Should OppositeSexClone actually be listed as a form, here? The definition given on this very page states,
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Should OppositeSexClone actually be listed as a form, here? The definition given on this very page states, \"Doppelgänger, with an umlaut and a majuscule, is the German word for a ghostly double of a living person or more commonly simply a word for someone looking exactly like someone else, i.e. an impostor or double.\"
The fact that an OppositeSexClone is \'\'not the same sex\'\' as its \"parent\" by its very nature would preclude them from being a person\'s Doppelgänger.
Case in point, absolutely \'\'no one\'\' would confuse Comicbook/{{X 23}} for Comicbook/{{Wolverine}}.
Should OppositeSexClone actually be listed as a form, here? The definition given on this very page states,
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Should OppositeSexClone actually be listed as a form, here? The definition given on this very page states, \"Doppelgänger, with an umlaut and a majuscule, is the German word for a ghostly double of a living person or more commonly simply a word for someone looking exactly like someone else, i.e. an impostor or double.\"
The fact that an OppositeSexClone is \'\'not the same sex\'\' as its \"parent\" by its very nature would preclude them from being a person\'s Doppelgänger.
I'm not as confident in Bite as an example as I am with Hyper Beam, so I'm not going to comment on that.
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I\'m not as confident in Bite as an example as I am with Hyper Beam, so I\'m not going to comment on that.
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You're still missing the point. Hyper Beam ''used'' to be Gyarados's most fearsome move back in Gen I and was so heavily associated with it that the bosses who used Gyarados always ran it. In the most popular ''Pokémon'' anime and manga, Gyarados has used the move more than any other species. It is, or was, a huge part of Gyarados's characterization as a species.
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You\'re still missing the point. Hyper Beam \'\'used\'\' to be Gyarados\'s most fearsome move back in Gen I and was so heavily associated with it that the bosses who used Gyarados always ran it. In the most popular \'\'Pokémon\'\' anime and manga, Gyarados has used the move more than any other species. It is, or was, a huge part of Gyarados\'s characterization as a species.
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But when the physical-special split happened, Gyarados's level-up moveset kept Hyper Beam despite it being significantly less damaging than its physical equivalent. Boss characters who use Gyarados never run Hyper Beam, but there are a few like Blue in ''Sun and Moon'' who run Giga Impact. Gyarados used Hyper Beam eight times in the anime and three times in the manga before the physical-special split. Since then, it's only been used twice in the anime and not even once in the manga. The franchise has largely given up on actually depicting Gyarados using Hyper Beam.
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But when the physical-special split happened, Gyarados\'s level-up moveset kept Hyper Beam despite it being significantly less damaging than its physical equivalent. New boss characters who use Gyarados never run Hyper Beam, but there are a few like Blue in \'\'Sun and Moon\'\' who run Giga Impact instead. Gyarados used Hyper Beam eight times in the anime and three times in the manga before the physical-special split. Since then, it\'s only been used twice in the anime and not even once in the manga. The franchise has largely given up on actually depicting Gyarados using Hyper Beam.
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What makes this qualify as TheArtifact is that Gyarados still learns it by level-up anyway, and as its final move (although the significance of the latter is debatable). I referenced Snorlax and Aerodactyl because they got Giga Impact added to their level-up moveset immediately after the split, but Gyarados is stuck learning it by TM only. After three generations of painting Hyper Beam as Gyarados's ultimate attack, the series can't remove it without writing out the tradition. This is what makes it different from, say, the Trapinch line, which also got it by level-up in Generation III and kept it despite the power drop -- Gyarados used Hyper Beam as a key part of its character across multiple media, while the others aren't as strongly associated with it.
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What makes this qualify as TheArtifact is that Gyarados still learns it by level-up anyway, and as its final move (although the significance of the latter is debatable). I referenced Snorlax and Aerodactyl because they got Giga Impact added to their level-up moveset immediately after the split, but Gyarados is stuck learning it by TM only. After three generations of painting Hyper Beam as Gyarados\'s ultimate attack, the series can\'t remove it without writing out the tradition. This is what makes it different from, say, the Trapinch line, which also got it by level-up in Generation III and kept it despite the power drop -- Gyarados used Hyper Beam as a key part of its character across multiple media, while the others aren\'t as strongly associated with it.
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Here's the description from TheArtifact, which is basically what we're arguing applies to this example:
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Here\'s the description from TheArtifact, which is basically what we\'re arguing applies to this example:
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''Sometimes, a character or gimmick seems to no longer fit with the mood or design of a story according to a writer, but is kept because there seems to be no way for the writer to get rid of them without causing some serious disruption (unrelated to {{Retcon}}s).''
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\'\'Sometimes, a character or gimmick seems to no longer fit with the mood or design of a story according to a writer, but is kept because there seems to be no way for the writer to get rid of them without causing some serious disruption (unrelated to {{Retcon}}s).\'\'
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''Sometimes it's due to being tied in closely to the mythos or that The Artifact has just been around so long that removing it seems like overstepping bounds. And if it's due to pure fan popularity, the producers probably aren't going to push it out in any case for no reason.''
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\'\'Sometimes it\'s due to being tied in closely to the mythos or that The Artifact has just been around so long that removing it seems like overstepping bounds. And if it\'s due to pure fan popularity, the producers probably aren\'t going to push it out in any case for no reason.\'\'
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''The general way to solve this problem is to avoid it, or rather, them. You can bet anyone considered The Artifact is going to be politely [[AbsenteeActor skipped over by the writer]] whenever they can, although this can get shaky if the audience is seasoned to expect them around.''
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\'\'The general way to solve this problem is to avoid it, or rather, them. You can bet anyone considered The Artifact is going to be politely [[AbsenteeActor skipped over by the writer]] whenever they can, although this can get shaky if the audience is seasoned to expect them around.\'\'
I'm not as confident in Bite as an example as I am with Hyper Beam, so I'm not going to comment on that.
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I\'m not as confident in Bite as an example as I am with Hyper Beam, so I\'m not going to comment on that.
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You're still missing the point. Hyper Beam ''used'' to be Gyarados's most fearsome move back in Gen I and was so heavily associated with it that the bosses who used Gyarados always ran it. In the most popular ''Pokémon'' anime and manga, Gyarados has used the move more than any other species. It is, or was, a huge part of Gyarados's characterization as a species.
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You\'re still missing the point. Hyper Beam \'\'used\'\' to be Gyarados\'s most fearsome move back in Gen I and was so heavily associated with it that the bosses who used Gyarados always ran it. In the most popular \'\'Pokémon\'\' anime and manga, Gyarados has used the move more than any other species. It is, or was, a huge part of Gyarados\'s characterization as a species.
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But when the physical-special split happened, Gyarados's level-up moveset kept Hyper Beam despite it being significantly less damaging than its physical equivalent. Boss characters who use Gyarados never run Hyper Beam, but there are a few like Blue in ''Sun and Moon'' who run Giga Impact. Gyarados used Hyper Beam eight times in the anime and three times in the manga before the physical-special split. Since then, it's only been used twice in the anime and not even once in the manga. The franchise has largely given up on actually depicting Gyarados using Hyper Beam.
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But when the physical-special split happened, Gyarados\'s level-up moveset kept Hyper Beam despite it being significantly less damaging than its physical equivalent. Boss characters who use Gyarados never run Hyper Beam, but there are a few like Blue in \'\'Sun and Moon\'\' who run Giga Impact. Gyarados used Hyper Beam eight times in the anime and three times in the manga before the physical-special split. Since then, it\'s only been used twice in the anime and not even once in the manga. The franchise has largely given up on actually depicting Gyarados using Hyper Beam.
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What makes this qualify as TheArtifact is that Gyarados still learns it by level-up anyway, and as its final move (although the significance of the latter is debatable). I referenced Snorlax and Aerodactyl because they got Giga Impact added to their level-up moveset immediately after the split, but Gyarados is stuck learning it by TM only. After three generations of painting Hyper Beam as Gyarados's ultimate attack, the series can't remove it without writing out the tradition.
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What makes this qualify as TheArtifact is that Gyarados still learns it by level-up anyway, and as its final move (although the significance of the latter is debatable). I referenced Snorlax and Aerodactyl because they got Giga Impact added to their level-up moveset immediately after the split, but Gyarados is stuck learning it by TM only. After three generations of painting Hyper Beam as Gyarados\'s ultimate attack, the series can\'t remove it without writing out the tradition. This is what makes it different from, say, the Trapinch line, which also got it by level-up in Generation III and kept it despite the power drop -- Gyarados used Hyper Beam as a key part of its character across multiple media, while the others aren\'t as strongly associated with it.
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For reference, here's the text from the main page for TheArtifact:
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Here\'s the description from TheArtifact, which is basically what we\'re arguing applies to this example:
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''Sometimes, a character or gimmick seems to no longer fit with the mood or design of a story according to a writer, but is kept because there seems to be no way for the writer to get rid of them without causing some serious disruption (unrelated to {{Retcon}}s).''
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\'\'Sometimes, a character or gimmick seems to no longer fit with the mood or design of a story according to a writer, but is kept because there seems to be no way for the writer to get rid of them without causing some serious disruption (unrelated to {{Retcon}}s).\'\'
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''Sometimes it's due to being tied in closely to the mythos or that The Artifact has just been around so long that removing it seems like overstepping bounds. And if it's due to pure fan popularity, the producers probably aren't going to push it out in any case for no reason.''
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\'\'Sometimes it\'s due to being tied in closely to the mythos or that The Artifact has just been around so long that removing it seems like overstepping bounds. And if it\'s due to pure fan popularity, the producers probably aren\'t going to push it out in any case for no reason.\'\'
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''The general way to solve this problem is to avoid it, or rather, them. You can bet anyone considered The Artifact is going to be politely [[AbsenteeActor skipped over by the writer]] whenever they can, although this can get shaky if the audience is seasoned to expect them around.''
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\'\'The general way to solve this problem is to avoid it, or rather, them. You can bet anyone considered The Artifact is going to be politely [[AbsenteeActor skipped over by the writer]] whenever they can, although this can get shaky if the audience is seasoned to expect them around.\'\'
I'm not as confident in Bite as an example as I am with Hyper Beam, so I'm not going to comment on that.
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I\'m not as confident in Bite as an example as I am with Hyper Beam, so I\'m not going to comment on that.
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You're still missing the point. Hyper Beam ''used'' to be Gyarados's most fearsome move back in Gen I and was so heavily associated with it that the bosses who used Gyarados always ran it. In the most popular ''Pokémon'' anime and manga, Gyarados has used the move more than any other species. It is, or was, a huge part of Gyarados's characterization as a species.
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You\'re still missing the point. Hyper Beam \'\'used\'\' to be Gyarados\'s most fearsome move back in Gen I and was so heavily associated with it that the bosses who used Gyarados always ran it. In the most popular \'\'Pokémon\'\' anime and manga, Gyarados has used the move more than any other species. It is, or was, a huge part of Gyarados\'s characterization as a species.
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But when the physical-special split happened, Gyarados's level-up moveset kept Hyper Beam despite it being significantly less damaging than its physical equivalent. Boss characters who use Gyarados never run Hyper Beam, but there are a few like Blue in ''Sun and Moon'' who run Giga Impact. Gyarados used Hyper Beam eight times in the anime and three times in the manga before the physical-special split. Since then, it's only been used twice in the anime and not even once in the manga. The franchise has largely given up on actually depicting Gyarados using Hyper Beam.
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But when the physical-special split happened, Gyarados\'s level-up moveset kept Hyper Beam despite it being significantly less damaging than its physical equivalent. Boss characters who use Gyarados never run Hyper Beam, but there are a few like Blue in \'\'Sun and Moon\'\' who run Giga Impact. Gyarados used Hyper Beam eight times in the anime and three times in the manga before the physical-special split. Since then, it\'s only been used twice in the anime and not even once in the manga. The franchise has largely given up on actually depicting Gyarados using Hyper Beam.
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What makes this qualify as TheArtifact is that Gyarados still learns it by level-up anyway, and as its final move (although the significance of the latter is debatable). I referenced Snorlax and Aerodactyl because they got Giga Impact added to their level-up moveset immediately after the split, but Gyarados is stuck learning it by TM only. After three generations of painting Hyper Beam as Gyarados's ultimate attack, the series can't remove it without writing out the tradition.
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What makes this qualify as TheArtifact is that Gyarados still learns it by level-up anyway, and as its final move (although the significance of the latter is debatable). I referenced Snorlax and Aerodactyl because they got Giga Impact added to their level-up moveset immediately after the split, but Gyarados is stuck learning it by TM only. After three generations of painting Hyper Beam as Gyarados\'s ultimate attack, the series can\'t remove it without writing out the tradition.
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For reference, here's the text from the main page for TheArtifact:
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For reference, here\'s the text from the main page for TheArtifact:
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''Sometimes, a character or gimmick seems to no longer fit with the mood or design of a story according to a writer, but is kept because there seems to be no way for the writer to get rid of them without causing some serious disruption (unrelated to {{Retcon}}s).
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\'\'Sometimes, a character or gimmick seems to no longer fit with the mood or design of a story according to a writer, but is kept because there seems to be no way for the writer to get rid of them without causing some serious disruption (unrelated to {{Retcon}}s).\'\'
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Sometimes it's due to being tied in closely to the mythos or that The Artifact has just been around so long that removing it seems like overstepping bounds. And if it's due to pure fan popularity, the producers probably aren't going to push it out in any case for no reason.
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\'\'Sometimes it\'s due to being tied in closely to the mythos or that The Artifact has just been around so long that removing it seems like overstepping bounds. And if it\'s due to pure fan popularity, the producers probably aren\'t going to push it out in any case for no reason.\'\'
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The general way to solve this problem is to avoid it, or rather, them. You can bet anyone considered The Artifact is going to be politely [[AbsenteeActor skipped over by the writer]] whenever they can, although this can get shaky if the audience is seasoned to expect them around.''
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\'\'The general way to solve this problem is to avoid it, or rather, them. You can bet anyone considered The Artifact is going to be politely [[AbsenteeActor skipped over by the writer]] whenever they can, although this can get shaky if the audience is seasoned to expect them around.\'\'
