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I see the the point trying to be made by the addition of the FailureHero trope in that Captain Marvel continually fails to protect the members of the Malcom expedition from being killed off one by one and their lenses stolen by the villain. However, I don't think this trope applies because of the following reasons:
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I see the the point trying to be made by the addition of the FailureHero trope in that Captain Marvel continually fails to protect the members of the Malcom expedition from being killed off one by one and their lenses stolen by the villain. However, I don\'t think this trope applies because of the following reasons:
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1) When the Wizard Shazam grants Billy the powers of Captain Marvel, he charges the Captain to make sure the
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1) When the Wizard Shazam grants Billy the powers of Captain Marvel, he charges the Captain to make sure the \"curse of the Scorpion is not visited on innocent people\". Shazam also implies that the other members of the Malcom expedition were already cursed by ignoring the inscription on the tomb, violating the tomb, and taking the golden scorpion and its lenses among themselves. Thus they were already \"doomed\".

2) The story, being an pulp adventure serial, forces a FailureIsTheOnlyOption condition on Captain Marvel\'s actions, else the story either stalls (if he constantly thwarts retrieval of the lenses) or abruptly ends (if he uses his super powers to quickly capture the Scorpion).

3) The trope is about a hero that \'\'\'never wins\'\'\' and the current example points out that Captain Marvel does repeatedly win all fights and story-wise he succeeds in saving Betty, Whitey, Tol Chatali and (technically) Billy from the harm imposed by the Scorpion\'s actions. He just can\'t totally succeed because YouCantThwartStageOne.

Thus I would recommend removing the FailureHero example and perhaps replacing it with a FailureIsTheOnlyOption pointing out that because of the story format, Captain Marvel can\'t really succeed until the last chapter of the serial.
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I see the the point trying to be made by the addition of the FailureHero trope in that Captain Marvel continually fails to protect the members of the Malcom expedition from being killed off one by one and their lenses stolen by the villain. However, I don't think this trope applies because of the following reasons:
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I see the the point trying to be made by the addition of the FailureHero trope in that Captain Marvel continually fails to protect the members of the Malcom expedition from being killed off one by one and their lenses stolen by the villain. However, I don\'t think this trope applies because of the following reasons:
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1) When the Wizard Shazam grants Billy the powers of Captain Marvel, he charges the Captain to make sure the
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1) When the Wizard Shazam grants Billy the powers of Captain Marvel, he charges the Captain to make sure the \"curse of the Scorpion is not visited on innocent people\". Shazam also implies that the other members of the Malcom expedition were already cursed by ignoring the inscription on the tomb, violating the tomb, and taking the golden scorpion and its lenses among themselves. Thus they were already \"doomed\".

2) The story, being an pulp adventure serial, forces a FailureIsTheOnlyOption condition on Captain Marvel\'s action, else the story either stalls (if he constantly thwarts retrieval of the lenses) or abruptly ends (if he uses his super powers to quickly capture the Scorpion).

3) The trope is about a hero that \'\'\'never wins\'\'\' and the example itself points out that Captain Marvel does repeatedly win all fights and story-wise he succeeds in saving Betty, Whitey, Tol Chatali and (technically) Billy from the harm imposed by the Scorpion\'s actions. He just can\'t totally succeed because YouCantThwartStageOne.

Thus I would recommend removing the FailureHero example and perhaps replacing it with a FailureIsTheOnlyOption pointing out that because of the story format, Captain Marvel can\'t really succeed until the last chapter of the serial.
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