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XanderH Since: Dec, 2019
26th Jan, 2020 06:50:55 AM

-also the ending of Hickman's Secret wars, when Doom admits that Reed could have done a better job than him saving the world.

The trope seems to go hand in hand with increased vulnerability of the characters.

4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018
26th Jan, 2020 07:06:07 AM

The Reveal, Wham Line

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XanderH Since: Dec, 2019
26th Jan, 2020 08:58:39 AM

No because the Wham line or the reveal rely on the audience having no idea about the information. In mine, it's pivotal that the audience already knows for it to be satisfying.

4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018
26th Jan, 2020 12:36:54 PM

^ "Knows" in what way? The Unreveal? Internal Reveal?

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XanderH Since: Dec, 2019
26th Jan, 2020 10:21:14 PM

As I showed in my examples, these are not reveals per say. It's just the audience who gets to here something that was implicit during the whole story finally be said explicitly, which creates satisfaction and catharsis. In the World's end, we know Gary king is broken, but at the end we finally get to hear him say it explicitly in tears. In breaking bad, we know Walter White cooks meth because he has a gigantic ego and never did anything great in his life, but during the whole show he tells his wife otherwise (even though she sees through him), but in the finale we finally get to hear HIM say it, but nothing is actually revealed, just explicitly said. In secret wars, everyone knows Doom's world is a failure, even Doom, and that Reed, being the hero and the smartest man on earth, could do better, and in the end we hear both of them admit to this in a extremely tense and emotional scene.

There is no reveal. It's like telling someone that you love them when they already know it (or having having them tell you, when you already know it) : nobody's learning anything, but it's extremely satisfying and cathartic.

Edited by XanderH
4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018
27th Jan, 2020 12:24:09 AM

That'd be Foreshadowing's payoff

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XanderH Since: Dec, 2019
27th Jan, 2020 02:43:22 AM

Not really, because again, there is no revelation, just making explicit what was implicit. Forshadowing is a clue for what will come. Mine there isn't any clue, just a character and the way he is and acts.

It is neither a revelation nor a surprise!

Edited by XanderH
4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018
27th Jan, 2020 03:03:15 AM

Good news for you: "Confirming" is itself a form of revelation. And we use Foreshadowing for that case.

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