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1. The DesignatedVillain trope is IMO not applicable. His stance is actually pointed to as justifiable, (\
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1. The DesignatedVillain trope is IMO not applicable. His stance is actually pointed to as justifiable, (\\\"Dude hates Titans.\\\" \\\"Yeah, well you would too if you were him.\\\") he\\\'s actually presented as much more reasonable about it than any other Titan-hater in the movie (\\\"Look, I want him dead more than anyone, but unless this is a fight you KNOW you can win, for God\\\'s sake stand down!\\\") and he even comes to terms with it as CharacterDevelopment over the course of the movie. He\\\'s not presented as a villain at all.
2. I feel like the three UnintentionallyUnsympathetic entries on this page are off, and that they\\\'d be better off as entries on separate tropes. As follows:
Dr. Serizawa & Emma Russell: I don\\\'t believe they\\\'re meant to be unquestioningly right or sympathetic, though there is probably something to be said for the film\\\'s MESSAGE and the handling thereof. This should combine the essence of both into a single entry and more appropriate trope:
* StrawmanHasAPoint: A number of people in the movie, representatives of the US government in particular, are portrayed as in the wrong for wanting to kill the Titans before they awaken. Especially underscoring this is that BLANK. However, considering the sheer destruction [[Film/Godzilla2014 the MUTOs inflicted last time]] (not to mention [[DestructiveSaviour the damage Godzilla did stopping them]]), not wanting to risk global destruction purely because Monarch don\\\'t want Titan blood on their hands due to research that is, at best, still largely theoretical despite years to run research on them is a reasonable stance to take, on the face of it, and no-one could have known that BLANK. Not helping is that the most vocal and unquestioning proponent of the Titans\\\' benevolence is Emma Russell, whose beliefs and plans are considered insane and dangerous even by the rest of Monarch and who BLANK.
Dr. Chen: Seems like someone took a lot of offence to that part of the movie. Let\\\'s dial back on that and move it elsewhere:
* CriticalResearchFailure: In one scene, Dr. Chen questions Jack\\\'s view of mythological dragons, saying that while in the West dragons are portrayed as dangerous monsters who must be slain, in the East they are benevolent creatures who bring wisdom, prosperity and redemption. Granted it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' true that dragons are generally portrayed in a more positive light in the East than they are in the West, but Eastern mythology still has its share of malevolent dragons such as the {{Orochi}} -- a liquor-guzzling, maiden-eating monster that would fit right into the Western dragon-slaying narrative.
Any questions?
EDIT: The stupid discussion page doesn\\\'t recognise spoiler tags for some reason. Removed plot-sensitive information for now.
2. I feel like the three UnintentionallyUnsympathetic entries on this page are off, and that they\\\'d be better off as entries on separate tropes. As follows:
Dr. Serizawa & Emma Russell: I don\\\'t believe they\\\'re meant to be unquestioningly right or sympathetic, though there is probably something to be said for the film\\\'s MESSAGE and the handling thereof. This should combine the essence of both into a single entry and more appropriate trope:
* StrawmanHasAPoint: A number of people in the movie, representatives of the US government in particular, are portrayed as in the wrong for wanting to kill the Titans before they awaken. Especially underscoring this is that BLANK. However, considering the sheer destruction [[Film/Godzilla2014 the MUTOs inflicted last time]] (not to mention [[DestructiveSaviour the damage Godzilla did stopping them]]), not wanting to risk global destruction purely because Monarch don\\\'t want Titan blood on their hands due to research that is, at best, still largely theoretical despite years to run research on them is a reasonable stance to take, on the face of it, and no-one could have known that BLANK. Not helping is that the most vocal and unquestioning proponent of the Titans\\\' benevolence is Emma Russell, whose beliefs and plans are considered insane and dangerous even by the rest of Monarch and who BLANK.
Dr. Chen: Seems like someone took a lot of offence to that part of the movie. Let\\\'s dial back on that and move it elsewhere:
* CriticalResearchFailure: In one scene, Dr. Chen questions Jack\\\'s view of mythological dragons, saying that while in the West dragons are portrayed as dangerous monsters who must be slain, in the East they are benevolent creatures who bring wisdom, prosperity and redemption. Granted it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' true that dragons are generally portrayed in a more positive light in the East than they are in the West, but Eastern mythology still has its share of malevolent dragons such as the {{Orochi}} -- a liquor-guzzling, maiden-eating monster that would fit right into the Western dragon-slaying narrative.
Any questions?
EDIT: The stupid discussion page doesn\\\'t recognise spoiler tags for some reason. Removed plot-sensitive information for now.
Changed line(s) 3 from:
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1. The DesignatedVillain trope is IMO not applicable. His stance is actually pointed to as justifiable, (\
to:
1. The DesignatedVillain trope is IMO not applicable. His stance is actually pointed to as justifiable, (\\\"Dude hates Titans.\\\" \\\"Yeah, well you would too if you were him.\\\") he\\\'s actually presented as much more reasonable about it than any other Titan-hater in the movie (\\\"Look, I want him dead more than anyone, but unless this is a fight you KNOW you can win, for God\\\'s sake stand down!\\\") and he even comes to terms with it as CharacterDevelopment over the course of the movie. He\\\'s not presented as a villain at all.
2. I feel like the three UnintentionallyUnsympathetic entries on this page are off, and that they\\\'d be better off as entries on separate tropes. As follows:
Dr. Serizawa & Emma Russell: I don\\\'t believe they\\\'re meant to be unquestioningly right or sympathetic, though there is probably something to be said for the film\\\'s MESSAGE and the handling thereof. This should combine the essence of both into a single entry and more appropriate trope:
* StrawmanHasAPoint: A number of people in the movie, representatives of the US government in particular, are portrayed as in the wrong for wanting to kill the Titans before they awaken. Especially underscoring this is that [[spoiler:[[NiceJobBreakingItHero the military\\\'s oxygen destroyer bomb kills Godzilla but not Ghidorah, leaving Ghidorah free to dominate Earth\\\'s Titans and send them rampaging across the world]]]]. However, considering the sheer destruction [[Film/Godzilla2014 the MUTOs inflicted last time]] (not to mention [[DestructiveSaviour the damage Godzilla did stopping them]]), not wanting to risk global destruction purely because Monarch don\\\'t want Titan blood on their hands due to research that is, at best, still largely theoretical despite years to run research on them is a reasonable stance to take, on the face of it, and no-one could have known that [[spoiler:Ghidorah could survive something designed to kill any terrestrial life instantly]]. Not helping is that the most vocal and unquestioning proponent of the Titans\\\' benevolence is Emma Russell, whose beliefs and plans are considered insane and dangerous even by the rest of Monarch and who [[spoiler:is indirectly responsible for unprecedented levels of destruction because it was her plan to let Ghidorah out in the first place]].
Dr. Chen: Seems like someone took a lot of offence to that part of the movie. Let\\\'s dial back on that and move it elsewhere:
* CriticalResearchFailure: In one scene, Dr. Chen questions Jack\\\'s view of mythological dragons, saying that while in the West dragons are portrayed as dangerous monsters who must be slain, in the East they are benevolent creatures who bring wisdom, prosperity and redemption. Granted it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' true that dragons are generally portrayed in a more positive light in the East than they are in the West, but Eastern mythology still has its share of malevolent dragons such as the {{Orochi}} -- a liquor-guzzling, maiden-eating monster that would fit right into the Western dragon-slaying narrative.
Any questions?
2. I feel like the three UnintentionallyUnsympathetic entries on this page are off, and that they\\\'d be better off as entries on separate tropes. As follows:
Dr. Serizawa & Emma Russell: I don\\\'t believe they\\\'re meant to be unquestioningly right or sympathetic, though there is probably something to be said for the film\\\'s MESSAGE and the handling thereof. This should combine the essence of both into a single entry and more appropriate trope:
* StrawmanHasAPoint: A number of people in the movie, representatives of the US government in particular, are portrayed as in the wrong for wanting to kill the Titans before they awaken. Especially underscoring this is that [[spoiler:[[NiceJobBreakingItHero the military\\\'s oxygen destroyer bomb kills Godzilla but not Ghidorah, leaving Ghidorah free to dominate Earth\\\'s Titans and send them rampaging across the world]]]]. However, considering the sheer destruction [[Film/Godzilla2014 the MUTOs inflicted last time]] (not to mention [[DestructiveSaviour the damage Godzilla did stopping them]]), not wanting to risk global destruction purely because Monarch don\\\'t want Titan blood on their hands due to research that is, at best, still largely theoretical despite years to run research on them is a reasonable stance to take, on the face of it, and no-one could have known that [[spoiler:Ghidorah could survive something designed to kill any terrestrial life instantly]]. Not helping is that the most vocal and unquestioning proponent of the Titans\\\' benevolence is Emma Russell, whose beliefs and plans are considered insane and dangerous even by the rest of Monarch and who [[spoiler:is indirectly responsible for unprecedented levels of destruction because it was her plan to let Ghidorah out in the first place]].
Dr. Chen: Seems like someone took a lot of offence to that part of the movie. Let\\\'s dial back on that and move it elsewhere:
* CriticalResearchFailure: In one scene, Dr. Chen questions Jack\\\'s view of mythological dragons, saying that while in the West dragons are portrayed as dangerous monsters who must be slain, in the East they are benevolent creatures who bring wisdom, prosperity and redemption. Granted it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' true that dragons are generally portrayed in a more positive light in the East than they are in the West, but Eastern mythology still has its share of malevolent dragons such as the {{Orochi}} -- a liquor-guzzling, maiden-eating monster that would fit right into the Western dragon-slaying narrative.
Any questions?
