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[008] ThunderMite42 Current Version
25th Aug '20 at 01:12:11 PM
[007] Wyldchyld
11th Oct '19 at 05:48:37 AM
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Ozpin isn\'t a deconstruction. He\'s walking a fairly standard BigGood path. The standard path for a BigGood (especially one in TheMentor role, because it\'s common for TheMentor, too) is:
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Ozpin isn\\\'t a deconstruction. He\\\'s walking a fairly standard BigGood path. The common path for a BigGood (especially one in TheMentor role, because it\\\'s common for TheMentor, too) is:
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So, yeah, Ozpin is a standard BigGood. The reason that Ironwood is only a deconstruction of the trope at best is because he\'s never been a Big Good in this story, but he\'s spent the entire story desperately wanting to be one.
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So, yeah, Ozpin is a normal BigGood. The reason that Ironwood is only a deconstruction of the trope at best is because he\\\'s never been a Big Good in this story, but he\\\'s spent the entire story desperately wanting to be one.
[006] Wyldchyld
11th Oct '19 at 05:46:57 AM
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Volume 6 gave us Point Number 2 and the set up for Point Number 3. Volume 7 is pretty much going to be all about Point Number 3.
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Volume 6 gave us Point Number 2 and the set up for Point Number 3. I\\\'m expecting Volume 7 to be all about Point Number 3.
[005] Wyldchyld
11th Oct '19 at 05:45:51 AM
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* The heroes move forward, once more united with the purpose of the Big Good, but far wiser to the nuances of the world due to a better understanding of the Big Good as a flawed, but good, person, which gives them a better understanding of the flawed, nuanced world they live in.
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* The heroes move forward, once more united with the purpose of the Big Good, but far wiser to the nuances of the world due to a better understanding of the Big Good as a flawed, but good, person, which is symbolic of their better understanding of the flawed, nuanced world they live in.
[004] Wyldchyld
11th Oct '19 at 05:45:21 AM
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* The heroes learn more about the Big Good, again undoing what they thought they knew about him and allowing reconcilation to happen.
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* The heroes learn more about the Big Good (they finally learn the best of him), again undoing what they thought they knew about him and allowing reconciliation to happen.
[003] Wyldchyld
11th Oct '19 at 05:43:58 AM
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Sorry, let\'s try this in a more readable way.
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Sorry, my first response was a bit unreadable, so this is a rewrite of my response to avoid waffle.
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Ozpin isn\'t a deconstruction. He\'s walking a fairly standard BigGood path.

The standard path for a BigGood (especially one in TheMentor role, because it\'s common for TheMentor, too) is:
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Ozpin isn\\\'t a deconstruction. He\\\'s walking a fairly standard BigGood path. The standard path for a BigGood (especially one in TheMentor role, because it\\\'s common for TheMentor, too) is:
[002] Wyldchyld
11th Oct '19 at 05:42:49 AM
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Ozpin isn\'t really a deconstruction. It\'s very common for the BigGood in a story to have that BrokenPedestal moment where the protagonists learn something about his past, or are told a lie that they believe, that breaks their faith in the BigGood. And then, later on the full truth comes out about the BigGood for a reconciliation to happen. Sometimes the reconciliation happens at the moment of the death of the BigGood, sometimes it happens after his death... in stories where the BigGood dies, that is. However, it\'s very common for the reason for the secrecy in the first place to have been that the BigGood understands that the nuance would be lost on the heroes because they don\'t have the wisdom and/or experience to full appreciate the full situation at the time they learn the truth. That\'s pretty much what\'s happened in RWBY as well.
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Sorry, let\\\'s try this in a more readable way.
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So, Ozpin\'s path is so far pretty standard for a BigGood -- especially a BigGood who is following the TheMentor path (because this is common with TheMentor role, too). And, the thing is, the revelations about Ozpin aren\'t even that shocking. Everyone already pretty much knew Salem had to be immortal because they already knew that Ozpin had been trying to defeat her for thousands of years and kept failing. What they didn\'t know was just how indestructable and that Ozpin didn\'t have a plan for defeating her.
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Ozpin isn\\\'t a deconstruction. He\\\'s walking a fairly standard BigGood path.
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However, the back story not only exonerates him of almost all of the blame but actually proves him right about the reason why he doesn\'t tell the truth about Salem in the first place -- he was trying to tell the heroes that no-one can handle the truth about Salem. Yang dismissed that claiming that they\'d still support him even after knowing the truth. Ozpin pointed out that Leo had said the exact same thing to him. Then the truth comes out and they react exactly as Ozpin predicted they would -- with panic, fear and rejection.
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The standard path for a BigGood (especially one in TheMentor role, because it\\\'s common for TheMentor, too) is:
* The Big Good is deeply respected by the heroes, who follow his guidance faithfully.
* There is a revelation about the Big Good to the heroes that puts him in the worst possible light and undoes everything they thought they knew about him.
* The heroes attempt to go it alone without the Big Good\\\'s leadership or guidance and start going down the wrong path (even if only slightly)
* The heroes learn more about the Big Good, again undoing what they thought they knew about him and allowing reconcilation to happen.
* The heroes move forward, once more united with the purpose of the Big Good, but far wiser to the nuances of the world due to a better understanding of the Big Good as a flawed, but good, person, which gives them a better understanding of the flawed, nuanced world they live in.
* The Big Good learns in the process to hand the reins to the next generation and will inevitably be deeply humbled and proud of the heroes.
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From a character analysis perspective, all the show has shown us so far is that Ozpin has a good reason to believe that it\'s a really bad idea to tell people the truth: there\'s Raven, the previous Spring Maiden, Leo, and now the heroes.
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Volume 6 gave us Point Number 2 and the set up for Point Number 3. Volume 7 is pretty much going to be all about Point Number 3.
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So, by the standards of skeletons in the closets of the story\'s BigGood, Ozpin\'s are really minor, and the fandom has not been as on board with the heroes\' reactions to those skeletons as would normally be the case in other stories.
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So, yeah, Ozpin is a standard BigGood. The reason that Ironwood is only a deconstruction of the trope at best is because he\\\'s never been a Big Good in this story, but he\\\'s spent the entire story desperately wanting to be one.
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[001] Wyldchyld
11th Oct '19 at 05:28:15 AM
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Ozpin isn\'t really a deconstruction. It\'s very common for the BigGood in a story to have that BrokenPedestal moment where the protagonists learn something about his past, or are told a lie that they believe, that breaks their faith in the BigGood. And then, later on the full truth comes out about the BigGood for a reconciliation to happen. Sometimes the reconciliation happens at the moment of the death of the BigGood, sometimes it happens after his death... in stories where the BigGood dies, that is.
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Ozpin isn\\\'t really a deconstruction. It\\\'s very common for the BigGood in a story to have that BrokenPedestal moment where the protagonists learn something about his past, or are told a lie that they believe, that breaks their faith in the BigGood. And then, later on the full truth comes out about the BigGood for a reconciliation to happen. Sometimes the reconciliation happens at the moment of the death of the BigGood, sometimes it happens after his death... in stories where the BigGood dies, that is. However, it\\\'s very common for the reason for the secrecy in the first place to have been that the BigGood understands that the nuance would be lost on the heroes because they don\\\'t have the wisdom and/or experience to full appreciate the full situation at the time they learn the truth. That\\\'s pretty much what\\\'s happened in RWBY as well.

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