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What I would say is that Ironwood does seem to see himself as a BigGood and he does seem to want to be a BigGood, but that doesn\'t mean he\'s actually playing the role -- indeed, the in-universe criticism of him has really been because of the difference that exists between what he wants to be and what he really is. Depending on how the Atlas arc plays out, I could see an argument being made that Ironwood is an in-universe deconstruction of the BigGood trope rather than a genuine BigGood example -- he so desperately wants to be, but his actions get deconstructed by other protagonists in-universe, and he doesn\'t have the impact of the people of Remnant that he wants (he wants them to feel safe, but his actions make them feel the opposite, and allow the villains to manipulate him to magnify that problem and make people blame Atlas for the fall of Beacon).
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What I would say is that Ironwood does seem to see himself as a BigGood and he does seem to want to be a BigGood, but that doesn\\\'t mean he\\\'s actually playing the role -- indeed, the in-universe criticism of him has really been because of the difference that exists between what he wants to be and what he really is. Depending on how the Atlas arc plays out, I could see an argument being made that Ironwood is an in-universe deconstruction of the BigGood trope rather than a genuine BigGood example -- he so desperately wants to be, but his actions get deconstructed by other protagonists in-universe, and he doesn\\\'t have the impact of the people of Remnant that he wants (for example, he wants them to feel safe, but his actions make them feel the opposite, and allow the villains to manipulate him to magnify that problem and make people blame Atlas for the fall of Beacon).
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What I would say is that Ironwood does seem to see himself as a BigGood and he does seem to want to be a BigGood, but that doesn\'t mean he\'s actually playing the role -- indeed, the in-universe criticism of him has really been because of the difference that exists between what he wants to be and what he really is. Depending on how the Atlas arc plays out, I could see an argument being made that Ironwood is an in-universe deconstruction of the BigGood trope rather than a genuine BigGood example -- he so desperately wants to be, but his actions get deconstructed in-universe, and he doesn\'t have the impact of the people of Remnant that he wants (he wants them to feel safe, but his actions make them feel the opposite, and allow the villains to manipulate him to magnify that problem and make people blame Atlas for the fall of Beacon).
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What I would say is that Ironwood does seem to see himself as a BigGood and he does seem to want to be a BigGood, but that doesn\\\'t mean he\\\'s actually playing the role -- indeed, the in-universe criticism of him has really been because of the difference that exists between what he wants to be and what he really is. Depending on how the Atlas arc plays out, I could see an argument being made that Ironwood is an in-universe deconstruction of the BigGood trope rather than a genuine BigGood example -- he so desperately wants to be, but his actions get deconstructed by other protagonists in-universe, and he doesn\\\'t have the impact of the people of Remnant that he wants (he wants them to feel safe, but his actions make them feel the opposite, and allow the villains to manipulate him to magnify that problem and make people blame Atlas for the fall of Beacon).
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What I would say is that Ironwood does seem to see himself as a BigGood and he does seem to want to be a BigGood, but that doesn\'t mean he\'s actually playing the role -- indeed, the in-universe criticism of him has really been because of the difference that exists between what he wants to be and what he really is. Depending on how the Atlas arc plays out, I could see an argument being made that Ironwood is an in-universe deconstruction of the BigGood trope rather than a genuine BigGood example -- he so desperately wants to be, but his actions get deconstruction in-universe, and he doesn\'t have the impact of the people of Remnant that he wants (he wants them to feel safe, but his actions make them feel the opposite, and allow the villains to manipulate him to magnify that problem and make people blame Atlas for the fall of Beacon).
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What I would say is that Ironwood does seem to see himself as a BigGood and he does seem to want to be a BigGood, but that doesn\\\'t mean he\\\'s actually playing the role -- indeed, the in-universe criticism of him has really been because of the difference that exists between what he wants to be and what he really is. Depending on how the Atlas arc plays out, I could see an argument being made that Ironwood is an in-universe deconstruction of the BigGood trope rather than a genuine BigGood example -- he so desperately wants to be, but his actions get deconstructed in-universe, and he doesn\\\'t have the impact of the people of Remnant that he wants (he wants them to feel safe, but his actions make them feel the opposite, and allow the villains to manipulate him to magnify that problem and make people blame Atlas for the fall of Beacon).
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What I would say is that Ironwood does seem to see himself as a BigGood and he does seem to want to be a BigGood, but that doesn\'t mean he\'s actually playing the role -- indeed, the in-universe criticism of him has really been because of the difference that exists between what he wants to be and what he really is.
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What I would say is that Ironwood does seem to see himself as a BigGood and he does seem to want to be a BigGood, but that doesn\\\'t mean he\\\'s actually playing the role -- indeed, the in-universe criticism of him has really been because of the difference that exists between what he wants to be and what he really is. Depending on how the Atlas arc plays out, I could see an argument being made that Ironwood is an in-universe deconstruction of the BigGood trope rather than a genuine BigGood example -- he so desperately wants to be, but his actions get deconstruction in-universe, and he doesn\\\'t have the impact of the people of Remnant that he wants (he wants them to feel safe, but his actions make them feel the opposite, and allow the villains to manipulate him to magnify that problem and make people blame Atlas for the fall of Beacon).
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That\'s the situation we see in this story. Ironwood\'s situation has not changed from the very first moment he was introduced to the show -- he has always had two seats on the council and he has always commanded the only army in the entire setting on top of his \'army\' of Huntsmen. He has therefore always been the character that\'s held the most power of all the protagonists, but he has never played a BigGood role. The role of BigGood in this story has been defined by wisdom and experience, not by physical might. Indeed, that very point has been discussed in-universe multiple times, including the idea that physical might isn\'t the key to stopping the BigBad. Even the pilot episode warns \'there will be no victory in strength\' and that the key lies with a \'simple soul\' (which we think is Ruby).
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That\\\'s the situation we see in this story. Ironwood\\\'s situation has not changed from the very first moment he was introduced to the show -- he has always had two seats on the council and he has always commanded the only army in the entire setting on top of his \\\'army\\\' of Huntsmen. He has therefore always been the character that\\\'s held the most power of all the protagonists, but he has never played a BigGood role. The role of BigGood in this story has been defined by wisdom and experience, not by physical might. Indeed, that very point has been discussed in-universe multiple times, including the idea that physical might isn\\\'t the key to stopping the BigBad. Even the pilot episode warns \\\'there will be no victory in strength\\\' and that the key lies with a \\\'simple soul\\\' (which we think is Ruby). And the protagonists warn Ironwood that, while he wants the world to look to him for reassurance, they will instead look to him in fear -- because his might does not represent safety to the people, it represents war.
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That\'s the situation we see in this story. Ironwood\'s situation has not changed from the very first moment he was introduced to the show -- he has always had two seats on the council and he has always commanded the only army in the entire setting on top of his \'army\' of Huntsmen. He has therefore always been the character that\'s held the most power of all the protagonists. The role of BigGood in this story has been defined by wisdom and experience, not by physical might. Indeed, that very point has been discussed in-universe multiple times, including the idea that physical might isn\'t the key to stopping the BigBad. Even the pilot episode warns \'there will be no victory in strength\' and that the key lies with a \'simple soul\' (which we think is Ruby).
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That\\\'s the situation we see in this story. Ironwood\\\'s situation has not changed from the very first moment he was introduced to the show -- he has always had two seats on the council and he has always commanded the only army in the entire setting on top of his \\\'army\\\' of Huntsmen. He has therefore always been the character that\\\'s held the most power of all the protagonists, but he has never played a BigGood role. The role of BigGood in this story has been defined by wisdom and experience, not by physical might. Indeed, that very point has been discussed in-universe multiple times, including the idea that physical might isn\\\'t the key to stopping the BigBad. Even the pilot episode warns \\\'there will be no victory in strength\\\' and that the key lies with a \\\'simple soul\\\' (which we think is Ruby).
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Ironwood holding two seats on the council and controlling the only army in the whole of the story\'s setting does not automatically make him a BigGood; a character who is TheLeader of the most powerful protagonist force certainly can be a BigGood, but they\'re not automatically that trope. It\'s trope shoehorning to act like that\'s all that\'s needed for a character to be a BigGood. There\'s more to the trope than just that, which is why a story with only one BigGood will often not give the role to the most physically and/or politically powerful leader in the setting -- the BigGood in these stories, will usually be TheMentor instead, with the story\'s role being defined by wisdom and experience instead of physical might.
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Ironwood holding two seats on the council and controlling the only army in the whole of the story\\\'s setting does not automatically make him a BigGood; a character who is TheLeader of the most powerful protagonist force certainly can be a BigGood, but they\\\'re not automatically that trope. It\\\'s trope shoehorning to act like that\\\'s all that\\\'s needed for a character to be a BigGood. There\\\'s more to the trope than just that, which is why a story with only one BigGood will often not give the role to the most physically and/or politically powerful leader in the setting -- the BigGood in these stories will usually be TheMentor instead, with the story\\\'s role being defined by wisdom and experience instead of physical might.
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Ironwood holding two seats on the council and controlling the only army in the whole of the story\'s setting does not automatically make him a BigGood; a character who is TheLeader of the most powerful protagonist force certainly can be a BigGood, but they\'re not automatically that trope. It\'s trope shoehorning to act like that\'s all that\'s needed for a character to be a BigGood. There\'s more to the trope than just that. Indeed, a BigGood in a story doesn\'t even need to be the protagonist with the most power in the setting -- it\'s very common for a story with only one BigGood to assign that role to TheMentor instead of the most powerful protagonist.
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Ironwood holding two seats on the council and controlling the only army in the whole of the story\\\'s setting does not automatically make him a BigGood; a character who is TheLeader of the most powerful protagonist force certainly can be a BigGood, but they\\\'re not automatically that trope. It\\\'s trope shoehorning to act like that\\\'s all that\\\'s needed for a character to be a BigGood. There\\\'s more to the trope than just that, which is why a story with only one BigGood will often not give the role to the most physically and/or politically powerful leader in the setting -- the BigGood in these stories, will usually be TheMentor instead, with the story\\\'s role being defined by wisdom and experience instead of physical might.
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Ironwood\'s situation has not changed from the very first moment he was introduced to the show -- he has always had two seats on the council and he has always commanded the only army in the entire setting on top of his \'army\' of Huntsmen. He has therefore always been the character that\'s held the most power of all the protagonists. The role of BigGood in this story has been defined by wisdom and experience, not by physical might. Indeed, that very point has been discussed in-universe multiple times, including the idea that physical might isn\'t the key to stopping the BigBad. Even the pilot episode warns \'there will be no victory in strength\' and that the key lies with a \'simple soul\' (which we think is Ruby).
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That\\\'s the situation we see in this story. Ironwood\\\'s situation has not changed from the very first moment he was introduced to the show -- he has always had two seats on the council and he has always commanded the only army in the entire setting on top of his \\\'army\\\' of Huntsmen. He has therefore always been the character that\\\'s held the most power of all the protagonists. The role of BigGood in this story has been defined by wisdom and experience, not by physical might. Indeed, that very point has been discussed in-universe multiple times, including the idea that physical might isn\\\'t the key to stopping the BigBad. Even the pilot episode warns \\\'there will be no victory in strength\\\' and that the key lies with a \\\'simple soul\\\' (which we think is Ruby).
