Okay, first of all, I already KNOW that Pyrrha knew it was a SuicideMission. She knew she wasn't going to come back, period. That's why I am okay now with it being taken off the WhatAnIdiot trope. What I'm discussing NOW, however, is that she has other options than what she did, and by NOT taking them, should it be considered some form of IdiotBall?
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Okay, first of all, I already KNOW that Pyrrha knew it was a SuicideMission. She knew she wasn\'t going to come back, period. That\'s why I am okay now with it being taken off the WhatAnIdiot trope. What I\'m discussing NOW, however, is that she has other options than what she did, and by NOT taking them, should it be considered some form of IdiotBall?
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Take Tadashi Hamada from Big Hero 6 for example. He runs into a burning building that could collapse or explode at any moment to save a man, whom he neither know the location nor whether he is still alive or not, and died from his actions. The character page of him has this trope listed: TooDumbToLive, and while I'm inclined to disagree with this, it has a point. He did what is right, by blindly runs into the burning building with no plans at all to save the person trapped inside it, and died without accomplishing anything.
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Take Tadashi Hamada from Big Hero 6 for example. He runs into a burning building that could collapse or explode at any moment to save a man, whom he neither know the location nor whether he is still alive or not, and died from his actions. The character page of him has this trope listed: TooDumbToLive, and while I\'m inclined to disagree with this, it has a point. He did what is right, by blindly runs into the burning building with no plans at all to save the person trapped inside it, and died without accomplishing anything.
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Now look back at Pyrrha. The situation is kinda similar, only the stakes are higher: the survival of the Beacon Tower, which is supposedly Cinder's ultimate target. Most of Beacon is already evacuated, so there's no people for her to save, but if the tower is lost, then so does the communication across the world, and therefore would lead to more casualties, so that justifies Pyrrha trying her damndest to save it. HOWEVER, like Tadashi, she didn't have any real plans of HOW to save it. Let's look at all the things I found wrong with her actions:
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Now look back at Pyrrha. The situation is kinda similar, only the stakes are higher: the survival of the Beacon Tower, which is supposedly Cinder\'s ultimate target. Most of Beacon is already evacuated, so there\'s no people for her to save, but if the tower is lost, then so does the communication across the world, and therefore would lead to more casualties, so that justifies Pyrrha trying her damndest to save it. HOWEVER, like Tadashi, she didn\'t have any real plans of HOW to save it. Let\'s look at all the things I found wrong with her actions:
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1. She sends Jaune back to call allies and prevent him from following her to fight Cinder and therefore risk him dying, too. You don't need two people to call for help, and yet you don't need to send someone back when you could've just easily use a Scroll (Jaune has one that still works) to call your allies from right there, and even then it's not too late for Pyrrha to send Jaune back so he won't get in her way. That would give her allies a head start while she's holding the line.
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1. She sends Jaune back to call allies and prevent him from following her to fight Cinder and therefore risk him dying, too. You don\'t need two people to call for help, and yet you don\'t need to send someone back when you could\'ve just easily use a Scroll (Jaune has one that still works) to call your allies from right there, and even then it\'s not too late for Pyrrha to send Jaune back so he won\'t get in her way. That would give her allies a head start while she\'s holding the line.
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2. She goes to fight Cinder immediately because someone has to stop her from achieving her plans, assuming that she could hold her out long enough, and waiting out for allies to arrive might be too late. However, she has no idea whether her strengths would allow her to survive fighting Cinder long enough (and don't give me that:
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2. She goes to fight Cinder immediately because someone has to stop her from achieving her plans, assuming that she could hold her out long enough, and waiting out for allies to arrive might be too late. However, she has no idea whether her strengths would allow her to survive fighting Cinder long enough (and don\'t give me that: \"She can handle herself alright in the show\", please. If you were IN her shoes, how would you know? Maybe you could last longer than her, or maybe you could\'ve died right at the moment you step out of the elevator). This can be somewhat justified by that it\'s in-character for her to do it, and she does not have too much time to think the situation through, like what bladeofdarkness said.
3. The moment she heard Cinder rising up from the Vault, she should know that Ozpin was defeated. Ozpin, to her, is the Headmaster of a school created to train warriors. To be the Headmaster, that means you must be pretty experienced and skilled. Even if she\'s a prodigy, she\'s still a \'\'first year\'\' student with little \'real\' combat experience. If even Ozpin is defeated fighting Cinder, what chance does she think she have? Again, justifiable by that someone has to stop her, it\'s in character and all that. Okay, I get it.
So you see, Pyrrha did what she did at the moment. She doesn\'t have any plans. She just goes up there and tries her best to stop Cinder, just like when Tadashi ran into the fire to save the person even though he didn\'t know how to accomplish that. And so it comes down to this: should you consider an unplanned action thought up in a moment (even though other safer actions are present), however [[HonorBeforeReason noble or in-character it is]], some kind of a case of picking up the IdiotBall? In this case, it\'s purely for the sake of the plot, as without her dying, Ruby wouldn\'t have activated her secret power, Cinder would\'ve won and everybody would\'ve died, all that. And in fact, the tower DID fall in the end, as Yang explained to Ruby that even though Cinder retreated, she was successful in destroying the tower and causing mistrust between kingdoms.
Just explain the definition of IdiotBall to me, and why what Pyrrha did isn\'t considered as such, and I\'ll end the discussion.
Okay, first of all, I already KNOW that Pyrrha knew it was a SuicideMission. She knew she wasn't going to come back, period. That's why I am okay now with it being taken off the WhatAnIdiot trope. What I'm discussing NOW, however, is that she has other options than what she did, and by NOT taking them, should it be considered some form of IdiotBall?
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Okay, first of all, I already KNOW that Pyrrha knew it was a SuicideMission. She knew she wasn\'t going to come back, period. That\'s why I am okay now with it being taken off the WhatAnIdiot trope. What I\'m discussing NOW, however, is that she has other options than what she did, and by NOT taking them, should it be considered some form of IdiotBall?
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Take Tadashi Hamada from Big Hero 6 for example. He runs into a burning building that could collapse or explode at any moment to save a man, whom he neither know the location nor whether he is still alive or not, and died from his actions. The character page of him has this trope listed: TooDumbToLive, and while I'm inclined to disagree with this, it has a point. He did what is right, by blindly runs into the burning building with no plans at all to save the person trapped inside it, and died without accomplishing anything.
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Take Tadashi Hamada from Big Hero 6 for example. He runs into a burning building that could collapse or explode at any moment to save a man, whom he neither know the location nor whether he is still alive or not, and died from his actions. The character page of him has this trope listed: TooDumbToLive, and while I\'m inclined to disagree with this, it has a point. He did what is right, by blindly runs into the burning building with no plans at all to save the person trapped inside it, and died without accomplishing anything.
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Now looks back at Pyrrha. The situation is kinda similar, only the stakes are higher: the survival of the Beacon Tower, which is supposedly Cinder's ultimate target. Most of Beacon is already evacuated, so there's no people for her to save, but if the tower is lost, then so does the communication across the world, and therefore would lead to more casualties, so that justifies Pyrrha trying her damndest to save it. HOWEVER, like Tadashi, she didn't have any real plans of HOW to save it. Let's look at all the things I found wrong with her actions:
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Now look back at Pyrrha. The situation is kinda similar, only the stakes are higher: the survival of the Beacon Tower, which is supposedly Cinder\'s ultimate target. Most of Beacon is already evacuated, so there\'s no people for her to save, but if the tower is lost, then so does the communication across the world, and therefore would lead to more casualties, so that justifies Pyrrha trying her damndest to save it. HOWEVER, like Tadashi, she didn\'t have any real plans of HOW to save it. Let\'s look at all the things I found wrong with her actions:
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1. She sends Jaune back to call allies and prevent him from following her to fight Cinder and therefore risk him dying, too. You don't need two people to call for help, and yet you don't need to send someone back when you could've just easily use a Scroll (Jaune has one that still works) to call your allies from right there, and even then it's not too late for Pyrrha to send Jaune back so he won't get in her way. That would give her allies a head start while she's holding the line.
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1. She sends Jaune back to call allies and prevent him from following her to fight Cinder and therefore risk him dying, too. You don\'t need two people to call for help, and yet you don\'t need to send someone back when you could\'ve just easily use a Scroll (Jaune has one that still works) to call your allies from right there, and even then it\'s not too late for Pyrrha to send Jaune back so he won\'t get in her way. That would give her allies a head start while she\'s holding the line.
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2. She goes to fight Cinder immediately because someone has to stop her from achieving her plans, assuming that she could hold her out long enough, and waiting out for allies to arrive might be too late. However, she has no idea whether her strengths would allow her to survive fighting Cinder long enough for her allies to arrive (and don't give me that:
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2. She goes to fight Cinder immediately because someone has to stop her from achieving her plans, assuming that she could hold her out long enough, and waiting out for allies to arrive might be too late. However, she has no idea whether her strengths would allow her to survive fighting Cinder long enough (and don\'t give me that: \"She can handle herself alright in the show\", please. If you were IN her shoes, how would you know? Maybe you could last longer than her, or maybe you could\'ve died right at the moment you step out of the elevator). This can be somewhat justified by that it\'s in-character for her to do it, and she does not have too much time to think the situation through, like what bladeofdarkness said.
3. The moment she heard Cinder rising up from the Vault, she should know that Ozpin was defeated. Ozpin, to her, is the Headmaster of a school created to train warriors. To be the Headmaster, that means you must be pretty experienced and skilled. Even if she\'s a prodigy, she\'s still a \'\'first year\'\' student with little \'real\' combat experience. If even Ozpin is defeated fighting Cinder, what chance does she think she have? Again, justifiable by that someone has to stop her, it\'s in character and all that. Okay, I get it.
So you see, Pyrrha did what she did at the moment. She doesn\'t have any plans. She just goes up there and tries her best to stop Cinder, just like when Tadashi ran into the fire to save the person even though he didn\'t know how to accomplish that. And so it comes down to this: should you consider an unplanned action thought up in a moment (even though other safer actions are present), however [[HonorBeforeReason noble or in-character it is]], some kind of a case of picking up the IdiotBall? In this case, it\'s purely for the sake of the plot, as without her dying, Ruby wouldn\'t have activated her secret power, Cinder would\'ve won and everybody would\'ve died, all that. And in fact, the tower DID fall in the end, as Yang explained to Ruby that even though Cinder retreated, she was successful in destroying the tower.
Just explain the definition of IdiotBall to me, and why what Pyrrha did isn\'t considered as such, and I\'ll end the discussion.
Okay, first of all, I already KNOW that Pyrrha knew it was a SuicideMission. She knew she wasn't going to come back, period. That's why I am okay now with it being taken off the WhatAnIdiot trope. What I'm discussing NOW, however, is that she has other options than what she did, and by NOT taking them, should it be considered some form of IdiotBall?
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Okay, first of all, I already KNOW that Pyrrha knew it was a SuicideMission. She knew she wasn\'t going to come back, period. That\'s why I am okay now with it being taken off the WhatAnIdiot trope. What I\'m discussing NOW, however, is that she has other options than what she did, and by NOT taking them, should it be considered some form of IdiotBall?
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Take Tadashi Hamada from Big Hero 6 for example. He runs into a burning building that could collapse or explode at any moment to save a man, whom he neither know the location nor whether he is still alive or not, and died from his actions. The character page of him has this trope listed: TooDumbToLive, and while I'm inclined to disagree with this, it has a point. He did what is right, by blindly runs into the burning building with no plans at all to save the person trapped inside it, and died without accomplishing anything.
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Take Tadashi Hamada from Big Hero 6 for example. He runs into a burning building that could collapse or explode at any moment to save a man, whom he neither know the location nor whether he is still alive or not, and died from his actions. The character page of him has this trope listed: TooDumbToLive, and while I\'m inclined to disagree with this, it has a point. He did what is right, by blindly runs into the burning building with no plans at all to save the person trapped inside it, and died without accomplishing anything.
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Now looks back at Pyrrha. The situation is kinda similar, only the stakes are higher: the survival of the Beacon Tower, which is supposedly Cinder's ultimate target. Most of Beacon is already evacuated, so there's no people for her to save, but if the tower is lost, then so does the communication across the world, and therefore would lead to more casualties, so that justifies Pyrrha trying her damndest to save it. HOWEVER, like Tadashi, she didn't have any real plans of HOW to save it. Let's look at all the things I found wrong with her actions:
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Now looks back at Pyrrha. The situation is kinda similar, only the stakes are higher: the survival of the Beacon Tower, which is supposedly Cinder\'s ultimate target. Most of Beacon is already evacuated, so there\'s no people for her to save, but if the tower is lost, then so does the communication across the world, and therefore would lead to more casualties, so that justifies Pyrrha trying her damndest to save it. HOWEVER, like Tadashi, she didn\'t have any real plans of HOW to save it. Let\'s look at all the things I found wrong with her actions:
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1. She sends Jaune back to call allies and prevent him from following her to fight Cinder and therefore risk him dying, too. You don't need two people to call for help, and yet you don't need to send someone back when you could've just easily use a Scroll (Jaune has one that still works) to call your allies from right there, and even then it's not too late for Pyrrha to send Jaune back so he won't get in her way. That would give her allies a head start while she's holding the line.
2. She goes to fight Cinder immediately because someone has to stop her from achieving her plans, assuming that she could hold her out long enough, and waiting out for allies to arrive might be too late. However, she has no idea whether her strengths would allow her to survive fighting Cinder long enough for her allies to arrive (and don't give me that:
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1. She sends Jaune back to call allies and prevent him from following her to fight Cinder and therefore risk him dying, too. You don\'t need two people to call for help, and yet you don\'t need to send someone back when you could\'ve just easily use a Scroll (Jaune has one that still works) to call your allies from right there, and even then it\'s not too late for Pyrrha to send Jaune back so he won\'t get in her way. That would give her allies a head start while she\'s holding the line.
2. She goes to fight Cinder immediately because someone has to stop her from achieving her plans, assuming that she could hold her out long enough, and waiting out for allies to arrive might be too late. However, she has no idea whether her strengths would allow her to survive fighting Cinder long enough for her allies to arrive (and don\'t give me that: \"She can handle herself alright in the show\", please. If you were IN her shoes, how would you know? Maybe you could last longer than her, or maybe you could\'ve died right at the moment you step out of the elevator). This can be somewhat justified by that it\'s in-character for her to do it, and she does not have too much time to think the situation through, like what bladeofdarkness said.
3. The moment she heard Cinder rising up from the Vault, she should know that Ozpin was defeated. Ozpin, to her, is the Headmaster of a school created to train warriors. To be the Headmaster, that means you must be pretty experienced and skilled. Even if she\'s a prodigy, she\'s still a \'\'first year\'\' student with little \'real\' combat experience. If even Ozpin is defeated fighting Cinder, what chance does she think she have? Again, justifiable by that someone has to stop her, it\'s in character and all that. Okay, I get it.
So you see, Pyrrha did what she did at the moment. She doesn\'t have any plans. She just goes up there and tries her best to stop Cinder, just like when Tadashi ran into the fire to save the person even though he didn\'t know how to accomplish that. And so it comes down to this: should you consider an unplanned action thought up in a moment (even though other safer actions are present), however [[HonorBeforeReason noble or in-character it is]], some kind of a case of picking up the IdiotBall? In this case, it\'s purely for the sake of the plot, as without her dying, Ruby wouldn\'t have activated her secret power, Cinder would\'ve won and everybody would\'ve died, all that. And in fact, the tower DID fall in the end, as Yang explained to Ruby that even though Cinder retreated, she was successful in destroying the tower in the end.
Just explain the definition of IdiotBall to me, and why what Pyrrha did isn\'t considered as such, and I\'ll end the discussion.
Okay, first of all, I already KNOW that Pyrrha knew it was a SuicideMission. She knew she wasn't going to come back, period. That's why I am okay now with it being taken off the WhatAnIdiot trope. What I'm discussing NOW, however, is that she has other options than what she did, and by NOT taking them, should it be considered some form of IdiotBall?
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Okay, first of all, I already KNOW that Pyrrha knew it was a SuicideMission. She knew she wasn\'t going to come back, period. That\'s why I am okay now with it being taken off the WhatAnIdiot trope. What I\'m discussing NOW, however, is that she has other options than what she did, and by NOT taking them, should it be considered some form of IdiotBall?
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Take Tadashi Hamada from Big Hero 6 for example. He runs into a burning building that could collapse or explode at any moment to save a man, whom he neither know the location nor whether he is still alive or not, and died from his actions. The character page of him has this trope listed: TooDumbToLive, and while I'm inclined to disagree with this, it has a point. He did what is right, by blindly runs into the burning building with no plans at all to save the person trapped inside it, and died.
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Take Tadashi Hamada from Big Hero 6 for example. He runs into a burning building that could collapse or explode at any moment to save a man, whom he neither know the location nor whether he is still alive or not, and died from his actions. The character page of him has this trope listed: TooDumbToLive, and while I\'m inclined to disagree with this, it has a point. He did what is right, by blindly runs into the burning building with no plans at all to save the person trapped inside it, and died without accomplishing anything.
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Now looks back at Pyrrha. The situation is kinda similar, only the stakes are higher: the survival of the Beacon Tower, which is supposedly Cinder's ultimate target. Most of Beacon is already evacuated, so there's no people for her to save, but if the tower is lost, then so does the communication across the world, and therefore would lead to more casualties, so that justifies Pyrrha trying her damndest to save it. HOWEVER, like Tadashi, she didn't have any real plans of HOW to save it. Let's look at all the things I found wrong with her actions:
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Now looks back at Pyrrha. The situation is kinda similar, only the stakes are higher: the survival of the Beacon Tower, which is supposedly Cinder\'s ultimate target. Most of Beacon is already evacuated, so there\'s no people for her to save, but if the tower is lost, then so does the communication across the world, and therefore would lead to more casualties, so that justifies Pyrrha trying her damndest to save it. HOWEVER, like Tadashi, she didn\'t have any real plans of HOW to save it. Let\'s look at all the things I found wrong with her actions:
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1. She sends Jaune back to call allies and prevent him from following her to fight Cinder and therefore risk him dying, too. You don't need two people to call for help, and yet you don't need to send someone back when you could've just easily use a Scroll (Jaune has one that still works) to call your allies from right there, and even then it's not too late for Pyrrha to send Jaune back so he won't get in her way. That would give her allies a head start while she's holding the line.
2. She goes to fight Cinder immediately because someone has to stop her from achieving her plans, assuming that she could hold her out long enough, and waiting out for allies to arrive might be too late. However, she has no idea whether her strengths would allow her to survive fighting Cinder long enough for her allies to arrive (and don't give me that:
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1. She sends Jaune back to call allies and prevent him from following her to fight Cinder and therefore risk him dying, too. You don\'t need two people to call for help, and yet you don\'t need to send someone back when you could\'ve just easily use a Scroll (Jaune has one that still works) to call your allies from right there, and even then it\'s not too late for Pyrrha to send Jaune back so he won\'t get in her way. That would give her allies a head start while she\'s holding the line.
2. She goes to fight Cinder immediately because someone has to stop her from achieving her plans, assuming that she could hold her out long enough, and waiting out for allies to arrive might be too late. However, she has no idea whether her strengths would allow her to survive fighting Cinder long enough for her allies to arrive (and don\'t give me that: \"She can handle herself alright in the show\", please. If you were IN her shoes, how would you know? Maybe you could last longer than her, or maybe you could\'ve died right at the moment you step out of the elevator). This can be somewhat justified by that it\'s in-character for her to do it, and she does not have too much time to think the situation through, like what bladeofdarkness said.
3. The moment she heard Cinder rising up from the Vault, she should know that Ozpin was defeated. Ozpin, to her, is the Headmaster of a school created to train warriors. To be the Headmaster, that means you must be pretty experienced and skilled. Even if she\'s a prodigy, she\'s still a \'\'first year\'\' student with little \'real\' combat experience. If even Ozpin is defeated fighting Cinder, what chance does she think she have? Again, justifiable by that someone has to stop her, it\'s in character and all that. Okay, I get it.
So you see, Pyrrha did what she did at the moment. She doesn\'t have any plans. She just goes up there and tries her best to stop Cinder, just like when Tadashi ran into the fire to save the person even though he didn\'t know how to accomplish that. And so it comes down to this: should you consider an unplanned action thought up in a moment (even though other safer actions are present), however [[HonorBeforeReason noble or in-character it is]], some kind of a case of picking up the IdiotBall? In this case, it\'s purely for the sake of the plot, as without her dying, Ruby wouldn\'t have activated her secret power, Cinder would\'ve won and everybody would\'ve died, all that. And in fact, the tower DID fall in the end, as Yang explained to Ruby that even though Cinder retreated, she was successful in destroying the tower in the end.
Just explain the definition of IdiotBall to me, and why what Pyrrha did isn\'t considered as such, and I\'ll end the discussion.
Okay, first of all, I already KNOW that Pyrrha knew it was a SuicideMission. She knew she wasn't going to come back, period. That's why I am okay now with it being taken off the WhatAnIdiot trope. What I'm discussing NOW, however, is that she has other options than what she did, and by NOT taking them, should it be considered some form of IdiotBall?
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Okay, first of all, I already KNOW that Pyrrha knew it was a SuicideMission. She knew she wasn\'t going to come back, period. That\'s why I am okay now with it being taken off the WhatAnIdiot trope. What I\'m discussing NOW, however, is that she has other options than what she did, and by NOT taking them, should it be considered some form of IdiotBall?
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Take Tadashi Hamada from Big Hero 6 for example. He runs into a burning building that could collapse or explode at any moment to save a man, whom he neither know the location nor whether he is still alive or not, and died from his actions. The character page of him has this trope listed: TooDumbToLive, and while I'm inclined to disagree with this, it has a point. He did what is right, by blindly runs into the burning building with no plans at all to save the person trapped inside it, and died.
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Take Tadashi Hamada from Big Hero 6 for example. He runs into a burning building that could collapse or explode at any moment to save a man, whom he neither know the location nor whether he is still alive or not, and died from his actions. The character page of him has this trope listed: TooDumbToLive, and while I\'m inclined to disagree with this, it has a point. He did what is right, by blindly runs into the burning building with no plans at all to save the person trapped inside it, and died without accomplishing anything.
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Now looks back at Pyrrha. The situation is kinda similar, only the stakes are higher: the survival of the Beacon Tower, which is supposedly Cinder's ultimate target. Most of Beacon is already evacuated, so there's no people for her to save, but if the tower is lost, then so does the communication across the world, and therefore would lead to more casualties, so that justifies Pyrrha trying her damndest to save it. HOWEVER, like Tadashi, she didn't have any real plans of HOW to save it. Let's look at all the things I found wrong with her actions:
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Now looks back at Pyrrha. The situation is kinda similar, only the stakes are higher: the survival of the Beacon Tower, which is supposedly Cinder\'s ultimate target. Most of Beacon is already evacuated, so there\'s no people for her to save, but if the tower is lost, then so does the communication across the world, and therefore would lead to more casualties, so that justifies Pyrrha trying her damndest to save it. HOWEVER, like Tadashi, she didn\'t have any real plans of HOW to save it. Let\'s look at all the things I found wrong with her actions:
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1. She sends Jaune back to call allies and prevent him from following her to fight Cinder and therefore risk him dying, too. You don't need two people to call for help, and yet you don't need to send someone back when you could've just easily use a Scroll (Jaune has one that still works) to call your allies from right there, and even then it's not too late for Pyrrha to send Jaune back so he won't get in her way. That would give her allies a head start while she's holding the line.
2. She goes to fight Cinder immediately because someone has to stop her from achieving her plans, assuming that she could hold her out long enough, and waiting out for allies to arrive might be too late. However, she has no idea whether her strengths would allow her to survive fighting Cinder long enough for her allies to arrive (and don't give me that:
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1. She sends Jaune back to call allies and prevent him from following her to fight Cinder and therefore risk him dying, too. You don\'t need two people to call for help, and yet you don\'t need to send someone back when you could\'ve just easily use a Scroll (Jaune has one that still works) to call your allies from right there, and even then it\'s not too late for Pyrrha to send Jaune back so he won\'t get in her way. That would give her allies a head start while she\'s holding the line.
2. She goes to fight Cinder immediately because someone has to stop her from achieving her plans, assuming that she could hold her out long enough, and waiting out for allies to arrive might be too late. However, she has no idea whether her strengths would allow her to survive fighting Cinder long enough for her allies to arrive (and don\'t give me that: \"She can handle herself alright in the show\", please. If you were IN her shoes, how would you know? Maybe you could last longer than her, or maybe you could\'ve died right at the moment you step out of the elevator). This can be somewhat justified by that it\'s in-character for her to do it, and she does not have too much time to think the situation through, like what bladeofdarkness said.
3. The moment she heard Cinder rising up from the Vault, she should know that Ozpin was defeated. Ozpin, to her, is the Headmaster of a school created to train warriors. To be the Headmaster, that means you must be pretty experienced and skilled. Even if she\'s a prodigy, she\'s still a \'\'first year\'\' student with little \'real\' combat experience. If even Ozpin is defeated fighting Cinder, what chance does she think she have? Again, justifiable by that someone has to stop her, it\'s in character and all that. Okay, I get it.
So you see, Pyrrha did what she did at the moment. She doesn\'t have any plans. She just goes up there and tries her best to stop Cinder, just like when Tadashi ran into the fire to save the person even though he didn\'t know how to accomplish that. And so it comes down to this: should you consider an unplanned action thought up in a moment (even though other safer actions are present), however [[HonorBeforeReason noble or in-character it is]], some kind of a case of picking up the IdiotBall? In this case, it\'s purely for the sake of the plot, as without her dying, Ruby wouldn\'t have activated her secret power, Cinder would\'ve won and everybody would\'ve died, all that. And in fact, the tower DID fall in the end, as Yang explained to Ruby that even though Cinder retreated, she was successful in destroying the tower in the end.
Just explain the definition of IdiotBall to me, and why what Pyrrha did isn\'t considered as such, and I\'ll end the discussion.
Okay, first of all, I already KNOW that Pyrrha knew it was a SuicideMission. She knew she wasn't going to come back, period. That's why I am okay now with it being taken off the WhatAnIdiot trope. What I'm discussing NOW, however, is that she has other options than what she did, and by NOT taking them, should it be considered some form of IdiotBall?
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Okay, first of all, I already KNOW that Pyrrha knew it was a SuicideMission. She knew she wasn\'t going to come back, period. That\'s why I am okay now with it being taken off the WhatAnIdiot trope. What I\'m discussing NOW, however, is that she has other options than what she did, and by NOT taking them, should it be considered some form of IdiotBall?
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Take Tadashi Hamada from Big Hero 6 for example. He runs into a burning building that could collapse or explode at any moment to save a man, whom he neither know the location nor whether he is still alive or not, and died from his actions. The character page of him has this trope listed: TooDumbToLive, and while I'm inclined to disagree with this, it has a point. He did what is right, by blindly runs into the burning building with no plans at all to save the person trapped inside it.
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Take Tadashi Hamada from Big Hero 6 for example. He runs into a burning building that could collapse or explode at any moment to save a man, whom he neither know the location nor whether he is still alive or not, and died from his actions. The character page of him has this trope listed: TooDumbToLive, and while I\'m inclined to disagree with this, it has a point. He did what is right, by blindly runs into the burning building with no plans at all to save the person trapped inside it, and died.
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Now looks back at Pyrrha. The situation is kinda similar, only the stakes are higher: the survival of the Beacon Tower, which is supposedly Cinder's ultimate target. Most of Beacon is already evacuated, so there's no people for her to save, but if the tower is lost, then so does the communication across the world, and therefore would lead to more casualties, so that justifies Pyrrha trying her damndest to save it. HOWEVER, like Tadashi, she didn't have any real plans of HOW to save it. Let's look at all the things I found wrong with her actions:
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Now looks back at Pyrrha. The situation is kinda similar, only the stakes are higher: the survival of the Beacon Tower, which is supposedly Cinder\'s ultimate target. Most of Beacon is already evacuated, so there\'s no people for her to save, but if the tower is lost, then so does the communication across the world, and therefore would lead to more casualties, so that justifies Pyrrha trying her damndest to save it. HOWEVER, like Tadashi, she didn\'t have any real plans of HOW to save it. Let\'s look at all the things I found wrong with her actions:
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1. She sends Jaune back to call allies and prevent him from following her to fight Cinder and therefore risk him dying, too. You don't need two people to call for help, and yet you don't need to send someone back when you could've just easily use a Scroll (Jaune has one that still works) to call your allies from right there, and even then it's not too late for Pyrrha to send Jaune back so he won't get in her way. That would give her allies a head start while she's holding the line.
2. She goes to fight Cinder immediately because someone has to stop her from achieving her plans, assuming that she could hold her out long enough, and waiting out for allies to arrive might be too late. However, she has no idea whether her strengths would allow her to survive fighting Cinder long enough for her allies to arrive (and don't give me that:
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1. She sends Jaune back to call allies and prevent him from following her to fight Cinder and therefore risk him dying, too. You don\'t need two people to call for help, and yet you don\'t need to send someone back when you could\'ve just easily use a Scroll (Jaune has one that still works) to call your allies from right there, and even then it\'s not too late for Pyrrha to send Jaune back so he won\'t get in her way. That would give her allies a head start while she\'s holding the line.
2. She goes to fight Cinder immediately because someone has to stop her from achieving her plans, assuming that she could hold her out long enough, and waiting out for allies to arrive might be too late. However, she has no idea whether her strengths would allow her to survive fighting Cinder long enough for her allies to arrive (and don\'t give me that: \"She can handle herself alright in the show\", please. If you were IN her shoes, how would you know? Maybe you could last longer than her, or maybe you could\'ve died right at the moment you step out of the elevator). This can be somewhat justified by that it\'s in-character for her to do it, and she does not have too much time to think the situation through, like what bladeofdarkness said.
3. The moment she heard Cinder rising up from the Vault, she should know that Ozpin was defeated. Ozpin, to her, is the Headmaster of a school created to train warriors. To be the Headmaster, that means you must be pretty experienced and skilled. Even if she\'s a prodigy, she\'s still a \'\'first year\'\' student with little \'real\' combat experience. If even Ozpin is defeated fighting Cinder, what chance does she think she have? Again, justifiable by that someone has to stop her, it\'s in character and all that. Okay, I get it.
So you see, Pyrrha did what she did at the moment. She doesn\'t have any plans. She just goes up there and tries her best to stop Cinder, just like when Tadashi ran into the fire to save the person even though he didn\'t know how to accomplish that. And so it comes down to this: should you consider an unplanned action thought up in a moment (even though other safer actions are present), however [[HonorBeforeReason noble or in-character it is]], some kind of a case of picking up the IdiotBall? In this case, it\'s purely for the sake of the plot, as without her dying, Ruby wouldn\'t have activated her secret power, Cinder would\'ve won and everybody would\'ve died, all that.
Just explain the definition of IdiotBall to me, and why what Pyrrha did isn\'t considered as such, and I\'ll end the discussion.
