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I just deleted a bunch of questionable stuff. I've given my reasons below, but I'd like to discuss it and add back anything that might be valid. Even if some of these ''are'' actually valid, they'd need to be rewritten for poor grammar.

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I just deleted a bunch of questionable stuff. I\'ve given my reasons below, but I\'d like to discuss it and add back anything that might be valid. Even if some of these \'\'are\'\' actually valid, they\'d need to be rewritten for poor grammar.

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So:

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I bolded the stuff I deleted; otherwise, I deleted the whole example as given :

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How is this subverted? There's no detail given about what Cass might have.

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How is this subverted? There\'s no detail given about what Cass might have.

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** #965 brings back [[spoiler: the Titans of Tomorrow Tim Drake. '''Or tries to. Most of the elements needed for it to happen aren't in place.]]'''

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** #965 brings back [[spoiler: the Titans of Tomorrow Tim Drake. \'\'\'Or tries to. Most of the elements needed for it to happen aren\'t in place.]]\'\'\'

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Well... he ''was'' brought back, so there's no

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Well... he \'\'was\'\' brought back, so there\'s no \"tries to\" involved here.

**So is Tim Drake as he has become a genius billionaire inventor under James Tynion IV (Eternal series and confirmed again throughout Rebirth) while under Scott Lobdell he was more of a genius enthusiast and before New 52 was only qualified as a genius by the press (who did not know Tim Drake had been trained by Batman for 3-4 years at that point) and was only really really intelligent.

Tim is not an {{Expy}} of Tony Stark. For starters, he\'s not a billionaire.

* HeroicSacrifice: Tim redirects all of the Colony\'s drones to target him instead of the civilians they were originally sent to kill. He defeats the first wave, but is not so lucky with the second, and is seemingly killed. \'\'\'Downplayed as he could have easily been prevented by asking for help\'\'\'

How is this a downplayed example? That would be if Tim only got injured, which he tecnically did, but the example as written was wrong.

** The upcoming storyline \"A Lonely Place of Living\", which deals with Tim Drake\'s attempt to escape Mr. Oz\'s captivity once more, is one towards \"A Lonely Place of Dying\", the storyline that marked Tim Drake\'s first appearance. Even more, the first issue of the storyline mirrors the cover of \'\'Batman\'\' Vol. 1 #441. \'\'\'Sadly falls under the guise of [[WorseInContext]], [[Fridge Logic]] or [[MakesJustasMuchSenseinContext]] as do most of the reference to the Pre New 52 continuity. It\'s especially true in Tim\'s case as his personality and actions are opposite to the ones he had back then (made worse by giving him his old backstory back as there\'s even less explanation for the behavior).\'\'\'

I don\'t know what this addition is accomplishing. Doesn\'t seem like anything good. Natter, ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike, something else?

** [[spoiler: This also parallels the end of \'\'Final Crisis\'\', where Batman\'s body was \"vaporized\" (sent back in time by Darkseid\'s Omega Sanction; the body Superman found was one of the fake clones) And who was the \'\'one person\'\' who never believed Bruce was dead? Who \'\'never\'\' stopped trying to find him? The one who was \'\'right all along\'\'? Tim Drake.]] Downplayed as there actually was a body to be buried and Tim Drake was driven with grief. The personality is also different enough that it would makes sense that this version of Tim Drake wouldn\'t question Bruce\'s death had Final Crisis happened with him anyway]]

This whole section was Natter.

* NumberTwo: Tim Drake\'s place on the team, while Batman and Batwoman are co-leaders. He acts as an advisor and a sort of liaison between Batwoman and the other trainees, and even shows some [[TheLancer Lancer]] elements with his willingness to butt heads with Batwoman a bit over her decisions. \'\'\'Downplayed as he only butted head with Batwoman because he\'s a [[ControlFreak]] and ends up deciding to *let* her lead when it\'s convenient. He also doesn\'t really interact with the others unless it\'s for the [[TearJerker]] subplot (in this case only with Stephanie)\'\'\'

Not a downplayed example, because he and Batwoman are not equals.

* OddFriendship: Orphan and Clayface\'\'\'Clayface [[spoiler:Ironically the only one that\'s being built along with Batwoman and Batwing...sort of]]\'\'\'

Natter, so I deleted it.

* {{Retirony}}: [[spoiler: Tim seemingly dies after telling Stephanie that he was going to quit being a hero in order to attend college.]] \'\'\'Seems to be there only as a [[TearJerker]] subplot]]\'\'\'

More Natter.

* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong: After [[spoiler: Batman!Tim]] realizes he\'s in present-day Gotham and can alter the future, he decides to [[spoiler: kill Batwoman]], whom he blames for causing the BadFuture he\'s from.\'\'\'[[Spoiler:This storyline can be seen as [[ExcusePlot]] as it references the Titans of Tomorrow arc which only existed due to certain circumstances, most of which aren\'t present]]\'\'\'

Not what an ExcusePlot is.

* SpannerInTheWorks: It turns out that [[spoiler:Tim Drake was this to Mr. Oz as he was reconnecting with people he shouldn\'t, thus instead of letting him die, he ends up capturing him.]] \'\'\'Ironically he was barely even starting to connect with them]]\'\'\'

We don\'t know why Oz took him for sure, nor what \"connecting threads\" means.

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