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[004] XFllo Current Version

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Per ATT, Internet Backdraft should not be published immediately after the release of a work. There\'s a six-month waiting period.

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*** Daenerys\\\'s \\\"paranoia\\\" is presented as a sign of growing insanity despite her being [[ProperlyParanoid completely right]] that people \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' plotting to betray her (Varys is trying to poison her), and that she correctly guessed how word got from Jon, through Sansa and Tyrion, to Varys. Again, Tywin back in Season 2 executed his own soldiers to investigate the assassination attempt on his life (which the audience knows to be false), yet his sanity is never questioned. After all, Daenerys still keeps Tyrion as Hand of the Queen despite him repeatedly failing her \\\'\\\'during a war\\\'\\\'. Brynden Rivers and Ned Stark, while serving \\\"less tyrannical\\\" kings Aegon V and Robert, got sacked over less than this.
*** The show seems to try to portray the execution of Varys for treason without trial as a tyrannical act. And yet, Jon Snow beheading Janos Slynt for disobedience is viewed as one mature step of the characters. Contrast this with Theon killing Ser Rodrik Cassel or Robb Stark killing Lord Karstark, which the show makes to visually parallel each other.
** Jon\\\'s lack of desire for the throne is again presented uncritically by Varys as a reason why he\\\'d be a good ruler, which again ignores the lessons and consequences of Robert Baratheon\\\'s apathetic kingship... that Varys \\\'\\\'himself\\\'\\\' was a part of. Furthermore, Jon\\\'s own flaws and history of bad decisions, ones that might diminish his fitness for rule even in comparison to Dany\\\'s, continue to be glossed over to focus more on Dany\\\'s VillainBall. He can\\\'t even control his own troops during the sack!
** Jaime \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' killing Cersei, instead opting to run away with her as King\\\'s Landing is being destroyed as well and claiming he doesn\\\'t care for the smallfolk, thereby destroying his CharacterDevelopment over the past seven seasons.
** Many didn\\\'t like Cersei getting a beautiful death, i.e. dying in Jaime\\\'s arms, considering all the horrible things she did. It didn\\\'t help that the audience didn\\\'t even get a chance to see her dyie on-screen due to GoryDiscretionShot.
** The fight between Euron and Jaime is hated for coming out of nowhere and adding nothing to the plot other than killing off Euron. Euron\\\'s claim that he kills Jaime is also hilariously empty because it\\\'s the collapsing Red Keep that kills him. Many viewers feel that giving Cleganebowl more screentime would have been better than wasting it on this fight.
** At the time of writing, the \\\'Inside The Episode\\\' featurette for this episode from the show\\\'s official [=YouTube=] channel has notably more Dislikes than Likes.

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Also, please don\\\'t use phrases like \\\"as of now\\\" or \\\"at the time of writing\\\". ExamplesAreNotRecent. It also implies ThisTroper.

ETA: The info about six-month waiting period was incorrect. I (and other tropes) got it mixed up with BrokenBase.

[003] Illa

7th Jul '18 at 07:35:36 PM

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I haven’t seen \'\'WesternAnimation/MissSpidersSunnyPatchFriends\'\', either, but its page says \

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I haven’t seen “WesternAnimation/MissSpidersSunnyPatchFriends\\\'\\\', either, but its page says \\\"It features the adventures of a spider Mom and Dad and their family of eight children— five spiders and three adopted ‘buglets’”.

Characters/TokyoMewMew also says that Bu-ling Huang / Mew Pudding has five younger siblings, but doesn’t mention this trope.

Characters/MonsterHigh says that Clawdeen Wolf has Massive Numbered Siblings. I don’t know much about the franchise, but I think the novel \\\'\\\'Where’s a Wolf, There’s a Way\\\'\\\' doesn’t mention Clawdia, but mentions four brothers: Howldon or Don, Howie (they and Howleen are triplets), Clawdeen’s youngest brother Howlnor, nicknamed Nino, and younger brother Howlmilton, nicknamed Rocks.

From the summaries of Colleen O’Shaughnessy [=McKenna=]’s novels \\\'\\\'Mother Murphy\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Camp Murphy\\\'\\\', it seems that a fifth Murphy child is about to be born, but I don’t know how the birth goes. The first book of the series about the Murphy family is already titled \\\'\\\'Too Many Murphys\\\'\\\'.

In the \\\'\\\'Fifth-Grade Stars\\\'\\\' book series, the twins Beth and Sara Greenfield have two younger siblings and another one on the way—but again, I’m not sure if their birth is part of the story.

Should we add \\\'\\\'Ally’s World\\\'\\\'? As far as I know without reading most of the books, [[spoiler:the fifth Love-child’s arrival home is a surprise, and perhaps the first Love-child leaves home soon after?]]

In general, how important is the \\\"under the same roof\\\" part? Maybe Creator/JacquelineWilson’s novel \\\'\\\'The Suitcase Kid\\\'\\\' doesn’t count, because the title character’s \\\"five and a half new siblings\\\" are three stepsiblings in her mother’s house and twin stepsiblings and a new half-sibling in her father’s house. But what about books where some siblings have simply moved out?
* Characters/TortallUniverse already says that Keladry (the main character of \\\'\\\'Literature/ProtectorOfTheSmall\\\'\\\') has Massive Numbered Siblings, but I don’t know how many of them have lived under the same roof at the same time.
* \\\'\\\'Literature/RedQueen\\\'\\\' also lists the Massive Numbered Siblings trope, but in the beginning (which is all I’ve read), Mare’s older siblings are all away in the military.
* I think that in \\\'\\\'Literature/TheSelection\\\'\\\', the main character is one of five children, but only three of them still live at home at the start of the series.
* Wikipedia says that Mina Smiths in Literature/TheTillermanFamilySeries is the fifth of six children, but I’m not sure if the two oldest still live at home by the beginning of \\\'\\\'Come a Stranger\\\'\\\'.
* Wikipedia also says that in the \\\'\\\'Girl Talk\\\'\\\' series, Sabrina “Sabs” Wells “is the youngest of five, and the only girl. She lives with her parents and her brothers Luke (who is in high school), Mark (who is in eighth grade), and Sam (her twin, who is four minutes older than she is and teases her about it). Her oldest brother, Matthew, is away at college.” ([[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Talk_(books) The article]] says that the series is by Creator/KAApplegate, but [[http://amatranscripts.com/ama/k.a._applegate_2011-04-28.html here]] she said she wrote 9 books of it.)
* And what about Creator/WilliamWordsworth’s poem [[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/We_Are_Seven “We Are Seven”]]?

I\\\'m not sure how relevant this is, but \\\'\\\'Literature/TheBabySittersClub\\\'\\\' series has not only the three large families mentioned on the page, but also massive numbered families with \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' siblings: most families have (or wanted) at least two children, many have three, and a few have four. I think someone’s said this might be a way to write about many children while keeping track of relatively few families. Only children are not just rare, but I think someone’s said that they are also often portrayed as having some problem like loneliness.

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[002] Illa

7th Jul '18 at 07:27:37 PM

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I haven’t seen \'\'WesternAnimation/MissSpidersSunnyPatchFriends\'\', either, but its page says \

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I haven’t seen \\\'\\\'WesternAnimation/MissSpidersSunnyPatchFriends\\\'\\\', either, but its page says \\\"It features the adventures of a spider Mom and Dad and their family of eight children— five spiders and three adopted ‘buglets’\\\".
Characters/TokyoMewMew also says that Bu-ling Huang / Mew Pudding has five younger siblings, but doesn’t mention this trope.
Characters/MonsterHigh says that Clawdeen Wolf has Massive Numbered Siblings. I don’t know much about the franchise, but I think the novel \\\'\\\'Where’s a Wolf, There’s a Way\\\'\\\' doesn’t mention Clawdia, but mentions four brothers: Howldon or Don, Howie (they and Howleen are triplets), Clawdeen’s youngest brother Howlnor, nicknamed Nino, and younger brother Howlmilton, nicknamed Rocks.
From the summaries of Colleen O\\\'Shaughnessy McKenna’s novels \\\'\\\'Mother Murphy\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Camp Murphy\\\'\\\', it seems that a fifth Murphy child is about to be born, but I don’t know how the birth goes. The first book of the series about the Murphy family is already titled \\\'\\\'Too Many Murphys\\\'\\\'.
In the \\\'\\\'Fifth-Grade Stars\\\'\\\' book series, the twins Beth and Sara Greenfield have two younger siblings and another one on the way—but again, I’m not sure if their birth is part of the story.
Should we add \\\'\\\'Ally’s World\\\'\\\'? As far as I know without reading most of the books, [[spoiler:the fifth Love-child’s arrival home is a surprise, and perhaps the first Love-child leaves home soon after?]]

In general, how important is the \\\"under the same roof\\\" part? Maybe Creator/JacquelineWilson\\\'s novel \\\'\\\'The Suitcase Kid\\\'\\\' doesn’t count, because the title character\\\'s \\\"five and a half new siblings\\\" are three stepsiblings in her mother\\\'s house and twin stepsiblings and a new half-sibling in her father\\\'s house. But what about books where some siblings have simply moved out?
* Characters/TortallUniverse already says that Keladry (the main character of \\\'\\\'Literature/ProtectorOfTheSmall\\\'\\\') has Massive Numbered Siblings, but I don\\\'t know how many of them have lived under the same roof at the same time.
* \\\'\\\'Literature/RedQueen\\\'\\\' also lists the Massive Numbered Siblings trope, but in the beginning (which is all I\\\'ve read), Mare’s older siblings are all away in the military.
* I think that in \\\'\\\'Literature/TheSelection\\\'\\\', the main character is one of five children, but only three of them still live at home at the start of the series.
* Wikipedia says that Mina Smiths in Literature/TheTillermanFamilySeries is the fifth of six children, but I\\\'m not sure if the two oldest still live at home by the beginning of \\\'\\\'Come a Stranger\\\'\\\'.
* Wikipedia also says that in the \\\'\\\'Girl Talk\\\'\\\' series, Sabrina \\\"Sabs\\\" Wells \\\"is the youngest of five, and the only girl. She lives with her parents and her brothers Luke (who is in high school), Mark (who is in eighth grade), and Sam (her twin, who is four minutes older than she is and teases her about it). Her oldest brother, Matthew, is away at college.\\\" ([[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Talk_(books) The article]] says that the series is by Creator/KAApplegate, but [[http://amatranscripts.com/ama/k.a._applegate_2011-04-28.html here]] she said she wrote 9 books of it.)
* And what about Creator/WilliamWordsworth’s poem [[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/We_Are_Seven \\\"We Are Seven\\\"]]?

I\\\'m not sure how relevant this is, but \\\'\\\'Literature/TheBabySittersClub\\\'\\\' series has not only the three large families mentioned on the page, but also massive numbered families with \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' siblings: most families have (or wanted) at least two children, many have three, and a few have four. I think someone\\\'s said this might be a way to write about many children while keeping track of relatively few families. Only children are not just rare, but I think someone\\\'s said that they are also often portrayed as having some problem like loneliness.

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[001] Illa

7th Jul '18 at 07:24:58 PM

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I haven’t seen \'\'WesternAnimation/MissSpidersSunnyPatchFriends\'\', either, but its page says \

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I haven’t seen \\\'\\\'WesternAnimation/MissSpidersSunnyPatchFriends\\\'\\\', either, but its page says \\\"It features the adventures of a spider Mom and Dad and their family of eight children— five spiders and three adopted \\\'buglets\\\'\\\".

Characters/TokyoMewMew also says that Bu-ling Huang / Mew Pudding has five younger siblings, but doesn’t mention this trope.

Characters/MonsterHigh says that Clawdeen Wolf has Massive Numbered Siblings. I don’t know much about the franchise, but I think the novel \\\'\\\'Where’s a Wolf, There’s a Way\\\'\\\' doesn’t mention Clawdia, but mentions four brothers: Howldon or Don, Howie (they and Howleen are triplets), Clawdeen’s youngest brother Howlnor, nicknamed Nino, and younger brother Howlmilton, nicknamed Rocks.

From the summaries of Colleen O\\\'Shaughnessy McKenna’s novels \\\'\\\'Mother Murphy\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Camp Murphy\\\'\\\', it seems that a fifth Murphy child is about to be born, but I don’t know how the birth goes. The first book of the series about the Murphy family is already titled \\\'\\\'Too Many Murphys\\\'\\\'.

In the \\\'\\\'Fifth-Grade Stars\\\'\\\' book series, the twins Beth and Sara Greenfield have two younger siblings and another one on the way—but again, I’m not sure if their birth is part of the story.

Should we add \\\'\\\'Ally’s World\\\'\\\'? As far as I know without reading most of the books, [[spoiler:the fifth Love-child’s arrival home is a surprise, and perhaps the first Love-child leaves home soon after?]]

In general, how important is the \\\"under the same roof\\\" part? Maybe Creator/JacquelineWilson\\\'s novel \\\'\\\'The Suitcase Kid\\\'\\\' doesn’t count, because the title character\\\'s \\\"five and a half new siblings\\\" are three stepsiblings in her mother\\\'s house and twin stepsiblings and a new half-sibling in her father\\\'s house. But what about books where some siblings have simply moved out?
* Characters/TortallUniverse already says that Keladry (the main character of \\\'\\\'Literature/ProtectorOfTheSmall\\\'\\\') has Massive Numbered Siblings, but I don\\\'t know how many of them have lived under the same roof at the same time.
* \\\'\\\'Literature/RedQueen\\\'\\\' also lists the Massive Numbered Siblings trope, but in the beginning (which is all I\\\'ve read), Mare’s older siblings are all away in the military.
* I think that in \\\'\\\'Literature/TheSelection\\\'\\\', the main character is one of five children, but only three of them still live at home at the start of the series.
* Wikipedia says that Mina Smiths in Literature/TheTillermanFamilySeries is the fifth of six children, but I\\\'m not sure if the two oldest still live at home by the beginning of \\\'\\\'Come a Stranger\\\'\\\'.
* Wikipedia also says that in the \\\'\\\'Girl Talk\\\'\\\' series, Sabrina \\\"Sabs\\\" Wells \\\"is the youngest of five, and the only girl. She lives with her parents and her brothers Luke (who is in high school), Mark (who is in eighth grade), and Sam (her twin, who is four minutes older than she is and teases her about it). Her oldest brother, Matthew, is away at college.\\\" ([[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Talk_(books) The article]] says that the series is by Creator/KAApplegate, but [[http://amatranscripts.com/ama/k.a._applegate_2011-04-28.html here]] she said she wrote 9 books of it.)
* And what about Creator/WilliamWordsworth’s poem [[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/We_Are_Seven \\\"We Are Seven\\\"]]?

I\\\'m not sure how relevant this is, but \\\'\\\'Literature/TheBabySittersClub\\\'\\\' series has not only the three large families mentioned on the page, but also massive numbered families with \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' siblings: most families have (or wanted) at least two children, many have three, and a few have four. I think someone\\\'s said this might be a way to write about many children while keeping track of relatively few families. Only children are not just rare, but I think someone\\\'s said that they are also often portrayed as having some problem like loneliness.

(Edited the formatting.)