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After some consideration, I really think that the \\\"Verisimilitude\\\" folder should be cut, just as the \\\"Character Changes\\\" folder was. Most of the problems that I had with those entries also apply to the \\\"Verisimilitude\\\" entries: a lot of protracted discussion about changes from the source material that led to bigger changes in later seasons, with no actual explanation of why those changes were actually \\\'\\\'problems\\\'\\\' in the first place. Apart from just being incredibly wordy, few of them fit the definition of the trope, and they barely even explain why plot points lacked \\\"verisimilitude\\\" (i.e. believability). The last entry, about TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot, is the only one that even remotely fits--so I\\\'ve left that one on the page.
To boil the entries in that folder down to their core points:
* Ramsay Bolton is an AscendedExtra in the show, and plays a larger antagonistic role than he did in the books.
* Olenna Tyrell plays a larger role in the show than in the books, while the rest of her family is either AdaptedOut or DemotedToExtra, and Loras Tyrell\\\'s relationship with Renly Baratheon isn\\\'t as emotionally intimate as it was in the books.
* The early seasons are more faithful to the books than the later ones, and the books went into more detail about why the smallfolk support the Sparrows.
This page isn\\\'t for rattling off instances where the show didn\\\'t do the books justice; if an entry doesn\\\'t fit the trope definition, then it\\\'s just complaining.
[[folder: Verisimilitude]]
Many of the small changes for PragmaticAdaptation, AdaptationDistillation, AdaptationExpansion and AdaptedOut have this effect in that while it served the episodes and plotlines of earlier seasons, it ended up compromising the verisimilitude of the setting:
* Ramsay Bolton appeared in two out of five novels and in less than ten chapters and was mainly a player in Theon\\\'s storyline, yet he was AdaptedOut in Season 2. Likewise, Theon Greyjoy was PutOnABus in \\\'\\\'Literature/AStormOfSwords\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Literature/AFeastForCrows\\\'\\\' and the showrunners wanted to keep Creator/AlfieAllen on-screen and felt this was a better way to introduce Ramsay:
** The end result is a two-season long season showing prolonged scenes of torture and breakdown, with subplots such as Yara\\\'s failed raid to save Theon (which ended up making both her and the Ironborn into total wimps), and likewise also greatly expanded Ramsay\\\'s story with Creator/IwanRheon becoming a major actor and this meant shortchanging Sansa and Stannis\\\' storyline and elevating a minor villain in the novel into a role of ArcVillain for two-seasons that the character was not conceived to play in the story. As such Ramsay despite being ObviouslyEvil and having no EvilVirtues (unlike Tywin Lannister and Littlefinger who were the main villains for Seasons 1-4), contrives to success by DiabolusExMachina and unlikely triumphs (such as the much mocked raid on Stannis\\\' camp with \\\"20 Good Men\\\").
** This expansion for Ramsay\\\'s role to make him Jon Snow\\\'s ArchEnemy (when Jon [[UnknownRival didn\\\'t even know or acknowledge]] his presence until mid-way into Season 6) also ends up making his father Roose Bolton, who was established in Seasons 2-4 as a formidable and cunning lord into an over-cautious idiot (the \\\'\\\'exact\\\'\\\' opposite of his book counterpart) who burns his alliance with the Lannisters for a marriage to the fugitive Sansa Stark (a choice the showrunners used because they did not want to introduce the complicated \\\"Fake-Arya\\\"/Jeyne Poole scheme) and then makes that marriage a secret and claims that they must act cautiously and court Northern Allies, yet mostly so as to elevate the \\\"Battle of the Bastards\\\" (or \\\"Snowbowl\\\") Ramsay usurps Roose, murders him and his family and somehow gets the Umbers and Karstarks to support him, which ends up making Roose Bolton, co-plotter of the Red Wedding and HeroKiller of Robb Stark, and general all-around {{Troll}} into a chump, which coupled with the dislike for Robb Stark by the Karstarks and the Glovers (for marrying \\\"that foreign whore\\\") means that the reason why Roose married Ramsay to Sansa (i.e. court legitimacy in the North) never existed to start with.
* Olenna Tyrell being made into the real head of the Tyrell family, with Mace being made into a buffoon (rather than merely a pompous over-reaching Lord but still a powerful and canny magnate in his own right), and Loras and Margaery being the only Tyrell siblings worked well as a shorthand to rapidly introduce the Tyrells in Seasons 3-4 in an economical way and likewise distinguished them enough from other houses to serve the RuleOfPerception:
** It allowed Tywin to threaten to make Loras a Kingsguard in order to leave the family with no heirs so that the Tyrells are forced to agree to marry him to Cersei. But this meant that Loras cannot have his book plotline of \\\'\\\'actually\\\'\\\' being a Kingsguard and besieging Dragonstone, instead pushing him into the Faith Militant plot, which results in Loras, a glory-seeking BloodKnight from the books who is considered by Jaime to be one of the best in Westeros (and his equal with both hands) becoming an AdaptationalWimp. Moreover Loras joining the Kingsguard was also a moment of CharacterDevelopment since he considered Renly TheLostLenore, whereas in the show, he doesn\\\'t even mention him afterwards, gets in an ill-advised affair with a male prostitute, and ends up becoming, [[http://www.salon.com/2015/05/17/how_game_of_thrones_ruined_loras_tyrell_hbos_%E2%80%9Cgay_cartoon%E2%80%9D_is_so_much_more_in_the_books/ in the words of GRRM\\\'s British editor Jane Johnson]], \\\"[[https://twitter.com/JaneJohnsonBakr/status/595323686757990400 a gay cartoon]]\\\" which [[TheHorseshoeEffect was the very]] opposite of the intended reasons by the showrunners for foregrounding Loras and Renly\\\'s relationship in the show.
** Removing Willas and Garlan Tyrell, capable, intelligent, fierce lords and commanders, who GRRM admitted had major roles in the final two books, helped in that it facilitated Olenna Tyrell\\\'s great intelligence and cunning and Diana Rigg became one of the most popular actresses on the show, but this ended up meaning that House Tyrell was correspondingly {{Flanderized}} into a region whose main [[PlanetOfHats hat]] was matriarchal cunning (as per the showrunners themselves who described it in interviews and Histories and Lore videos as a \\\"disguised matriarchy\\\"), but this ended up making by the time of [[spoiler:Season 7 into a PaperTiger whose army and forces could easily be taken in a direct siege, coupled with Olenna muttering that Tywin could have easily annexed them]]. This more or less makes Tywin\\\'s cautious attempts to court favor with the Tyrells in Season 4 (which he discusses with Cersei) meaningless, and it means that Tywin\\\'s EvilGenius which is shown in the show and told to the audience repeatedly in earlier seasons was nonsense, and as in the case of Roose and Ramsay, the need to elevate a character (Cersei) into the BigBad role ends up making Tywin into a chump.
* The CompressedAdaptation approach of Seasons 5-7 rather than the more faithful Seasons 1-3 (which generally did follow the intricately laid-out pattern of the first three books) means that certain events and stories tend to come off as unmotivated or lacking in consequence which as a result compromises the WorldBuilding.
** In earlier seasons big events (such as Ned Stark\\\'s execution, Stannis revealing the illegitimacy of Joffrey and Tommen, the Red Wedding) were shown having both political, personal and social consequences, not only to main characters but also to the smallfolk (such as in Season 4 where a farmer laments the Freys\\\' poor-lordship and the breaking of guest-right), but then the Sparrows are introduced in Season 5 as HeteronormativeCrusader without any acknowledgement as in the novels that they are tied to the suffering unleashed on the people, especially in the Riverlands, because of the War of the Five Kings. The season doesn\\\'t mention the additional context and the only problem in the Riverlands that causes Jaime to go there is Blackfish and other Lords revolting against the Freys, which thanks to removing Stoneheart also shortchanges the resistance movement in the Riverlands.
[[/folder]]
To boil the entries in that folder down to their core points:
* Ramsay Bolton is an AscendedExtra in the show, and plays a larger antagonistic role than he did in the books.
* Olenna Tyrell plays a larger role in the show than in the books, while the rest of her family is either AdaptedOut or DemotedToExtra, and Loras Tyrell\\\'s relationship with Renly Baratheon isn\\\'t as emotionally intimate as it was in the books.
* The early seasons are more faithful to the books than the later ones, and the books went into more detail about why the smallfolk support the Sparrows.
This page isn\\\'t for rattling off instances where the show didn\\\'t do the books justice; if an entry doesn\\\'t fit the trope definition, then it\\\'s just complaining.
[[folder: Verisimilitude]]
Many of the small changes for PragmaticAdaptation, AdaptationDistillation, AdaptationExpansion and AdaptedOut have this effect in that while it served the episodes and plotlines of earlier seasons, it ended up compromising the verisimilitude of the setting:
* Ramsay Bolton appeared in two out of five novels and in less than ten chapters and was mainly a player in Theon\\\'s storyline, yet he was AdaptedOut in Season 2. Likewise, Theon Greyjoy was PutOnABus in \\\'\\\'Literature/AStormOfSwords\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Literature/AFeastForCrows\\\'\\\' and the showrunners wanted to keep Creator/AlfieAllen on-screen and felt this was a better way to introduce Ramsay:
** The end result is a two-season long season showing prolonged scenes of torture and breakdown, with subplots such as Yara\\\'s failed raid to save Theon (which ended up making both her and the Ironborn into total wimps), and likewise also greatly expanded Ramsay\\\'s story with Creator/IwanRheon becoming a major actor and this meant shortchanging Sansa and Stannis\\\' storyline and elevating a minor villain in the novel into a role of ArcVillain for two-seasons that the character was not conceived to play in the story. As such Ramsay despite being ObviouslyEvil and having no EvilVirtues (unlike Tywin Lannister and Littlefinger who were the main villains for Seasons 1-4), contrives to success by DiabolusExMachina and unlikely triumphs (such as the much mocked raid on Stannis\\\' camp with \\\"20 Good Men\\\").
** This expansion for Ramsay\\\'s role to make him Jon Snow\\\'s ArchEnemy (when Jon [[UnknownRival didn\\\'t even know or acknowledge]] his presence until mid-way into Season 6) also ends up making his father Roose Bolton, who was established in Seasons 2-4 as a formidable and cunning lord into an over-cautious idiot (the \\\'\\\'exact\\\'\\\' opposite of his book counterpart) who burns his alliance with the Lannisters for a marriage to the fugitive Sansa Stark (a choice the showrunners used because they did not want to introduce the complicated \\\"Fake-Arya\\\"/Jeyne Poole scheme) and then makes that marriage a secret and claims that they must act cautiously and court Northern Allies, yet mostly so as to elevate the \\\"Battle of the Bastards\\\" (or \\\"Snowbowl\\\") Ramsay usurps Roose, murders him and his family and somehow gets the Umbers and Karstarks to support him, which ends up making Roose Bolton, co-plotter of the Red Wedding and HeroKiller of Robb Stark, and general all-around {{Troll}} into a chump, which coupled with the dislike for Robb Stark by the Karstarks and the Glovers (for marrying \\\"that foreign whore\\\") means that the reason why Roose married Ramsay to Sansa (i.e. court legitimacy in the North) never existed to start with.
* Olenna Tyrell being made into the real head of the Tyrell family, with Mace being made into a buffoon (rather than merely a pompous over-reaching Lord but still a powerful and canny magnate in his own right), and Loras and Margaery being the only Tyrell siblings worked well as a shorthand to rapidly introduce the Tyrells in Seasons 3-4 in an economical way and likewise distinguished them enough from other houses to serve the RuleOfPerception:
** It allowed Tywin to threaten to make Loras a Kingsguard in order to leave the family with no heirs so that the Tyrells are forced to agree to marry him to Cersei. But this meant that Loras cannot have his book plotline of \\\'\\\'actually\\\'\\\' being a Kingsguard and besieging Dragonstone, instead pushing him into the Faith Militant plot, which results in Loras, a glory-seeking BloodKnight from the books who is considered by Jaime to be one of the best in Westeros (and his equal with both hands) becoming an AdaptationalWimp. Moreover Loras joining the Kingsguard was also a moment of CharacterDevelopment since he considered Renly TheLostLenore, whereas in the show, he doesn\\\'t even mention him afterwards, gets in an ill-advised affair with a male prostitute, and ends up becoming, [[http://www.salon.com/2015/05/17/how_game_of_thrones_ruined_loras_tyrell_hbos_%E2%80%9Cgay_cartoon%E2%80%9D_is_so_much_more_in_the_books/ in the words of GRRM\\\'s British editor Jane Johnson]], \\\"[[https://twitter.com/JaneJohnsonBakr/status/595323686757990400 a gay cartoon]]\\\" which [[TheHorseshoeEffect was the very]] opposite of the intended reasons by the showrunners for foregrounding Loras and Renly\\\'s relationship in the show.
** Removing Willas and Garlan Tyrell, capable, intelligent, fierce lords and commanders, who GRRM admitted had major roles in the final two books, helped in that it facilitated Olenna Tyrell\\\'s great intelligence and cunning and Diana Rigg became one of the most popular actresses on the show, but this ended up meaning that House Tyrell was correspondingly {{Flanderized}} into a region whose main [[PlanetOfHats hat]] was matriarchal cunning (as per the showrunners themselves who described it in interviews and Histories and Lore videos as a \\\"disguised matriarchy\\\"), but this ended up making by the time of [[spoiler:Season 7 into a PaperTiger whose army and forces could easily be taken in a direct siege, coupled with Olenna muttering that Tywin could have easily annexed them]]. This more or less makes Tywin\\\'s cautious attempts to court favor with the Tyrells in Season 4 (which he discusses with Cersei) meaningless, and it means that Tywin\\\'s EvilGenius which is shown in the show and told to the audience repeatedly in earlier seasons was nonsense, and as in the case of Roose and Ramsay, the need to elevate a character (Cersei) into the BigBad role ends up making Tywin into a chump.
* The CompressedAdaptation approach of Seasons 5-7 rather than the more faithful Seasons 1-3 (which generally did follow the intricately laid-out pattern of the first three books) means that certain events and stories tend to come off as unmotivated or lacking in consequence which as a result compromises the WorldBuilding.
** In earlier seasons big events (such as Ned Stark\\\'s execution, Stannis revealing the illegitimacy of Joffrey and Tommen, the Red Wedding) were shown having both political, personal and social consequences, not only to main characters but also to the smallfolk (such as in Season 4 where a farmer laments the Freys\\\' poor-lordship and the breaking of guest-right), but then the Sparrows are introduced in Season 5 as HeteronormativeCrusader without any acknowledgement as in the novels that they are tied to the suffering unleashed on the people, especially in the Riverlands, because of the War of the Five Kings. The season doesn\\\'t mention the additional context and the only problem in the Riverlands that causes Jaime to go there is Blackfish and other Lords revolting against the Freys, which thanks to removing Stoneheart also shortchanges the resistance movement in the Riverlands.
[[/folder]]
Changed line(s) 1 from:
n
After some consideration, I really think that the \
to:
After some consideration, I really think that the \\\"Verisimilitude\\\" folder should be cut, just as the \\\"Character Changes\\\" folder was. Most of the problems that I had with those entries also apply to the \\\"Verisimilitude\\\" entries: a lot of protracted discussion about changes from the source material that led to bigger changes in later seasons, with no actual explanation of why those changes were actually \\\'\\\'problems\\\'\\\' in the first place. Apart from just being incredibly wordy, few of them fit the definition of the trope, and they barely even explain why plot points lacked \\\"verisimilitude\\\" (i.e. believability). The last entry, about TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot, is the only one that even remotely fits--so I\\\'ve left that one on the page.
To boil the entries in that folder down to their core points:
* Ramsay Bolton is an AscendedExtra in the show, and plays a larger antagonistic role than he did in the books.
* Olenna Tyrell plays a larger role in the show than she did in the books, while the rest of her family is either AdaptedOut or DemotedToExtra, and Loras Tyrell\\\'s relationship with Renly Baratheon isn\\\'t as emotionally intimate as it was in the books.
* The early season are more faithful to the books than the later ones, and the books went into more detail about why the smallfolk support the Sparrows.
This page isn\\\'t for rattling off instances where the show didn\\\'t do the books justice; if an entry doesn\\\'t fit the trope definition, then it\\\'s just complaining.
[[folder: Verisimilitude]]
Many of the small changes for PragmaticAdaptation, AdaptationDistillation, AdaptationExpansion and AdaptedOut have this effect in that while it served the episodes and plotlines of earlier seasons, it ended up compromising the verisimilitude of the setting:
* Ramsay Bolton appeared in two out of five novels and in less than ten chapters and was mainly a player in Theon\\\'s storyline, yet he was AdaptedOut in Season 2. Likewise, Theon Greyjoy was PutOnABus in \\\'\\\'Literature/AStormOfSwords\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Literature/AFeastForCrows\\\'\\\' and the showrunners wanted to keep Creator/AlfieAllen on-screen and felt this was a better way to introduce Ramsay:
** The end result is a two-season long season showing prolonged scenes of torture and breakdown, with subplots such as Yara\\\'s failed raid to save Theon (which ended up making both her and the Ironborn into total wimps), and likewise also greatly expanded Ramsay\\\'s story with Creator/IwanRheon becoming a major actor and this meant shortchanging Sansa and Stannis\\\' storyline and elevating a minor villain in the novel into a role of ArcVillain for two-seasons that the character was not conceived to play in the story. As such Ramsay despite being ObviouslyEvil and having no EvilVirtues (unlike Tywin Lannister and Littlefinger who were the main villains for Seasons 1-4), contrives to success by DiabolusExMachina and unlikely triumphs (such as the much mocked raid on Stannis\\\' camp with \\\"20 Good Men\\\").
** This expansion for Ramsay\\\'s role to make him Jon Snow\\\'s ArchEnemy (when Jon [[UnknownRival didn\\\'t even know or acknowledge]] his presence until mid-way into Season 6) also ends up making his father Roose Bolton, who was established in Seasons 2-4 as a formidable and cunning lord into an over-cautious idiot (the \\\'\\\'exact\\\'\\\' opposite of his book counterpart) who burns his alliance with the Lannisters for a marriage to the fugitive Sansa Stark (a choice the showrunners used because they did not want to introduce the complicated \\\"Fake-Arya\\\"/Jeyne Poole scheme) and then makes that marriage a secret and claims that they must act cautiously and court Northern Allies, yet mostly so as to elevate the \\\"Battle of the Bastards\\\" (or \\\"Snowbowl\\\") Ramsay usurps Roose, murders him and his family and somehow gets the Umbers and Karstarks to support him, which ends up making Roose Bolton, co-plotter of the Red Wedding and HeroKiller of Robb Stark, and general all-around {{Troll}} into a chump, which coupled with the dislike for Robb Stark by the Karstarks and the Glovers (for marrying \\\"that foreign whore\\\") means that the reason why Roose married Ramsay to Sansa (i.e. court legitimacy in the North) never existed to start with.
* Olenna Tyrell being made into the real head of the Tyrell family, with Mace being made into a buffoon (rather than merely a pompous over-reaching Lord but still a powerful and canny magnate in his own right), and Loras and Margaery being the only Tyrell siblings worked well as a shorthand to rapidly introduce the Tyrells in Seasons 3-4 in an economical way and likewise distinguished them enough from other houses to serve the RuleOfPerception:
** It allowed Tywin to threaten to make Loras a Kingsguard in order to leave the family with no heirs so that the Tyrells are forced to agree to marry him to Cersei. But this meant that Loras cannot have his book plotline of \\\'\\\'actually\\\'\\\' being a Kingsguard and besieging Dragonstone, instead pushing him into the Faith Militant plot, which results in Loras, a glory-seeking BloodKnight from the books who is considered by Jaime to be one of the best in Westeros (and his equal with both hands) becoming an AdaptationalWimp. Moreover Loras joining the Kingsguard was also a moment of CharacterDevelopment since he considered Renly TheLostLenore, whereas in the show, he doesn\\\'t even mention him afterwards, gets in an ill-advised affair with a male prostitute, and ends up becoming, [[http://www.salon.com/2015/05/17/how_game_of_thrones_ruined_loras_tyrell_hbos_%E2%80%9Cgay_cartoon%E2%80%9D_is_so_much_more_in_the_books/ in the words of GRRM\\\'s British editor Jane Johnson]], \\\"[[https://twitter.com/JaneJohnsonBakr/status/595323686757990400 a gay cartoon]]\\\" which [[TheHorseshoeEffect was the very]] opposite of the intended reasons by the showrunners for foregrounding Loras and Renly\\\'s relationship in the show.
** Removing Willas and Garlan Tyrell, capable, intelligent, fierce lords and commanders, who GRRM admitted had major roles in the final two books, helped in that it facilitated Olenna Tyrell\\\'s great intelligence and cunning and Diana Rigg became one of the most popular actresses on the show, but this ended up meaning that House Tyrell was correspondingly {{Flanderized}} into a region whose main [[PlanetOfHats hat]] was matriarchal cunning (as per the showrunners themselves who described it in interviews and Histories and Lore videos as a \\\"disguised matriarchy\\\"), but this ended up making by the time of [[spoiler:Season 7 into a PaperTiger whose army and forces could easily be taken in a direct siege, coupled with Olenna muttering that Tywin could have easily annexed them]]. This more or less makes Tywin\\\'s cautious attempts to court favor with the Tyrells in Season 4 (which he discusses with Cersei) meaningless, and it means that Tywin\\\'s EvilGenius which is shown in the show and told to the audience repeatedly in earlier seasons was nonsense, and as in the case of Roose and Ramsay, the need to elevate a character (Cersei) into the BigBad role ends up making Tywin into a chump.
* The CompressedAdaptation approach of Seasons 5-7 rather than the more faithful Seasons 1-3 (which generally did follow the intricately laid-out pattern of the first three books) means that certain events and stories tend to come off as unmotivated or lacking in consequence which as a result compromises the WorldBuilding.
** In earlier seasons big events (such as Ned Stark\\\'s execution, Stannis revealing the illegitimacy of Joffrey and Tommen, the Red Wedding) were shown having both political, personal and social consequences, not only to main characters but also to the smallfolk (such as in Season 4 where a farmer laments the Freys\\\' poor-lordship and the breaking of guest-right), but then the Sparrows are introduced in Season 5 as HeteronormativeCrusader without any acknowledgement as in the novels that they are tied to the suffering unleashed on the people, especially in the Riverlands, because of the War of the Five Kings. The season doesn\\\'t mention the additional context and the only problem in the Riverlands that causes Jaime to go there is Blackfish and other Lords revolting against the Freys, which thanks to removing Stoneheart also shortchanges the resistance movement in the Riverlands.
[[/folder]]
To boil the entries in that folder down to their core points:
* Ramsay Bolton is an AscendedExtra in the show, and plays a larger antagonistic role than he did in the books.
* Olenna Tyrell plays a larger role in the show than she did in the books, while the rest of her family is either AdaptedOut or DemotedToExtra, and Loras Tyrell\\\'s relationship with Renly Baratheon isn\\\'t as emotionally intimate as it was in the books.
* The early season are more faithful to the books than the later ones, and the books went into more detail about why the smallfolk support the Sparrows.
This page isn\\\'t for rattling off instances where the show didn\\\'t do the books justice; if an entry doesn\\\'t fit the trope definition, then it\\\'s just complaining.
[[folder: Verisimilitude]]
Many of the small changes for PragmaticAdaptation, AdaptationDistillation, AdaptationExpansion and AdaptedOut have this effect in that while it served the episodes and plotlines of earlier seasons, it ended up compromising the verisimilitude of the setting:
* Ramsay Bolton appeared in two out of five novels and in less than ten chapters and was mainly a player in Theon\\\'s storyline, yet he was AdaptedOut in Season 2. Likewise, Theon Greyjoy was PutOnABus in \\\'\\\'Literature/AStormOfSwords\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Literature/AFeastForCrows\\\'\\\' and the showrunners wanted to keep Creator/AlfieAllen on-screen and felt this was a better way to introduce Ramsay:
** The end result is a two-season long season showing prolonged scenes of torture and breakdown, with subplots such as Yara\\\'s failed raid to save Theon (which ended up making both her and the Ironborn into total wimps), and likewise also greatly expanded Ramsay\\\'s story with Creator/IwanRheon becoming a major actor and this meant shortchanging Sansa and Stannis\\\' storyline and elevating a minor villain in the novel into a role of ArcVillain for two-seasons that the character was not conceived to play in the story. As such Ramsay despite being ObviouslyEvil and having no EvilVirtues (unlike Tywin Lannister and Littlefinger who were the main villains for Seasons 1-4), contrives to success by DiabolusExMachina and unlikely triumphs (such as the much mocked raid on Stannis\\\' camp with \\\"20 Good Men\\\").
** This expansion for Ramsay\\\'s role to make him Jon Snow\\\'s ArchEnemy (when Jon [[UnknownRival didn\\\'t even know or acknowledge]] his presence until mid-way into Season 6) also ends up making his father Roose Bolton, who was established in Seasons 2-4 as a formidable and cunning lord into an over-cautious idiot (the \\\'\\\'exact\\\'\\\' opposite of his book counterpart) who burns his alliance with the Lannisters for a marriage to the fugitive Sansa Stark (a choice the showrunners used because they did not want to introduce the complicated \\\"Fake-Arya\\\"/Jeyne Poole scheme) and then makes that marriage a secret and claims that they must act cautiously and court Northern Allies, yet mostly so as to elevate the \\\"Battle of the Bastards\\\" (or \\\"Snowbowl\\\") Ramsay usurps Roose, murders him and his family and somehow gets the Umbers and Karstarks to support him, which ends up making Roose Bolton, co-plotter of the Red Wedding and HeroKiller of Robb Stark, and general all-around {{Troll}} into a chump, which coupled with the dislike for Robb Stark by the Karstarks and the Glovers (for marrying \\\"that foreign whore\\\") means that the reason why Roose married Ramsay to Sansa (i.e. court legitimacy in the North) never existed to start with.
* Olenna Tyrell being made into the real head of the Tyrell family, with Mace being made into a buffoon (rather than merely a pompous over-reaching Lord but still a powerful and canny magnate in his own right), and Loras and Margaery being the only Tyrell siblings worked well as a shorthand to rapidly introduce the Tyrells in Seasons 3-4 in an economical way and likewise distinguished them enough from other houses to serve the RuleOfPerception:
** It allowed Tywin to threaten to make Loras a Kingsguard in order to leave the family with no heirs so that the Tyrells are forced to agree to marry him to Cersei. But this meant that Loras cannot have his book plotline of \\\'\\\'actually\\\'\\\' being a Kingsguard and besieging Dragonstone, instead pushing him into the Faith Militant plot, which results in Loras, a glory-seeking BloodKnight from the books who is considered by Jaime to be one of the best in Westeros (and his equal with both hands) becoming an AdaptationalWimp. Moreover Loras joining the Kingsguard was also a moment of CharacterDevelopment since he considered Renly TheLostLenore, whereas in the show, he doesn\\\'t even mention him afterwards, gets in an ill-advised affair with a male prostitute, and ends up becoming, [[http://www.salon.com/2015/05/17/how_game_of_thrones_ruined_loras_tyrell_hbos_%E2%80%9Cgay_cartoon%E2%80%9D_is_so_much_more_in_the_books/ in the words of GRRM\\\'s British editor Jane Johnson]], \\\"[[https://twitter.com/JaneJohnsonBakr/status/595323686757990400 a gay cartoon]]\\\" which [[TheHorseshoeEffect was the very]] opposite of the intended reasons by the showrunners for foregrounding Loras and Renly\\\'s relationship in the show.
** Removing Willas and Garlan Tyrell, capable, intelligent, fierce lords and commanders, who GRRM admitted had major roles in the final two books, helped in that it facilitated Olenna Tyrell\\\'s great intelligence and cunning and Diana Rigg became one of the most popular actresses on the show, but this ended up meaning that House Tyrell was correspondingly {{Flanderized}} into a region whose main [[PlanetOfHats hat]] was matriarchal cunning (as per the showrunners themselves who described it in interviews and Histories and Lore videos as a \\\"disguised matriarchy\\\"), but this ended up making by the time of [[spoiler:Season 7 into a PaperTiger whose army and forces could easily be taken in a direct siege, coupled with Olenna muttering that Tywin could have easily annexed them]]. This more or less makes Tywin\\\'s cautious attempts to court favor with the Tyrells in Season 4 (which he discusses with Cersei) meaningless, and it means that Tywin\\\'s EvilGenius which is shown in the show and told to the audience repeatedly in earlier seasons was nonsense, and as in the case of Roose and Ramsay, the need to elevate a character (Cersei) into the BigBad role ends up making Tywin into a chump.
* The CompressedAdaptation approach of Seasons 5-7 rather than the more faithful Seasons 1-3 (which generally did follow the intricately laid-out pattern of the first three books) means that certain events and stories tend to come off as unmotivated or lacking in consequence which as a result compromises the WorldBuilding.
** In earlier seasons big events (such as Ned Stark\\\'s execution, Stannis revealing the illegitimacy of Joffrey and Tommen, the Red Wedding) were shown having both political, personal and social consequences, not only to main characters but also to the smallfolk (such as in Season 4 where a farmer laments the Freys\\\' poor-lordship and the breaking of guest-right), but then the Sparrows are introduced in Season 5 as HeteronormativeCrusader without any acknowledgement as in the novels that they are tied to the suffering unleashed on the people, especially in the Riverlands, because of the War of the Five Kings. The season doesn\\\'t mention the additional context and the only problem in the Riverlands that causes Jaime to go there is Blackfish and other Lords revolting against the Freys, which thanks to removing Stoneheart also shortchanges the resistance movement in the Riverlands.
[[/folder]]
