Discussion History Characters / Overwatch

First, Larkman. Clean up the entries, oh I\'d so love to do that. Just dunno \'how\'. What I said about \"let the page run by the haters\" and \"add to the hate\" is meant to point out that most people can\'t seem to just add an entry without damning Vishkar in one way or another. Look at the NightmareFuel entry really. Saying that they could be more nightmarish (not necessarily worse) than Talon? That\'s a sign of people taking it to the hatred, because while it\'s supposed to be more neutral in \'liked\', NightmareFuel tends to get used to make people think \"This is not meant to be liked.\"

I believe there should be other options, and I should be looking to it. But most editors seems to be on a tunnel vision that when it comes to Vishkar, all they want is adding negativity, on them.

Second, Nubian. This is why I said Blizzard isn\'t helping, they don\'t show a visible PetTheDog scene by Vishkar. The only thing we could do is to list what things Talon does, while Vishkar doesn\'t. Yes, there\'s a few, the FantasticRacism thing is one of those things. I don\'t think Vishkar discriminates Omnics when it comes to work force or have anything to say about the whole racism on Omnics, whereas Talon perpetuates it. Perpetuating racism would\'ve been a bad thing, but Vishkar didn\'t do it, Talon does.

This led to my answer to faso: How, after all those, they\'re more disliked than Talon when the latter does worse things? I believe it also originated from a recent trend of audience reaction: Honesty is greatly valued. A {{Hypocrite}} is far likely to become TheScrappy than a CardCarryingVillain. Talon did really really bad things, but because they\'re honest about it, not hiding the fact that they\'re evil villains, they are more welcomed and less likely to become the \'punching bag\'. Vishkar, on the other hand, exemplifies {{Hypocrite}} that doesn\'t repent, and instead continues to perpetuate \'self-righteous\' lies and that is why they\'re accepted even less than Talon. As in, Talon gets the LoveToHate treatment more (it should be kind of a \'positive\' style of Hate) whereas if people hate on Vishkar, it\'s not that trope. The lines that goes somewhere along the line \"If this was a real world, they\'d be caught by the law already, but they don\'t.\" .... I felt that this has some sort of undertones that someone DOESN\'T LIKE how Vishkar was portrayed, in a biased way. (personally, I think that there are corporations like Vishkar in real world, they don\'t get caught in public, that\'s kinda how the world runs...)

Until people ease up on \'hypocrisy\' or how honesty will affect even villain values... (that is, it doesn\'t matter if they\'re being hypocritical or honest, if the reason behind the villainy is inadequate, they\'re equal in evilness) I don\'t think things will change. It all rooted in the trend of fandom.

First, Larkman. Clean up the entries, oh I\'d so love to do that. Just dunno \'how\'. What I said about \"let the page run by the haters\" and \"add to the hate\" is meant to point out that most people can\'t seem to just add an entry without damning Vishkar in one way or another. Look at the NightmareFuel entry really. Saying that they could be more nightmarish (not necessarily worse) than Talon? That\'s a sign of people taking it to the hatred, because while it\'s supposed to be more neutral in \'liked\', NightmareFuel tends to get used to make people think \"This is not meant to be liked.\"

I believe there should be other options, and I should be looking to it. But most editors seems to be on a tunnel vision that when it comes to Vishkar, all they want is adding negativity, on them.

Second, Nubian. This is why I said Blizzard isn\'t helping, they don\'t show a visible PetTheDog scene by Vishkar. The only thing we could do is to list what things Talon does, while Vishkar doesn\'t. Yes, there\'s a few, the FantasticRacism thing is one of those things. I don\'t think Vishkar discriminates Omnics when it comes to work force or have anything to say about the whole racism on Omnics, whereas Talon perpetuates it. Perpetuating racism would\'ve been a bad thing, but Vishkar didn\'t do it, Talon does.

This led to my answer to faso: How, after all those, they\'re more disliked than Talon when the latter does worse things? I believe it also originated from a recent trend of audience reaction: Honesty is greatly valued. A {{Hypocrite}} is far likely to become TheScrappy than a CardCarryingVillain. Talon did really really bad things, but because they\'re honest about it, not hiding the fact that they\'re evil villains, they are more welcomed and less likely to become the \'punching bag\'. Vishkar, on the other hand, exemplifies {{Hypocrite}} that doesn\'t repent, and instead continues to perpetuate \'self-righteous\' lies and that is why they\'re accepted even less than Talon. As in, Talon gets the LoveToHate treatment more (it should be kind of a \'positive\' style of Hate) whereas if people hate on Vishkar, it\'s not that trope. The lines that goes somewhere along the line \"If this was a real world, they\'d be caught by the law already, but they don\'t.\" .... I felt that this has some sort of undertones that someone DOESN\'T LIKE how Vishkar was portrayed, in a biased way.

Until people ease up on \'hypocrisy\' or how honesty will affect even villain values... (that is, it doesn\'t matter if they\'re being hypocritical or honest, if the reason behind the villainy is inadequate, they\'re equal in evilness) I don\'t think things will change. It all rooted in the trend of fandom.

Okay, lots of things needing answer. One by one. And I apologize for this. This is just how I am, in a debate, I tend to type. A LOT.