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\\\"most notably Shampoo — a cute and cheerful girl who adheres to the mantra of \\\"Obstacles are for killing.\\\" Fanon also has it that Kasumi is one, thanks to a few extremely rare \\\"blink-and-you\\\'ll-miss-it\\\" flashes of anger.\\\"
The following discussion resulted:
* Shampoo is not a Yandere- she is openly violent because she\\\'s an Amazon- not because of her obsession with Ranma. Kasumi is not a Yandere either, not even in (most) Fanon because she is not romantically involved. When Kasumi is depicted as violent or dangerous it\\\'s a case of Beware The Nice One.
* If any of the Ranma crew qualifies for Yandere it would be Ukyou. She tries to be the perfect woman for Ranma, and is quite nice and friendly. However, when we first meet her she has denounced her femininity to hunt Ranma down and kill him for abandoning her after getting engaged. He calls her cute and suddenly she wants to marry him again. When Akane and Ranma are going to get married Ukyou shows up at the wedding throwing exploding foodstuffs. However, (like many Yanderes) Ukyou is a fan favorite (heck, even I like her) and adding her as an example will no doubt start a flame war. This might be a problem with the Yandere trope as real Yanderes are not simply violent, they are violent personalities concealed by a Yamato Nadeshiko or similar surface personality.
** When Ukyo first shows up, she\\\'s partially noticable as NOT being as ridiculously violent as, say, Shampoo. I\\\'m still watching through about the 5th TV season, and the manga\\\'s probably different, but my impression is that she\\\'s generally helpful towards the Tendou\\\'s, even Akane on occasion, and that if she\\\'s a Yandere, it\\\'s probably just due to flanderization.
*** True. Ukyo doesn\\\'t really hide a violent personality behind another one, like Shampoo she\\\'s completely upfront about competing for Ranma\\\'s affection, it just so happens that the only way to do that (as with everything else in the series), is through martial arts. There are no Yanderes in Ranma really, unless you go into deep tertiary character territory with someone like Gosunkugi.
*** Yanderes are usually nice and avoid physical confrontation until after they decide they are being rejected. Ukyo doesn\\\'t show as much Yandere in the anime, since we never get to see her try to seriously injure or kill Akane in order to break up the wedding. However, there is the whole episode with the Secret Sauce where Ukyo decides to give up okonomiyaki to be Ranma\\\'s wife. She becomes the ultimate Yamato Nadeshiko, until she starts to crack and begins cooking Ranma in her sleep. Ranma claims to married to Akane and sleeps in her room. Ukyo dismisses it as a fling, and assures him she knows he\\\'ll always come back to her. Hints of Yandere behavior there.
***Lets go through the check marks
**** Ukyo is clearly obsessed with Ranma, check box one. Ukyo has a nice personality and tries to court Ranma by being the nice cute, less violent fiance, check box two. When rejected Ukyo becomes very violent, when we first meet her when she\\\'s out to beat the tar out of Ranma (and maybe kill him, that spatula is sharp) for abandoning her and breaking their engagement. She stops only when she thinks he\\\'s open to keeping the engagement. When Ranma is getting married she assumes it is against his will and violently attacks the bride- despite the fact that everybody can tell Akane is Ranma\\\'s favorite. Check box number three. Now I\\\'ll grant that Ukyo is perhaps less crazy violent then some Yanderes (like Kaede for example), but of all the Ranma girls, she has to be the closest. Just read over the description of Yandere point by point and she if Ukyo doesn\\\'t have those things, particularly the last line.
Shampoo generally acts upbeat, friendly, and affectionate around Ranma (and most fans somehow also only see as far as her figure), but will repeatedly show her more manipulative side such as in the instant Jusenkyo powder date (has great fun manipulating and messing with Ranma for a supposed cure she knows full well doesn\\\'t work), the Taro arc (pretending to be there to help, but really only intending to asssassinate a bound and gagged Akane when nobody is looking), the Pink&Link story (revealed as a consummate bully who has regularly beaten up both the bad and nicer twin since they were small, casually reflects poison gas on her customers, and forces the twins to set up a dangerous pretense rescue mission for Ranma to \\\"romantically save her\\\"), and will gladly try to assassinate any obstacle in her path, including romantic rivals (Akane, Ukyo, Nabiki, Hinako). She\\\'s considerably more extreme than Ukyo, who at least never states an intent to kill anybody (but did state that she has no qualms about trying to scare rivals off by attacking them), has shown genuine compassion and generosity towards others, and tends to somewhat favour non-violent plots. Manga Shampoo on the other hand is consistently shown as genuinely evil, and as far as I understand the Yandere definition far more fit for the category than someone like Kuno, who always acts the same way, and never manipulatively.
The following discussion resulted:
* Shampoo is not a Yandere- she is openly violent because she\\\'s an Amazon- not because of her obsession with Ranma. Kasumi is not a Yandere either, not even in (most) Fanon because she is not romantically involved. When Kasumi is depicted as violent or dangerous it\\\'s a case of Beware The Nice One.
* If any of the Ranma crew qualifies for Yandere it would be Ukyou. She tries to be the perfect woman for Ranma, and is quite nice and friendly. However, when we first meet her she has denounced her femininity to hunt Ranma down and kill him for abandoning her after getting engaged. He calls her cute and suddenly she wants to marry him again. When Akane and Ranma are going to get married Ukyou shows up at the wedding throwing exploding foodstuffs. However, (like many Yanderes) Ukyou is a fan favorite (heck, even I like her) and adding her as an example will no doubt start a flame war. This might be a problem with the Yandere trope as real Yanderes are not simply violent, they are violent personalities concealed by a Yamato Nadeshiko or similar surface personality.
** When Ukyo first shows up, she\\\'s partially noticable as NOT being as ridiculously violent as, say, Shampoo. I\\\'m still watching through about the 5th TV season, and the manga\\\'s probably different, but my impression is that she\\\'s generally helpful towards the Tendou\\\'s, even Akane on occasion, and that if she\\\'s a Yandere, it\\\'s probably just due to flanderization.
*** True. Ukyo doesn\\\'t really hide a violent personality behind another one, like Shampoo she\\\'s completely upfront about competing for Ranma\\\'s affection, it just so happens that the only way to do that (as with everything else in the series), is through martial arts. There are no Yanderes in Ranma really, unless you go into deep tertiary character territory with someone like Gosunkugi.
*** Yanderes are usually nice and avoid physical confrontation until after they decide they are being rejected. Ukyo doesn\\\'t show as much Yandere in the anime, since we never get to see her try to seriously injure or kill Akane in order to break up the wedding. However, there is the whole episode with the Secret Sauce where Ukyo decides to give up okonomiyaki to be Ranma\\\'s wife. She becomes the ultimate Yamato Nadeshiko, until she starts to crack and begins cooking Ranma in her sleep. Ranma claims to married to Akane and sleeps in her room. Ukyo dismisses it as a fling, and assures him she knows he\\\'ll always come back to her. Hints of Yandere behavior there.
***Lets go through the check marks
**** Ukyo is clearly obsessed with Ranma, check box one. Ukyo has a nice personality and tries to court Ranma by being the nice cute, less violent fiance, check box two. When rejected Ukyo becomes very violent, when we first meet her when she\\\'s out to beat the tar out of Ranma (and maybe kill him, that spatula is sharp) for abandoning her and breaking their engagement. She stops only when she thinks he\\\'s open to keeping the engagement. When Ranma is getting married she assumes it is against his will and violently attacks the bride- despite the fact that everybody can tell Akane is Ranma\\\'s favorite. Check box number three. Now I\\\'ll grant that Ukyo is perhaps less crazy violent then some Yanderes (like Kaede for example), but of all the Ranma girls, she has to be the closest. Just read over the description of Yandere point by point and she if Ukyo doesn\\\'t have those things, particularly the last line.
Shampoo generally acts upbeat, friendly, and affectionate around Ranma (and most fans somehow also only see as far as her figure), but will repeatedly show her more manipulative side such as in the instant Jusenkyo powder date (has great fun manipulating and messing with Ranma for a supposed cure she knows full well doesn\\\'t work), the Taro arc (pretending to be there to help, but really only intending to asssassinate a bound and gagged Akane when nobody is looking), the Pink&Link story (revealed as a consummate bully who has regularly beaten up both the bad and nicer twin since they were small, casually reflects poison gas on her customers, and forces the twins to set up a dangerous pretense rescue mission for Ranma to \\\"romantically save her\\\"), and will gladly try to assassinate any obstacle in her path, including romantic rivals (Akane, Ukyo, Nabiki, Hinako). She\\\'s considerably more extreme than Ukyo, who at least never states an intent to kill anybody (but did state that she has no qualms about trying to scare rivals off by attacking them), has shown genuine compassion and generosity towards others, and tends to somewhat favour non-violent plots. Manga Shampoo on the other hand is consistently shown as genuinely evil, and as far as I understand the Yandere definition far more fit for the category than someone like Kuno, who always acts the same way, and never manipulatively.
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\\\"most notably Shampoo — a cute and cheerful girl who adheres to the mantra of \\\"Obstacles are for killing.\\\" Fanon also has it that Kasumi is one, thanks to a few extremely rare \\\"blink-and-you\\\'ll-miss-it\\\" flashes of anger.\\\"
The following discussion resulted:
* Shampoo is not a Yandere- she is openly violent because she\\\'s an Amazon- not because of her obsession with Ranma. Kasumi is not a Yandere either, not even in (most) Fanon because she is not romantically involved. When Kasumi is depicted as violent or dangerous it\\\'s a case of Beware The Nice One.
* If any of the Ranma crew qualifies for Yandere it would be Ukyou. She tries to be the perfect woman for Ranma, and is quite nice and friendly. However, when we first meet her she has denounced her femininity to hunt Ranma down and kill him for abandoning her after getting engaged. He calls her cute and suddenly she wants to marry him again. When Akane and Ranma are going to get married Ukyou shows up at the wedding throwing exploding foodstuffs. However, (like many Yanderes) Ukyou is a fan favorite (heck, even I like her) and adding her as an example will no doubt start a flame war. This might be a problem with the Yandere trope as real Yanderes are not simply violent, they are violent personalities concealed by a Yamato Nadeshiko or similar surface personality.
** When Ukyo first shows up, she\\\'s partially noticable as NOT being as ridiculously violent as, say, Shampoo. I\\\'m still watching through about the 5th TV season, and the manga\\\'s probably different, but my impression is that she\\\'s generally helpful towards the Tendou\\\'s, even Akane on occasion, and that if she\\\'s a Yandere, it\\\'s probably just due to flanderization.
*** True. Ukyo doesn\\\'t really hide a violent personality behind another one, like Shampoo she\\\'s completely upfront about competing for Ranma\\\'s affection, it just so happens that the only way to do that (as with everything else in the series), is through martial arts. There are no Yanderes in Ranma really, unless you go into deep tertiary character territory with someone like Gosunkugi.
*** Yanderes are usually nice and avoid physical confrontation until after they decide they are being rejected. Ukyo doesn\\\'t show as much Yandere in the anime, since we never get to see her try to seriously injure or kill Akane in order to break up the wedding. However, there is the whole episode with the Secret Sauce where Ukyo decides to give up okonomiyaki to be Ranma\\\'s wife. She becomes the ultimate Yamato Nadeshiko, until she starts to crack and begins cooking Ranma in her sleep. Ranma claims to married to Akane and sleeps in her room. Ukyo dismisses it as a fling, and assures him she knows he\\\'ll always come back to her. Hints of Yandere behavior there.
***Lets go through the check marks
**** Ukyo is clearly obsessed with Ranma, check box one. Ukyo has a nice personality and tries to court Ranma by being the nice cute, less violent fiance, check box two. When rejected Ukyo becomes very violent, when we first meet her when she\\\'s out to beat the tar out of Ranma (and maybe kill him, that spatula is sharp) for abandoning her and breaking their engagement. She stops only when she thinks he\\\'s open to keeping the engagement. When Ranma is getting married she assumes it is against his will and violently attacks the bride- despite the fact that everybody can tell Akane is Ranma\\\'s favorite. Check box number three. Now I\\\'ll grant that Ukyo is perhaps less crazy violent then some Yanderes (like Kaede for example), but of all the Ranma girls, she has to be the closest. Just read over the description of Yandere point by point and she if Ukyo doesn\\\'t have those things, particularly the last line.
The following discussion resulted:
* Shampoo is not a Yandere- she is openly violent because she\\\'s an Amazon- not because of her obsession with Ranma. Kasumi is not a Yandere either, not even in (most) Fanon because she is not romantically involved. When Kasumi is depicted as violent or dangerous it\\\'s a case of Beware The Nice One.
* If any of the Ranma crew qualifies for Yandere it would be Ukyou. She tries to be the perfect woman for Ranma, and is quite nice and friendly. However, when we first meet her she has denounced her femininity to hunt Ranma down and kill him for abandoning her after getting engaged. He calls her cute and suddenly she wants to marry him again. When Akane and Ranma are going to get married Ukyou shows up at the wedding throwing exploding foodstuffs. However, (like many Yanderes) Ukyou is a fan favorite (heck, even I like her) and adding her as an example will no doubt start a flame war. This might be a problem with the Yandere trope as real Yanderes are not simply violent, they are violent personalities concealed by a Yamato Nadeshiko or similar surface personality.
** When Ukyo first shows up, she\\\'s partially noticable as NOT being as ridiculously violent as, say, Shampoo. I\\\'m still watching through about the 5th TV season, and the manga\\\'s probably different, but my impression is that she\\\'s generally helpful towards the Tendou\\\'s, even Akane on occasion, and that if she\\\'s a Yandere, it\\\'s probably just due to flanderization.
*** True. Ukyo doesn\\\'t really hide a violent personality behind another one, like Shampoo she\\\'s completely upfront about competing for Ranma\\\'s affection, it just so happens that the only way to do that (as with everything else in the series), is through martial arts. There are no Yanderes in Ranma really, unless you go into deep tertiary character territory with someone like Gosunkugi.
*** Yanderes are usually nice and avoid physical confrontation until after they decide they are being rejected. Ukyo doesn\\\'t show as much Yandere in the anime, since we never get to see her try to seriously injure or kill Akane in order to break up the wedding. However, there is the whole episode with the Secret Sauce where Ukyo decides to give up okonomiyaki to be Ranma\\\'s wife. She becomes the ultimate Yamato Nadeshiko, until she starts to crack and begins cooking Ranma in her sleep. Ranma claims to married to Akane and sleeps in her room. Ukyo dismisses it as a fling, and assures him she knows he\\\'ll always come back to her. Hints of Yandere behavior there.
***Lets go through the check marks
**** Ukyo is clearly obsessed with Ranma, check box one. Ukyo has a nice personality and tries to court Ranma by being the nice cute, less violent fiance, check box two. When rejected Ukyo becomes very violent, when we first meet her when she\\\'s out to beat the tar out of Ranma (and maybe kill him, that spatula is sharp) for abandoning her and breaking their engagement. She stops only when she thinks he\\\'s open to keeping the engagement. When Ranma is getting married she assumes it is against his will and violently attacks the bride- despite the fact that everybody can tell Akane is Ranma\\\'s favorite. Check box number three. Now I\\\'ll grant that Ukyo is perhaps less crazy violent then some Yanderes (like Kaede for example), but of all the Ranma girls, she has to be the closest. Just read over the description of Yandere point by point and she if Ukyo doesn\\\'t have those things, particularly the last line.
