proven Guilty\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry gets ambushed by a [[{{Alien}} xenomorph]] and defeats it]] and [[spoiler:raids Arctis Tor, the stronghold of the Winter Queen]].
---> A. Xenomorphs are hardly NighInvulnerable either (did you watch the second film?), and B. he does it while the Winter Queen \\\'\\\'isn\\\'t there\\\'\\\', and with the help of the Summer Lady, who is considerably powerful herself. Also, by exploiting the Faeries\\\' weakness to Iron.
** \\\'\\\'Small Favor\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry almost chokes Nicodemus to death \\\'\\\'again\\\'\\\']] and [[spoiler:defeats all of the gruffs, including one the size of a freight train]].
---> Neither of the first two sets of Gruffs were NighInvulnerable or all \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' powerful. Remember, Harry \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' one of the stronger wizards as far as raw strength goes. And he mostly just runs away from them anyway. The one that \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' super powerful he doesn\\\'t fight at all.
** \\\'\\\'Turn Coat\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:Harry almost kills the semidivine skinwalker with no knowledge of any possible weaknesses]].
---> As I mentioned in the Edit Reasons, Harry doesn\\\'t come \\\'\\\'close\\\'\\\' to doing that kind of damage on the Skinwalker. He hits it pretty hard, but it just gets right back up and knocks him for a loop. It\\\'s only the intervention of Toot and Injun Joe that saved him at all.
** \\\'\\\'Changes\\\'\\\': [[spoiler:with only a few seconds to plan, Harry figures out how to kill the \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' Red Court]].
---> This entirely ignores that the details of the ritual had been explained to Harry and set up for \\\'\\\'the entire book\\\'\\\'. That \\\"few seconds\\\" wasn\\\'t to \\\'\\\'plan\\\'\\\', it was just when he \\\'\\\'realized\\\'\\\' it.
